Ishita Bhalla: nothing to lose.

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Ishita has nothing to lose. Because in her eyes, everything is already lost.

People forget how fiercely possessive about Raman Ishita is, because her innate jagatmaata-ness. It's this self sacrificing nature that makes her feel like she's worth something, after the world has told her she is of very little worth. So she goes out of her way to feel needed. Like people, especially Raman and her in laws, can't just dispose of her the way subbu did.

This sometimes overshadows this powerful jealousy she has about Shagun. It's very human, and we have seen her slightly retaliate when she's threatened. When Raman opts for surrogacy, and there is this glass wall between them, at Ruhi's school function she openly claims him. And then, when nidhi is all over him, we see this come to the fore.

But especially when it comes to Shagun. Shagun makes her question whether Raman even finds her attractive, and it's this that eventually leads her to act very unlike her and try to, for all intents and purposes, seduce Raman.

So Ishita is possessive. She loves Raman. But this possessiveness stems from the strength she has, well at the moment, had, as his wife.

But Raman, in her and the world eyes has given this position to another. It's been taken away and given to Shagun. Ishita fought for her right as his wife; and she still thinks of him as her husband. This is made very clear when mani questions her about her comfort level with Raman. This is important. She thinks of him as her husband. However,She thinks he doesn't think of her as his wife.

So these two idiots yet again have this wall between them. He thinks she left him, and moved on. She thinks he doesn't think of her as his wife.

Normal people would air these issues out. Couples shout, scream, make up. But Raman and Ishita don't. And I think it's because they are terrified of the answers they might get.
So this wall will remain.

And because this wall will stay erect, Shagun will do what she is best at. Exploiting other people's weaknesses. Mainly Ishita. Ishita, as Shagun herself was the one to recognise, is too good for her own good. So she'll play the very cards that will pierce Ishita's own heart. This whole very weak parallel of Shagun-pihu to the far superior ishita- Ruhi, is meant to play on that.

So As Ishita tries to get through to Ruhi, she will battle her feelings for Ramsn, the urge to mother pihu as well as Ruhi, and Shagun.

And if most people were in Ishita's situation, they would think, why the hell am I here? Yes, Ruhi is the most important. Of course. But I've seen many comments about Ishita and her self respect, at the idea of forgiving Ramsn, or moving in. But here is my point. Ishita has always had her self respect compromised. Even before we saw the story unfold. She has been made to feel worthless over her barrenness her whole adult life. And she doesn't really retaliate. It's always been Ruhi or Raman that question it. And now they aren't even by her side. Ishita has lost everything she drew strength from.

That is not to say women, just because they feel unworthy, should take this kind of disrespect. What I am saying is that whilst people find outrage in this, I think Ishita has become so used to it now, it's a norm.

And the sad truth of the matter is, that yes, whilst she's a modern day, working woman, she's also an Asian woman. And we are built with a sort of upbringing that conditions us to compromise at every turn. I have recognised that in my very own upbringing. It's a shared quandary between my Pakistani friends here in the UK. There is this pull to strive towards freedom of speech and free will, but then we are taught, even here in the UK within our family homes still, to hold our tongues, even when we should question things.


Ishita Bhalla lost everything the day she lost Ruhi. Raman told her to leave. And upon her return she sees the love of her life propose to the very woman that has always made Ishita feel inferior. And Raman and Ishita are so clouded by misunderstandings and insecurity, and pain they don't even recognise each other any more. But Shagun does. She recognises Ishita is the one wanted by everybody, but that Ishita has always felt insecure and down trodden she can't recognise this herself. So Shagun arora, master manipulator will take advantage of the fact that Ishita has nothing. Not even her own blood knows that her 'haar wali aunty' is her mother.

These misunderstandings are going to be exploited by her. But what strikes me is this. As my post's title says, Ishita has nothing, nothing in her eyes. Yet Shagun's the one filled with insecurity right now.


And here is the difference between the two. Well there are many, but the one I'm drawing on. Shagun took everything she once had for granted, and is now striving to get it back. Ishita however, never truly believed her own luck when she finally got a small slice of happiness. It's like she had to constantly pinch herself to make sure she wasn't dreaming. And it's these innate feelings that are making Ishita just accept things, whilst shagun's increasing insecurity is seeing her slowly return to her old ways.

Ishita, she has nothing to lose now. But she still can't believe she ever had in the first place.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I couldn't access your VM. It made me sad

Lovely profile pic though 😆
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Ur posts always bring a smile on my face coz it has a unbiased analysis of both the characters for on the forum I mostly see biased opinions for the love of the character or actor in particular.

As a ishra/divan lover whof loves both the characters and actors equally it get tough at times and a number of times I have stayed back from mentioning what I felt bcoz it's somewhere lost in the ishita v/s raman war.I feel Your posts are safe place to quote what u feel as a ishra lover😆

Ok so my two cents about ur post goes -

Deep down she knows raman loves her courtesy the lift confrontation and what followed it but but the words uttered by raman repeatedly after that and his declaraction of marriage to shagun then calling her the "asli maa" and then the wedding have all just made her belief stronger that raman clearly doesnt want her back or continues to see her as his wife.
For raman is the most unpredictable or rather impulsive character who does stuff without thinking or thinks after doing it


If I were in ishita's place I would never go back to this kind of a man for anything but then that's what ishra as a couple is all about😆kuch bhi ho jaaye they will forgive and forget each other and move on and the same holds good with us ..


.just one good ishra scene and we forget everything from ishita's unnecessary jagatmaata avataar to raman 's jaanvar avatar.

No matter how good or bad shagun or mani or whoever it is all that ishita wants is raman and vice versa and that's what the audience want to.


Edited by sarsyed - 9 years ago
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Hey Zoya a wonderful post again and I like the title a lot...I have a weird fascination with titles so when a post has a lovely title that gives the idea of the content in a nutsehell I am impressed, its a little OCD thing ☺️😆

I agree with you here that Ishita has nothing to lose - because in her mind she believes she has already lost. She has lost the chance to be a mother to the girl who is the child of her heart, the little girl who doesn't even know she is her own flesh and blood. But most of all she has lost the acceptance for who she is and was from the man who is the love of her life, the one person she thought loved her regardless of her shortcomings and who was her shield against the world.

She has believed rather strongly the words thrown at her. Because not only did she lose her child, but she involuntarily became the reason a man who is a good friend of her lost seven precious years of his life to immobility being stuck in a paralytic state. Those years not only cost him his health and f his life was confined to a bed but also incurred him losses in business due to his unavailability to look after things himself.

She has taken it to her heart that she is a bad omen, does damage people around her, and so has lost the will to fight for herself but...I disagree that she has lost her self-respect. Had that been the case she would have done exactly what incited Raman in the first place to propose to Shagun. She would have begged and pleaded with him to take her back, sobbed her heart out to give him explanations and justifications for her actions all those years back and not stayed stoic, the one thing that has angered him the most.

It is IMO her self-respect which doesn't allow her to beg Raman, as it is beneath the dignity of any woman to beg a man, any man least of all her husband to beg him to love her because that is simply too mortifying a prospect to even think about least of all do it.

It was guilt that made her walk away from Raman emerged of his accusations thrown at her, guilt at wronging a good man and two children dependent on him, as his family that made her stay with Mani and his family to look after them and it is once again guilt IMO that is spurring her return to Bhalla house. The guilt of being unable to protect Ruhi all those years back - she cannot change the past nor can she give Ruhi back those years of childhood but the least she can do is now make sure Ruhi is back where she belongs - in the safety of her home and family and to her father.

Her guilt is navigating her.

It is that guilt once again which is making her underestimate her importance to not only the rest of the family but also Ruhi and Raman. Her vision is clouded by that guilt which has been festering for seven years and finally she has a chance at breaking those shackles and chains she has carried for far too long. Which is why she is unable to see with her clouded vision what she means to the two people most important in the world to her - but it isn't unnoticed by the one woman who you call the master manipulator - Shagun.

Nothing is going unnoticed by her - Raman and his reactions to Ishita or th effect she has on the family even now as well as the boy she bore and Pihu as well...

She is noticing everything and as you said she is the one filled with insecurity as she lost everything that she once took for granted, even in the precap last night her words are all of this is mine...

It reminds me of a scene from the early days of the show when Ishita and Shagun have this showoff in a spa where they bump into each other. Shagun says a lot of things to Ishita then one of which is she is living off on her hand me downs - her rejects and discards - she is nothing more than a nanny to Ruhi, Raman has procured and Ishita should be thankful to her for leaving behind everything that she did, else Ishita wouldn't have had anything today.

Ishita agrees with the assessment and says that she has got what Shagun chose to discard in her ambitions but nothing would make her leave what she left...

Ironically, Ishita left...but she didn't leave too - she wasn't present these past seven years in the Bhalla house, in Raman' life but her presence was felt everywhere...

It was in the way the home became a house as brothers quarreled and parted. A son became aloof from his parents and even from the rest of the family. A father distanced himself from his son, even in the person that Adi, Shagun' own flesh and blood became who he is now. It was felt through Pihu, the one person who Shagun is using to her advantage, not realizing that the reason Raman hasn't been able to detach himself from Pihu when he could do so from everyone else was that she was part Ishita.

So yes while technically Ishita left, she didn't really leave...

What she managed to do in those two years with Raman and the family left so strong a mark that Shagun couldn't manage to undo in the seven years she toiled and became exactly what she labeled Ishita as once - an aaya, a nanny to her daughter Pihu.

Isn't it something Shagun stayed with Raman for 6 years ,their divorce case lasted another 6 and now she has been again living at his mercy sort of since the past 7 years - 19 years to be precise. Almost 2 decades of her life and here is a woman who has spent exactly a fraction - 1/10th of the period to be precise with those very people and that man and Shagun has been literally trying to ape her in these seven years but has managed to get nowhere.

Now that Ishita is back, slowly she is managing to get under Raman' skin right in front of Shagun, as she watches with horror...her carefully laid plans going to waste.

What is interesting here is while Shagun overestimates herself and understands how exactly Ishita and Raman are underestimating each other and themselves or their love involuntarily she would create situations that would help curb the distance that has yawned between the couple. She might also use in this maneuver the one man who interestingly enough deemed perfect by Raman for Ishita himself, the one man who makes him insecure. - Mani - only to eliminate the biggest hurdle that is stopping Raman in accepting his feelings. Shagun might try to taint and tarnish Ishita' reputation when she gets desperate enough as she finds herself failing and might end up getting the biggest loss she never saw coming her way.

And as these thirty days end, Ishita Bhalla would reemerge as would Shagun Arora.

Edited by QueSeraSera - 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Zoyamalik2005


I couldn't access your VM. It made me sad

Lovely profile pic though😆



Thank you!

Zoya I've put it on Google Drive please try now... I'd love for you to watch it 😊
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Originally posted by: sarsyed

Ur posts always bring a smile on my face coz it has a unbiased analysis of both the characters for on the forum I mostly see biased opinions for the love of the character or actor in particular.

As a ishra/divan lover whof loves both the characters and actors equally it get tough at times and a number of times I have stayed back from mentioning what I felt bcoz it's somewhere lost in the ishita v/s raman war.I feel Your posts are safe place to quote what u feel as a ishra lover😆

Ok so my two cents about ur post goes -

Deep down she knows raman loves her courtesy the lift confrontation and what followed it but but the words uttered by raman repeatedly after that and his declaraction of marriage to shagun then calling her the "asli maa" and then the wedding have all just made her belief stronger that raman clearly doesnt want her back or continues to see her as his wife.
If I were in ishita's place I would never go back to this kind of a man for anything but then that's what ishra as a couple is all about😆kuch bhi ho jaaye they wI'll forgive and forget each other and move on and the same holds good with us ...just one good ishra scene and we forget everything from ishita's unnecessary jagatmaata avataar to raman 's jaanvar avatar.


I cannot be bothered with Raman versus Ishita, they're both idiots 😆

The scene where Ramsn is drunk, we see his pain, how utterly shattered he is. And we see that very pain then reflected in Ishita's eyes. But Raman and Ishita are their very own worst enemies. They get in their own way of happiness. They'll hurt even more with Shagun and mani both hovering...but I'm hoping we get some angst scenes then. 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Lovely post & I have little more to add about Ishita bc you did a great job...

What's sad though is that due to her insecurities and IshRa's inability to talk - Ishita is planning leave her 3 children again. While it's understandable like Raman in guilt track was, is it the need of the hour? Raman was mocked by viewers for not opening his mouth & chased down by Ishita. What will the case be for Ishita to stay back?

Is this to say a person should compromise their self worth for their kids? No but what guarantee does Ishita have that when she leaves Raman won't go back to slapping Adi & being the angry janwar he was before?

This entire scenario is uncomfortable to me bc what about the kids. Where do you draw the line between being an individual and being a parent?
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Originally posted by: -K.13-

Lovely post & I have little more to add about Ishita bc you did a great job...

What's sad though is that due to her insecurities and IshRa's inability to talk - Ishita is planning leave her 3 children again. While it's understandable like Raman in guilt track was, is it the need of the hour? Raman was mocked by viewers for not opening his mouth & chased down by Ishita. What will the case be for Ishita to stay back?

Is this to say a person should compromise their self worth for their kids? No but what guarantee does Ishita have that when she leaves Raman won't go back to slapping Adi & being the angry janwar he was before?

This entire scenario is uncomfortable to me bc what about the kids. Where do you draw the line between being an individual and being a parent?


I think she thinks once Ruhi comes back this will suddenly remedy Raman. As if his anger is an illness. She thinks she's responsible. and yes, what about the kids? But at the moment, Ruhi hates her, and pihu doesn't know who she is.

I wish she paid more attention to Adi. The sweetheart definitely deserves it. Definitely
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I really felt bad for Ishu..to be honest I wonder how she is fighting for her daughter coz she lost herself totally..I remember during vandu baby shower she told Raman when you and Ruhi are with me..I get the confidence to face the world..she doesn't have her dear ones support now..she is at least not clarified by Raman that he understands her..at this point of time I lost my respect for Raman..why did he went to Shagun to take care of Pihu..his mom,his sister,amma,vandu are there to take care..does he not have responsibility to seek forgiveness from Ishu mom when he presumed that she is dead..i still don't understand what logic he is convinced that he never told to Pihu about Ishu..I understand out of heat he uttered that horrible words..with in these 7 years didn't he ever felt Ishu is not at fault and tried to do something for her..why did he allowed things to happen when Shagun breaks marriage with Manoj..is he also indirectly expecting her to be in his life Pihu ke liye..I understand he don't love Shagun but does he think Shagun has right to become mom..let's leave all of it now..like how nicely Ishu clarified Mani that Ishu can never love Mani and she always give that place to Raman..why can't Raman atleast clarify Shagun and show her right place...I so wish gradually all of my answers would be provided
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Originally posted by: Divya5377

I really felt bad for Ishu..to be honest I wonder how she is fighting for her daughter coz she lost herself totally..I remember during vandu baby shower she told Raman when you and Ruhi are with me..I get the confidence to face the world..she doesn't have her dear ones support now..she is at least not clarified by Raman that he understands her..at this point of time I lost my respect for Raman..why did he went to Shagun to take care of Pihu..his mom,his sister,amma,vandu are there to take care..does he not have responsibility to seek forgiveness from Ishu mom when he presumed that she is dead..i still don't understand what logic he is convinced that he never told to Pihu about Ishu..I understand out of heat he uttered that horrible words..with in these 7 years didn't he ever felt Ishu is not at fault and tried to do something for her..why did he allowed things to happen when Shagun breaks marriage with Manoj..is he also indirectly expecting her to be in his life Pihu ke liye..I understand he don't love Shagun but does he think Shagun has right to become mom..let's leave all of it now..like how nicely Ishu clarified Mani that Ishu can never love Mani and she always give that place to Raman..why can't Raman atleast clarify Shagun and show her right place...I so wish gradually all of my answers would be provided


I think they aren't showing how Raman feels YET. Because this way it will make for some major angst and intensity in the future.

This is probably my wishful thinking though.😆
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I think we are all yearning for Raman's point of view, but the cvs are smoking something the rest of us aren't. 😆

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