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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: amritat



Agreed...I guess Bhima's unconditional love for Draupadi made him lose control...If Duryodhan had given back the land, then none of Draupadi's yelling, cursing and shouting would have been able to cause the war.

About the last part...I have heard some people blaming Subhadra for Abhimanyu's death...
Even a pure and innocent character like Subhadra is not spared... 😭 I dont think Subhadra's falling asleep had anything to do with it...Could the mentors not teach Abhimanyu to come out of Chakravyuh AFTER he was born? 😭
I somehow cannot accept all these theories that some deeds done in innocence can cause something so bad..


On a personal note...Could u tell me exactly why you are never a fan of Draupadi?
This is not any kind of personal attack... 😊
I was just analyzing her character n trying to understand y so many people dont like her...though I find nothing SO bad in her, despite her flaws. U may answer me in PM...in details.
I dont want to turn this thread into another Draupadi discussion thread... 😊



Neither i believe subhadra's sleeping was enough reason for abhimanyu having half knowledge. Krishna had hell lot of a time to teach abhimanyu this. And as i mentioned some people like to describe subhadra as a stupid and foolish girl. But honestly in mature pregnancy feeling dizzy is normal and even if she fell asleep in middle it was not anything to blame. At night time with full matured pregnancy who can have stamina to listen a prolong war strategy?
If anyone to be blamed for Abhi's half knowledge it would be krishna for not teaching this to abhi.

And no why should i think a normal question of your will be a personal attack? But thing it being not fond and being hater is different. No i am NOT a hater of draupadi. Yes i hate vampadi to the core. Boss draupadi of starbharat or that stupid animated film or of some novels had and will always invoke nasty side of me. I cant help it when anyone believes that being unnecessarily arrogant rude and disrespectful shows strength of a character. And some ppl admires this thought. That makes me insane. Yes being carried away is always wrong but when vampadi worship being carried away by showmakers authors or fandom then cant help my hatred get carried away too.

About Epic Draupadi no i dont hate her for any reason. But i dont find hher traits to impress me. Yes she had a lot of quality. She knew how to make all her husbands happy also she had served her elders and people around her with due respect. She was dutiful both as queen and as wife. She had all qualities ppl of that time wanted to find in a princess wife. The thing is that didnt make her extraordinary. Queen and wife of that time had to be like her. Yes she had made five husbands happy so that can be cound her good traits.
What made her different was her straightforwardness. That was not found in others of saying what feeling. But the thing is she had to accept others decision always about herself even after such quality.
Her flaw was she never had forgotten she is royal princess and queen and she had always loved to be like that. Her pride and ego made her vulnerable many times.

Having said that these are no reason to hate her. For me she was a normal woman with some extraordinary qualities. But these are no trait to impress me. I wld hv impressed if she somehow could ask for justice against pandavs too. Since they were no less responsible for her torment in ds specially yudi and to some extent arjun too (for considering this incident will help them garnering fame and also for stopping bheem and defending yudi) but she forgave them. What i feel she was never against the belief that wife and daughter is property of husband and father. Hence drupad made her a trophy in swayamvar. (her rejection too for just her family reputation had karna been known as kshatriya she wldnt hv rejected him. whether interpolation or not thats fact) so i think she was very used to being admired and protected as princess and queen and very conscious of her respected royal blood. So she had not shown courage to challenge any norms that will shake her position. That is very normal. But these are things not to impress me.
Uloopi in this case take my respect by challenging her widowhood and getting what she wants by taking her love by magic. Hidimba too did almost same. Kunti no matter how much i hate her had shown courage to take decisions. No i am not comparing draupadi with anyone. All i want to say she was a woman with those qualities which are admirable otherwise but dont impress me.
I have sympathy for her misfortune. Yes she had been molested repeated time than any other women. Suffered quite a lot. But i feel for her as many other women who bore misfortunee including Sita. This doesnt make her special for me.
Phew sorry i didnt pm you. My phone is stupid. But if you want we can discuss in pm too
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Patrarekha

Reported last comment there was absolute no reason to bring subhadra and chitrangada fans . They are anyway minority. Otherwise on other hand it can be said also how ardi fans project subhadra as selfish or stupid girl. Her love is one sided. In show and some so called novel its shown too to pave way for ardi. And about chitrangada its held as political alliance by ardi fans when that was absolute wrong. So when draupadi herself was not responsible for other wives not getting more importance. There can be people who feel for other wives. And obviously they wont be fond of draupadi.
Same reason applied for karna fans. Be it interpolation or having reasons rejecting a warrior basis of caste is a big insult under any circumstances. Earlier it had been discussed how it could be avoided by drupad and dhristadyumna by making rule for kshatriya and brahmin to be only contestants. But anyway that not happened so its very normal karna fans will blame her for that.
Why is not karna hated for insulting her? When there was also debate that what exactly karna said?
And not everyone likes ardi. MB is not about only ardi. But that doesnt mean ardi lovers are stopped showing their love.
So ii think every people have like and dislike of own. Have reason to like or dislike someone. So it was not needed to bring fans here.
Like amrita pointed out some reason why people hate her without bringing fans here too fans could have been avoided from mocking and taunting. Coz other side too have lot to say.



Jhum...Personally I dont feel that if one likes Chitrangada, Subhadra and Uloopi, one has to hate Draupadi n vice-versa.
All these are wonderful characters and they all have their own importance.
People say how Uloopi was never Arjun's wife...but it was she who had loved n waited for years, sent her son Iravan to war...n even saved Arjun's life. So, yes...she is important...though she is a minor character.

So, I really cant understand this not being fond of Draupadi or Ardi bcoz of other wives...I am a die-hard Draupadi n Ardi fan but I also like ArSU...n I can writes pages n pages on Uloopi's tragic love for Arjun...i dont know y but I really feel bad for Uloopi.
So, I think it's pointless being so biased against a married couple...
I find absolutely NOTHING that is to be hated in Ardi, ArSu or any married pairs...
I oppose only one pair n bcoz they were not married...all others are fine.


As for Draupadi...well...if someone knows that the 'Sutaputra' comment is probably an interpolation, then that should lessen the hatred for Draupadi, isn't it?
My disliking for Karna lessened when I got to know that his words at Dyut Sabha are probably interpolations...
So, even if some hatred is obvious...it can be changed with facts... 😊
I feel people should be open to changing opinions about characters n pairs, with disclosure of facts and not hold on to their age-old hatred that they once had for a character or pair in school or college... 😊

Sorry for all the gyaan... 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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No no what you said is right and not a gyan. During karna vs arjun debate i constantly tried to make people understand that to love one its not needed to hate another. Since even i am predominantly Arjunian i adore Karna very much. My bad still ppl hv hard to digest i love either of them really as i love them both.
So i absolutely agree loving draupadi and loving other wives both are not needed by hating others.
To be very honest before starbharat came i had absolutely no problem with ardi. That was a sweet and painful distant love story for me mostly from draupadi side. Even being a parav and archi lover mostly i loved arsu arpi ardi bheedi (not yudi i hated yudi always) and any other pair.
Its starbharat their over glorification and well yes more importantly fandom that affected me. But as i said before being not fond or being hater is different. So when i see other wives are ignored in this fiasco i start reading understanding and promoting them and hence that time i found myself not much fond of either epic drau or epic ardi. But still i dont hate them. So i am saying not to bring fandom in discussion coz in both way fandoms affect each others opinion.

About karna thing yes the way sutputra can be interpolation unchaste can be interpolation too. So what am saying that these two things are main reason for fans to hate each others fav. So what i said not to bring fandom coz lot ppl dont know its interpolation so both side bash these two characters based on it. So reasons are on both side. So better not to bring either fandom.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ok then if sharing your experiences gets you reported then I guess I'm never gonna comment on I-F in my life again...so sorry for the trouble I've created here but for the last time I want to clear out something that yes I did started talking about Subhadra and Chitrangada fans here but I never abused them or said anything disrespecting to them. All that I said was because of someone actually said me that I was once talking with a person who said that "I hate draupadi because she was very unlucky to Arjuna,Subhadra gave him happiness and also fame by giving birth to Abhimanyu but still that draupadi always gets more attention" I was talking about this mentality I never meant to Insult any fan group and I wasn't even talking about any one from IF here...I'm sorry I wanted to share my experience with another draupadi fan that I just wanted her to know this type of mentality which some people have. Anyways I'm not gonna comment again.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I am sorry for hurting you. My only intention was stopping mention of any fan group . As i-f rule too I there that particular fan group should not be dragged unnecessarily coz bitter experience are on both side. So one comment tickles another. So anyway I wont want you to leave so sorry
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Patrarekha

I am sorry for hurting you. My only intention was stopping mention of any fan group . As i-f rule too I there that particular fan group should not be dragged unnecessarily coz bitter experience are on both side. So one comment tickles another. So anyway I wont want you to leave so sorry


It's ok :) and i'm sorry too i'll be careful from next time and make sure that I don't drag any fangroup in my post

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