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Posted: 10 years ago

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even though female stardom is hard to achieve in here, but i still feel the same thing applies for males too.. there is a reason why there is still not a male superstar after Hrithik, there is a reason why Khans are still worshipped at their 50s and there is also a reason why sridevi still manages a hit where as kareena plays a flowerpot to earn a hit.

just like males, even females need to prove that they are worth of being called superstars otherwise we get to read jokes like Aishwarya is a superstar , when she definitely is not. i agree she has done versatile work but superstardom is something that reflects in both personna and in box office numbers too, which Ash definitely lacks but Sridevi had ruled in.

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Also, I have been so caught up in giving credit to actresses in the 80s-90s, that I forgot about legendary actresses before that. It's hard because I grew up in the 90s so I watched Madhuri the most. But classic actresses like Nargis and Madhubala deserve a mention. They were both strong female leads of their time. I loved Nargis' performance in Mother India. And Madhubala - she's been called the Marilyn Monroe of India. She was beautiful and successful, and also caught the attention of Hollywood which was rare in those days. I would consider her a superstar. Here's an interesting fact about Madhubala:

In the early 1950s, as Madhubala became one of the most sought-after actresses in India, she attracted interest from Hollywood. She appeared in the American magazine Theatre Arts where, in its August 1952 issue, she was featured in an article with a full page photograph under the title: "The Biggest Star in the World - and she's not in Beverly Hills". The article described Madhubala's immense popularity in India, and explored her wide appeal and large fan base. It also speculated on her potential international success.^[12] Academy Award winner American director Frank Capra, while visiting Bombay for International Film Festival of India, was keen to give her a break in Hollywood, but her father Ataullah Khan declined.^[14]

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harun98

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Posted: 10 years ago

#63

Originally posted by: lhcj21

When we think of BW superstars, we think of the Khans, Hrithik Roshan, Amitabh Bachchan or Rajesh Khanna.

The movie Aradhana catapulted Rajesh Khanna into superstardom and he was named India's first superstar. But it didn't have the same affect on Sharmila Tagore, even though she was a well-established actress.

Kaho Na Pyar Hai made Hrithik Roshan an overnight sensation. But Ameesha didn't get the same mass fan following.

Do men achieve superstardom status easier than women? I can't think of many actresses who have the same mass appeal as these men. Is it harder for actresses?

Please share your thoughts.

You could say the same for akshay, and actor who could look pretty as well as had martial arts fighting skills and could do a little bit grooving on the floor.

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QueenExpression

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Actresses have many times stolen the show from the actors. But the problem is if their acting apposite the khans, the successs of the film is credited more to the actor and not the actress. And there's a valid reason because like someone said..none of the actresses of today enjoy the kind of fan fan following the Khans or any top male actors have. I use to wonder why and many made great points here it's because most films are centered around the hero/actor.

Katrina might be a terrible actress. But let's not deny the girl has a huge fan following and carried films like New York and MBKD on her own shoulders and made them successful. Honestly, she was the hero in MBKD not Imran. If any actress can be called a superstar it's Katrina Kaif. The fact that she's a bad actress is another story. Because to me acting alone doesn't make you a superstar. Because if that was the case Tabu would be considered a superstar. And someone mentioned that superstardom is based on boxoffice..and Katrina proved her boxoffice pull time and time again. She has the least amount of flops among the top actresses.

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lhcj21

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: QueenExpression
Actresses have many times stolen the show from the actors. But the problem is if their acting apposite the khans, the successs of the film is credited more to the actor and not the actress. And there's a valid reason because like someone said..none of the actresses of today enjoy the kind of fan fan following the Khans or any top male actors have. I use to wonder why and many made great points here it's because most films are centered around the hero/actor.
Katrina might be a terrible actress. But let's not deny the girl has a huge fan following and carried films like New York and MBKD on her own shoulders and made them successful. Honestly, she was the hero in MBKD not Imran. If any actress can be called a superstar it's Katrina Kaif. The fact that she's a bad actress is another story. Because to me acting alone doesn't make you a superstar. Because if that was the case Tabu would be considered a superstar. And someone mentioned that superstardom is based on boxoffice..and Katrina proved her boxoffice pull time and time again. She has the least amount of flops among the top actresses.

"Actresses have many times stolen the show from the actors. But the problem is if their acting apposite the khans, the successs of the film is credited more to the actor and not the actress."

-Actually, this would apply around the early 2000s onward. If you go back to the 90s, Madhuri won an award for Dil, but Aamir didn't. Juhi Chawla also took the credit for Hum Hain Rahi Pyar Ke. And I mentioned earlier that Mahima Choudhury outshined Shahrukh Khan in Pardes. But I guess that was before the Khans reached their superstardom status.

*ADDED*: I wonder what would happen if you pair the 90s actresses with the Khans again (yeah I know Kajol is coming back). But if you pair them with Madhuri or Juhi, I'm sure they would take some of the focus away from the Khans!

And yes I was thinking the same thing about Tabu!! Sometimes I wondered why she's not recognized enough. I guess being hot and sexy and a good dancer are other important factors! A female superstar needs to have it all!

I guess you can consider Katrina according to todays standards. It is true that standards change over time. Like you cannot compare Katrina or Deepika with Sridevi or even Aishwarya is not on the same level as Madhuri or Sridevi. But each has their own standard.

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pallavi25

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Meena Kumari and Madhubala practically OWNED the 50s!

Meena Kumari did female centric movies, people flocked to see the great tragedienne in her melodramatic roles!

Men were crazy for Madhubala's beauty! Many of her movies got repeat audiences who went mainly to see her ethereal beauty!

Nutan was a GREAT actress, she won maximum number of Filmfare awards, she did many female centric movies like Bandini, Sujata, which got critical acclaim plus bo success!

Nargis did female centric movies like Mother India, Raat aur Din, which were hugely successful! Mother India is in ATBB list of all times!

These actresses were the real superstars of those times!

Later on in the 60s, Sadhna had a huge male following who were crazy for her beauty.

Sharmila, Nanda, Asha Parekh, Mumtaz, all of these heroines had male and female fans galore! Most of their movies were BO successes as well!

Throughout the history of Indian cinema there have been male as well as female superstars. Whoever is denying that is either uninformed abt past heroines or just being chauvinistic for the heck of it!

Unfortunately, nowadays people are fixated on the Khans and the male superstars so they refuse to give credit to the lead actresses for success of any movie.

Its like saying the movie would be a hit no matter who the heroine was, just because a Khan was in it!🥱

I guess people are becoming more chauvinistic with time! Nowadays there are male as well as female misogynists, which is really quite surprising and unfortunate!

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lhcj21

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: pallavi25

Meena Kumari and Madhubala practically OWNED the 50s!

Meena Kumari did female centric movies, people flocked to see the great tragedienne in her melodramatic roles!
Men were crazy for Madhubala's beauty! Many of her movies got repeat audiences who went mainly to see her ethereal beauty!

Nutan was a GREAT actress, she won maximum number of Filmfare awards, she did many female centric movies like Bandini, Sujata, which got critical acclaim plus bo success!

Nargis did female centric movies like Mother India, Raat aur Din, which were hugely successful! Mother India is in ATBB list of all times!
These actresses were the real superstars of those times!

Later on in the 60s, Sadhna had a huge male following who were crazy for her beauty.

Sharmila, Nanda, Asha Parekh, Mumtaz, all of these heroines had male and female fans galore! Most of their movies were BO successes as well!

Throughout the history of Indian cinema there have been male as well as female superstars. Whoever is denying that is either uninformed abt past heroines or just being chauvinistic for the heck of it!

Unfortunately, nowadays people are fixated on the Khans and the male superstars so they refuse to give credit to the lead actresses for success of any movie.
Its like saying the movie would be a hit no matter who the heroine was, just because a Khan was in it!🥱

I guess people are becoming more chauvinistic with time! Nowadays there are male as well as female misogynists, which is really quite surprising and unfortunate!

You're right. Past actresses did some pretty strong work, but were not given enough credit for because of the male-dominant mentality. Can you believe that as successful and well-loved as Madhubala was, Dilip Kumar asked her to give up her career if she married him?? Same thing with Shammi Kapoor. He once proposed to Mumtaz but asked her to give up her career as well. Good thing she refused!!

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pallavi25

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: lhcj21

You're right. Past actresses did some pretty strong work, but were not given enough credit for because of the male-dominant mentality. Can you believe that as successful and well-loved as Madhubala was, Dilip Kumar asked her to give up her career if she married him?? Same thing with Shammi Kapoor. He once proposed to Mumtaz but asked her to give up her career as well. Good thing she refused!!

Fact is THEY didnt give up their careers for their insecure BF actors and they DID get credit for their successes! That was the point of my post!

Female stars of yesteryear DID get credit for their hits! They did get major awards even for movies where their male leads didnt get any.

People went to watch movies for their sake as well as for the heros.

Society has become even more male dominated now, even more chauvinistic, at least in terms of BW movies!

Current male viewers are fans of male stars, mainly Khans, and they only follow female stars for their skin show and glamor!

That wasnt the case in old days, female stars also had their massive fan following and were loved for their beauty as well as acting skills.

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lhcj21

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: pallavi25

Fact is THEY didnt give up their careers for their insecure BF actors and they DID get credit for their successes! That was the point of my post!
Female stars of yesteryear DID get credit for their hits! They did get major awards even for movies where their male leads didnt get any.
People went to watch movies for their sake as well as for the heros.

Society has become even more male dominated now, even more chauvinistic, at least in terms of BW movies!
Current male viewers are fans of male stars, mainly Khans, and they only follow female stars for their skin show and glamor!
That wasnt the case in old days, female stars also had their massive fan following and were loved for their beauty as well as acting skills.

Oh sorry, I misunderstood! Plus, they had more good meaningful roles for actresses back then too. One of the reasons why I wish certain elements of classic Bollywood would come back. But filmmakers want to make money. The more Bollywood is expanding universally, the more skin show there is in movies. Like I've said earlier, it's hard for actresses to get people to focus on their acting because of all these sleazy item songs and showing their bodies. I wish we could have actresses do meaningful roles again without showing skin. But Bollywood also needs to allow that and give actresses a chance.

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