Female Superstardom - Page 5

Originally posted by: atominis

I see men being bashed all the time and their personal lives being discussed more than films.

Doing just good work in own space is not enough.

You have to be equally relevant. Like LeadNitrate mentioned Devika Rani and her clout.

I find women are kicked out more easily these days. Earlier, a Sridevi could say openly that an AB film doesn't have much for heroines to do yet still get offers opposite him. A Nutan didn't work with Dilip Kumar all her life but still she was successful. These days, girls assert themselves even once, and they are OUT or forced to change their stance/statement. These days even seniors have no guts. Meena Kumari had blasted Anand and said Rajesh Khanna was too chubby and healthy to pass off as a dying cancer patient. Does any senior actress have such guts now? Maybe Jaya has but she is bashed like anything and it is ensured that she doesn't even get mummy roles anymore.

It is bad how either criteria for female stardom is relaxed besides, increasingly regressive attitude towards them both in industry and otherwise.

phir bhi

the minute someone says that an actress is good enough to be a contender to the Khans, people spit out foam in disgust and say all sorts of shit about the woman.

I think people are TONS more territorial about male celebrities

its because heriones do flower pot roles which dont give them recognition in most of the movies and movie runs on hero shoulders...so the superstardom credit going to hero is just fine IMO..

Originally posted by: atominis

I see men being bashed all the time and their personal lives being discussed more than films.

Doing just good work in own space is not enough.

You have to be equally relevant. Like LeadNitrate mentioned Devika Rani and her clout.

I find women are kicked out more easily these days. Earlier, a Sridevi could say openly that an AB film doesn't have much for heroines to do yet still get offers opposite him. A Nutan didn't work with Dilip Kumar all her life but still she was successful. These days, girls assert themselves even once, and they are OUT or forced to change their stance/statement. These days even seniors have no guts. Meena Kumari had blasted Anand and said Rajesh Khanna was too chubby and healthy to pass off as a dying cancer patient. Does any senior actress have such guts now? Maybe Jaya has but she is bashed like anything and it is ensured that she doesn't even get mummy roles anymore.

It is bad how either criteria for female stardom is relaxed besides, increasingly regressive attitude towards them both in industry and otherwise.

Originally posted by: Chippeshwini

I simply think people don't enjoy women getting the better share of attention 😆

Look at the current lot! Deepika does amazing work, but people will only remember her for her cleavage shit.

Kangana is an amazing actress, but people will only remember her for her attitude.

Vidya is an amazing actress, but people will only look at her weight.

It seems to be a lot easier to find faults in actresses, while the actors themselves look half-assed, with sagging skin and identification to people who visit beer bars at 3PM (you know who I'm talking about :D)

Originally posted by: _Darling_

There may be regressive attitude towards the females now, but that's because these women themselves don't respect themselves for example like DP was laughing at her holes, and degrade at women including mocking herself every time intentionally/unintentionally. Kareena who's fine taking flower pot roles. But one thing which has improved for female actresses is their personal life and their image in society. They have gained respect which IMO is way better. Before from what I can see, most actresses were either having affairs with married men, or mistresses to them, or were marrying married men. I think it's because of how the female actresses image was. No one wanted them or to marry them. Society didn't really took acting for females especially as respectable profession, so the actress had to survive having married men, etc and ruining their lives. There are many stories of past actresses having tragic lives. Compared to then, now the actresses have good, or at least a better, image in society. They are dating single guys whom they actually like/love and are well off.

They actresses now also can do movies after 30s to at least even till 35. I hope this age increases till 45 and it's becomes normal as if it's 45 age is 35 like now as the years pass by.

Originally posted by: atominis

@ponymo

Madhuri has done more films this is why she has more flops also. Is this not common sense?

Madhuri was actually doing work in cinema than killing time at red carpets, PR events, interviews, fashion shows, photo shoots only.

You easily forget the hits that MD carried on her shoulders and the sheer draw she was. That popularity is nothing which does not translate into anything tangible in real life.

Mere popularity is not stardom. No matter how much you or others spin it.

And as I said it is funny that TM talked in comparison to male superstars but people here are relaxing criteria for females! 😆
Amusing that you jumped to DTPH but forgot hits that she gave with flop newcomers (Dil with Aamir who was struggling after multiple flops post QSQT, Raja with flop Sanjay Kapoor. Ash worked with flop newcomer Abhishek but could not give him a hit!).


@Rotlu

No I am not in media or journalism.

Dimple Kapadia became an overnight sensation in 1973 with her first film Bobby. She also won the Best Actress Award for it. However she got married that year and returned after a divorce in 1984 and she rose to the top again winning the coveted award in 1985.

@ponymo

Deepika has also given hit with flop Ranveer in RL.

Just because Ash could never be a draw you are trying to say no actress was ever a facfor in drawing audience at ticket counters. Madhuri had flops but she also had hits which Ash never had. It is a fact her presence never influenced a film's fate majorly.

You can keep divorcing box office from superstardom. But that's not how things work. Ash is a superstar model not a superstar actress.

@Chippeshwini

That's because actresses are indeed not comparable to male stars. It was fair to compare in case of a Madhuri or Sridevi. But not in case of any 2 hit wonders like Kangana or Vidya. That's just exaggerating so called woman power for the heck of it while the most they can do is what a Khan film already did 5 years ago. 100 crore is total underperformer for a Khan now. So why and how can you compare chillar hits with these? Change criteria at will to prop females at par with males?

@Darling

Females were always bitchy. But they still got better deal earlier. They do better these days due to business opportunities and TV, other media. Still they are not a calling card like they were in past. Theymcannot assert themselves and still get offers. Today's stars also lack loyalty and respect. Maybe SRK works with Kajol. Otherwise no one else keeps working with heroine even if she gives him success. Rajendra Kumar, Rajesh Khanna, Dharmendra stuck to Sadhana, Sharmila Tagore, Mumtaz, Hema Malini when their films clicked with them. Today's stars don't!
Earlier there was more loyalty towards character actors also. Like after Deewar, AB had Nirupa Roy work with him as his mom in every film (even till Lal Badshah in 90s!). Do you see that in films now? HERO is everything. Others can be changed like socks!

Originally posted by: atominis

@ponymo

Deepika has also given hit with flop Ranveer in RL.

Just because Ash could never be a draw you are trying to say no actress was ever a facfor in drawing audience at ticket counters. Madhuri had flops but she also had hits which Ash never had. It is a fact her presence never influenced a film's fate majorly.

You can keep divorcing box office from superstardom. But that's not how things work. Ash is a superstar model not a superstar actress.

Originally posted by: Sridevil

Dimple Kapadia became an overnight sensation in 1973 with her first film Bobby. She also won the Best Actress Award for it. However she got married that year and returned after a divorce in 1984 and she rose to the top again winning the coveted award in 1985.

Who knows what would have happened if she continued during the 70s.

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More recently I think Deepika + Vidya were huge debuts. Lots of hype. Asin too. And Sonakshi to an extent.

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But now looking at it more... apart from Hrithik in 2000 and Ranbir in 2007 - I don't recall such overnight superstardom for many males either.