Was media too quick to tag Ranbir 'SUPERSTAR'??? - Page 7

The real thing is that Ranbir has got some real competition now with newcomers like Sid,Varun,Ranveer etc

Superishtaar ko superishtaar nahi bolenge toh kya bolenge!!

Media is quick to elevate as well as dismiss celebs..Dhoni was called all sorts of names when India was losing one match after another..One World Cup & he is supposedly the savior of the nation 😆 Thats how fans & media work..Public memory is short-lived..If ppl were quick to call him a superstar after YJHD, they were equally quick to dismiss him first after Besharam & then after BV..It happens with almost everyone..Ranbir a lil more cos he is a star kid..More than starpower, what RK had was credibility..Probably why Besharam opened wo well despite dismal promos..Ppl expected good films from him..That credibility has taken a hit after Besharam, Roy & BV..Now he needs to work towards building that back..I always say this but even with the 3 Khans, the one with most credibility is Aamir..Ppl might go watch SRK or Salman films solely for them but with Aamir, they go because they expect good films from him..And Aamir has been very careful about this so far ( Dhoom 3 is just an exception)..So coming back, more than anything, i do believe RK had lot of credibility as an actor..His star power was never meant to be compared with the Khans..Not even post YJHD..I don think any RK fan claimed that he has surpassed the Khans either..Now all he needs to do is act in good films so he can win that confidence back..As simple as that..

You have to be totally different if you want to be superstar.

Just as Rajesh Khanna was different from Dilip-Dev-Raj trinity, and Amitabh was different from all of them. Khans were totally different from any old time hero.

Trust me, audience turns up even in exam time if they find something fresh and exciting. Just as they turned up for HR. I remember my classmates watching KNPH during preparatory holidays between exams back then, pleading parents to give permission! Then holiday period is also not able to make a difference. It didn't matter for Diwali release Mohabbatein that year - with the biggest stars of that time!

They accept better alternatives too. Ram Lakhan is not too different from brother flicks done by AB and Vinod/Shashi. But Jackie and Anil were more fresh, the treatment was more entertaining and grand, villains were also larger than life, hence it became a huge hit. Ghai beat Manmohan Desai at his own game. Fair and square.

I am yet to see such phenomenon in these times.

Though as audience, I am yearning to see such game changing stuff.

Otherwise following Bollywood is predictable and boring if you know what's going to happen. No excitement at all in following the game.

Yes. Dare I say, the proof is in the pudding after three colossal flops, in a row, to boot.

Huge LOL @ romanticising the past! 😆

The 80s and 90s had huge ATBBs as well. 80s is also start of amazing new wave cinema. If it had bad films, it had good ones too. The films which are called path breaking these days, even riskier subjects than those have already been made in past. They dared to take up subjects like caste and AIDS, which filmmakers avoid now.
90s opened up overseas market for Bollywood films like never before.

Ones who are failing despite PR push and exaggerate even minor hits shouldn't talk about past. An Anil tried calling himself new superstar after beating AB films. Not like Ranbir's PR that called him new king in a year when Aamir gave 3I! What the hell is APKGK in front of 3I? Chillar!
Hrithik was called new superstar because he BEAT others fair and square. Not just hailed for the heck of it. Film magazines weren't even featuring him before his debut. They were hyping Abhishek instead! But HR turned calculations upside down.

No matter how much you talk about any Khan or HR being written off, fact is they had huge successes too which Ranbir and other newbies have NOT achieved yet. These are cold, hard FACTS. Not romanticising past.

Even now, whether it's different cinema or money spinners - it is Khans who lead in both departments.

New guys have never been ridiculed the way older stars were. Someone called baby, someone called scrawny or sweeper. Likes of Divya and Juhi making fun of both Aamir and SRK's looks. Anil was called sadakchaap looking. AB was called grasshopper due to his height and long legs. Dilip Kumar was openly called a monkey. They got worst write ups and comments. But they still made it and how!

New babalog have got kidglove treatment instead. All opportunities and facilities at disposal, still no mark.

Khans atleast praise newbies. Yesteryear seniors weren't like that. Sunny and Anil used words like Pappu, chocolate boy for Khans. Rajesh Khanna derided AB and Dharam all the time and bribed media to write trash about them. He even asked heroines to not sign films opposite those guys. He fought with script writers, producers, distributors just to kill competition. Still a colossus like him got replaced and defeated.

Today's newbies face none of that. Old stars even keep taking breaks leaving open field for these guys. Still these people haven't changed the game. On top of it, it seems they or their coterie can't take criticism or rejection and try to talk gibberish about either older stars or audiences.

Ranbir can take as many chances as he wants. But fact is he hasn't even achieved what his dad did. Forget anyone else. He is not even in league of HR. 1st 7 years of both are not at all comparable. HR is way ahead.

He has a long way to go. Aamir has had chequered 90s. But even he gave year's biggest hit in 1990. 2-3 years post debut. You can credit it to MD. But can't deny that today's boys don't give biggest hit even when acting with the #1 heroine of the time.

Newbies need to introspect. Trying to negate history or make excuses won't help.

If you were indeed fabulous, you would draw audience at any time of the year. You'd take trade pundits by surprise. You'd make seniors lock themselves up and rip apart their own pants in frustration. That's what previous superstars did. It is not folklore or romanticising. It is reality that hasn't been repeated in this era atleast.

Originally posted by: kumro-potash

You are right. 'Single screen audience' as long as they are not won, you are not superstar. Single screen audience enjoys action films the most and I don''t know whether Ranbir will ever be accepted there. Big Trouble For him. Though if Aamir can do a Ghajni then why not Ranbir?? For example- Rakesh Roshan films,sometimes I wonder who like these films, but no!! they are huuge in single screen - KMG, Krish, krish3 all were superhits in both both A, B and C sector ( I don't understand what that exactly means but I guess small town single screentheaters, even Crazy 4 did well. LMAO😲😲

Rakesh Roshan knows pulse of aam aadmi.

He blends emotion, drama, tragedy and all traditional Hindi film elements to make an entertaining product.

His success with Krissh series is amazing because this genre has never done well at BO except Mr India.

He has good sense of music also.

Not just single screens, these films do well in plexes also as kids drag families along to watch these films.

There's hardly any schoolkid from 2000s era whose slambook doesn't have HR's name as favourite actor. He used to win Pogo and Nick's Kids choice awards all the time.

Krissh toys and masks are still a hit at all toy shops in India.

RK can surely try a Ghajini if Aamir can! He has got better height and physique to fit such roles. SRK and Salman also did films like Karan Arjun to woo the masses. And secret of Ajay's and Akki's survival are the masses alone. Masses are the ones that make or break a star. That's why Aamir tries to balance with Ghajinis and Dhooms to keep masses pleased.

Only urban youth don't help. Males, females, kids etc, a star should be able to attract them all.

Originally posted by: atominis

I will put in a word on Hrithik also.

Hrithik's debut is a phenomenon in true sense and already a part of glorious history.

His film released in a jinx month like January. Hyped films of Khans also released around similar time -Mela and Phir bhi dil hai Hindustani. But KNPH finished everything in sight. It came like a tornado. That too without any publicity.

It is still one of the rare films to become the top grosser of the year despite releasing in a month like January.

The excitement was such that people were even willing to watch him despite exam time.

Ranbir or any other newbie NEVER swept audience off their feet the way HR did.

Industry was gaga over him. He was called complete package. He was referenced in so many films, serials and ads. Even serious, hard news magazines had him on cover.

Just as kids used to collect tazos, WWF cards back then, they also collected Hrithik cards, posters and Coke crowns with Hrithik.

Such was the attachment with him that people got angry and broke chairs at theatres when they saw Hrithik portrayed as a terrorist in Fiza! They couldn't bear to see him as a terrorist.

I have not seen such emotional attachment to any newcomer after that.

He would be praised to skies by industry. Indeed Aamir wanted him for DCH and RDB. Ashutosh Gowariker had offered him Swades. Amitabh Bachchan had said his confidence, at such an early stage of his career, astounded him.
Shatrughan Sinha had called him powerhouse of talent.

Hrithik's first 7 years are way better than any newbie after him. He has given yearly top grosser thrice. Whereas today's newcomers haven't given even once.

He is among the rare few stars in history of Bollywood, to have given both 1st and 2nd highest grosser of the same year, which he did in 2006.
Period films rarely work but he got a successful period film in JA and even won best actor awards at international film festivals for it.
Superhero films rarely work but he gave superhit franchise with superhero flicks.
Most of his successful films are January releases, a month called jinx for the BO.

He won both popular and critics awards for KMG in 2003.

In 2000 itself he was ranked #2 by Forbes (International edition), among India's Most Powerful Stars, just next to Amitabh Bachchan who had been crowned Star of the Millennium.

He is the only newcomer who had a televised concert on him. Prior to that only veterans like AB, Govinda, Madhuri got that honour.

Yes he took too many breaks later and made bad choices. He did have flops also. But Ranbir or other newbies are not comparable to him. They have not even achieved what he did.

He might be a product of nepotism. But he has atleast delivered success and is not a dhakka start gaadi unlike others.

Hrithik was and is, anyday greater than any newbie who came after him. A fact.

Ofcourse yes. Look at his inconsistent first day collections in last few months. His BO first day pull is inconsistent and now it is 5 cr and he is heavily dependent on promos,songs,actress etc...