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So yesterday I had expressed my disappointment at Arzoo keeping absolutely silent. I still think that she would have not harmed her cause of upholding Sahir's izzat and her waada to Zaki by saying that she was not pregnant.

But this is not to rehash that point of view. I was reading the various articles on the forum about today's episode and I have to say that I don't fully agree - I am making a bad habit of this am I not? My apologies - I don't mean to be contrary but I thought I will list my observations from today's episode, though I am sure Sush and Jyoti are going to present a much more balanced and detailed report. To start with according to me it was a really cool episode and the pre-cap was even more so. Looks like Sahir will not be in the dark for long about the pregnancy misunderstanding.

Let me get a bit personal here - I remember being madly in love in my early 20s - I stopped thinking and behaving logically for a while. I expected my boyfriend to understand me and read my mind and fulfill my unspoken needs and wishes. And when that did not happen cause the poor fella was no mind-reader, I would get so mad and disappointed. I'd rage. How could you? Why didn't you?' became part of my lexicon when arguing with him.

Arzoo today reminded me of that me. The one that is lashing out cause she is still hurt by Sahir's "Tumhare hone ya na hone se mujhe koi farak nahi padtha." She is also unfortunately carrying a rather large chip-on-the-shoulder courtesy her no-good, sleazebag father. It is almost like she is expecting to be let down sooner or later. Zaki and Alvira don't count - cause they don't matter to her that much. But Sahir matters. What he thinks matters... And very illogically, she expects him to know the truth despite her silence.

Even when he tries to explain to her logically despite his own heaving stormy emotions that you sometimes need to voice your truth (I am with you 100% on that Sahir) - all Arzoo can hear is his one phrase - "Sach kya hai?"

I am not sure if I imagined it but I thought Arzoo until then still believed that Sahir absolutely believed that she was not pregnant. He trusted her values. But that question was a bit of a punch in the stomach for her. Why is he asking this question? Shouldn't he just know? Just believe that she is not pregnant out of wedlock!

I could be wrong about the above interpretation. But this is what I perceived.

The fact that his trust in human kind and women in particular is already shaken to the core is a fact she is unaware of. The fact that he is not willing to believe the accusations against her blindly but is still hanging on to hope that she is trustworthy is something that at this point she is not even able to see, because; just like Sahir is blinded by the pain of his past and its shadows on his present; she is pained by the fact that she is deeply in love with a man who doesn't trust her implicitly. She is wrong about this. Any other man in his place would have judged her. He has not. But she is too emotional to see this - that is what I perceived.

Arzoo is of course a very demanding lover. She is demanding 100% trust but she is not willing to extend the same to Sahir. She wants him to understand her, despite all her actions... but she is not willing to understand him, despite all his actions.

However Sahir is no different. He is an equally demanding lover. He will keep harping on hadd and limits (understandable given his past) but is so in love that he himself is not able to keep his emotions, hands, eyes or words within limits. He is constantly sending out confusing signals to her. His eyes tell her something. His words tell her something else.

I loved the Saaz scene today. It was full of emotions, passion and angst. What I realised is that neither of them are ever going to be logical and well-behaved with each other - they are too much in love. Poor babies. I just wanted to hold them and say "Don't worry... it's all gonna be ok." I am ok with holding Sahir alone too ;p but yeah... let's not get side-tracked.

But seriously I do hope that there is no unnecessary twist in the form of an engagement or nikah between Zaki-Arzoo or Sahir-Sam. That would be the pits cause I really don't think I can handle this particular knife being twisted beyond a point. That would put me off. But yes the pre-cap did point to Sahir coming to know about Zaki and Sam's love affair and that Rehman wants the two to be hitched. I am loving the parents in this show - not Arzoo's though.

Alvira and Rehman are so committed to getting their bachchas hitched to their humsafars.

Look forward to what you guys have to say about this POV.

AND I have to say this - and this is something I am sure no one will argue with - Harshad Chopra's eyes!! Man they emote. Like Anne Sexton said, "I like you; your eyes are full of language."

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Junoonian

So yesterday I had expressed my disappointment at Arzoo keeping absolutely silent. I still think that she would have not harmed her cause of upholding Sahir's izzat and her waada to Zaki by saying that she was not pregnant.

But this is not to rehash that point of view. I was reading the various articles on the forum about today's episode and I have to say that I don't fully agree - I am making a bad habit of this am I not? My apologies - I don't mean to be contrary but I thought I will list my observations from today's episode, though I am sure Sush and Jyoti are going to present a much more balanced and detailed report. To start with according to me it was a really cool episode and the pre-cap was even more so. Looks like Sahir will not be in the dark for long about the pregnancy misunderstanding.

Let me get a bit personal here - I remember being madly in love in my early 20s - I stopped thinking and behaving logically for a while. I expected my boyfriend to understand me and read my mind and fulfill my unspoken needs and wishes. And when that did not happen cause the poor fella was no mind-reader, I would get so mad and disappointed. I'd rage. How could you? Why didn't you?' became part of my lexicon when arguing with him.

Arzoo today reminded me of that me. The one that is lashing out cause she is still hurt by Sahir's "Tumhare hone ya na hone se mujhe koi farak nahi padtha." She is also unfortunately carrying a rather large chip-on-the-shoulder courtesy her no-good, sleazebag father. It is almost like she is expecting to be let down sooner or later. Zaki and Alvira don't count - cause they don't matter to her that much. But Sahir matters. What he thinks matters... And very illogically, she expects him to know the truth despite her silence.

Even when he tries to explain to her logically despite his own heaving stormy emotions that you sometimes need to voice your truth (I am with you 100% on that Sahir) - all Arzoo can hear is his one phrase - "Sach kya hai?"

I am not sure if I imagined it but I thought Arzoo until then still believed that Sahir absolutely believed that she was not pregnant. He trusted her values. But that question was a bit of a punch in the stomach for her. Why is he asking this question? Shouldn't he just know? Just believe that she is not pregnant out of wedlock!

I could be wrong about the above interpretation. But this is what I perceived.

The fact that his trust in human kind and women in particular is already shaken to the core is a fact she is unaware of. The fact that he is not willing to believe the accusations against her blindly but is still hanging on to hope that she is trustworthy is something that at this point she is not even able to see, because; just like Sahir is blinded by the pain of his past and its shadows on his present; she is pained by the fact that she is deeply in love with a man who doesn't trust her implicitly. She is wrong about this. Any other man in his place would have judged her. He has not. But she is too emotional to see this - that is what I perceived.

Arzoo is of course a very demanding lover. She is demanding 100% trust but she is not willing to extend the same to Sahir. She wants him to understand her, despite all her actions... but she is not willing to understand him, despite all his actions.

However Sahir is no different. He is an equally demanding lover. He will keep harping on hadd and limits (understandable given his past) but is so in love that he himself is not able to keep his emotions, hands, eyes or words within limits. He is constantly sending out confusing signals to her. His eyes tell her something. His words tell her something else.

I loved the Saaz scene today. It was full of emotions, passion and angst. What I realised is that neither of them are ever going to be logical and well-behaved with each other - they are too much in love. Poor babies. I just wanted to hold them and say "Don't worry... it's all gonna be ok." I am ok with holding Sahir alone too ;p but yeah... let's not get side-tracked.

But seriously I do hope that there is no unnecessary twist in the form of an engagement or nikah between Zaki-Arzoo or Sahir-Sam. That would be the pits cause I really don't think I can handle this particular knife being twisted beyond a point. That would put me off. But yes the pre-cap did point to Sahir coming to know about Zaki and Sam's love affair and that Rehman wants the two to be hitched. I am loving the parents in this show - not Arzoo's though.

Alvira and Rehman are so committed to getting their bachchas hitched to their humsafars.

Look forward to what you guys have to say about this POV.

AND I have to say this - and this is something I am sure no one will argue with - Harshad Chopra's eyes!! Man they emote. Like Anne Sexton said, "I like you; your eyes are full of language."




You are absolutely right on your way. Women are easily judged especially in a conservative society such as in India but don't you think she is only loud-mouthed very bashful when it comes to Sahir. She becomes totally defensive for all the wrong reasons and her behaviour comes off too harsh. I know she is supposed to be having flaws as no one is perfect but I expect reasonability from a woman like her. She goes on saying her mother how men create problems for women yet she turns a blind eye to Zaki's perceived "friendly" problem and completely ignores Sahir's justified anger. Some times being quiet won't make you smart. But at least it gave an isight to their pain. :)😃
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Originally posted by: Junoonian


. The one that is lashing out cause she is still hurt by Sahir's "Tumhare hone ya na hone se mujhe koi farak nahi padtha."

And very illogically, she expects him to know the truth despite her silence.

The fact that he is not willing to believe the accusations against her blindly but is still hanging on to hope that she is trustworthy is something that at this point she is not even able to see, because; just like Sahir is blinded by the pain of his past and its shadows on his present; she is pained by the fact that she is deeply in love with a man who doesn't trust her implicitly. She is wrong about this. Any other man in his place would have judged her. He has not. But she is too emotional to see this - that is what I perceived.

Arzoo is of course a very demanding lover.

However Sahir is no different.

What I realised is that neither of them are ever going to be logical and well-behaved with each other - they are too much in love. Poor babies. I just wanted to hold them and say "Don't worry... it's all gonna be ok."

Loved reading your post 👏 And these lines highlighted are my favorite part of your writing 😉
They are too much in love - says it all ...She wants him to read through without even giving a glimpse at him ..Even after stating she has no impact on him he continusouly keeps thinking about her and her actions be it jealous of her helping Zaki in table or tht betrayal feeling when he sees them together in hospital ...HarshadChopda nails it BAS..👏 His eyes mashallah 😳
Creative team doing a good job not letting out any spoilers of what next in show ...👏 And as yu have mentioned even i would be very disappointed if they twist this already multi twisted story with any fake engagements or nikkah ...PLEASE 😭

I have a feeling they are trying to make Sahir Aarzoo fall for each other heavily and once they reach a stage where they realize they need to speak out to one another the CVs will fire another missile with Zeenat coming up all recovered 😉


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I just want to say...that Sahir was very clear that he trusted her and didn't believe in the accusation leveled on her outside... He said you couldn't be that girl...and so I want to know sach kya hai?? Meaning what is the truth behind you keeping quiet?he reiterated twice...saying I am not announcing a Faisla...I am asking you...why did you keep quiet??
That was crystal clear...and he could only say that if he believed she wasn't guilty..definitely!

That didn't register with Arzoo at all...she was stuck on the same point,,,why should I tell you...when all he was doing was trying to help...trying to understand...tell her that he knows she is clean in all this!
Her rudeness defied logic...
And if she felt he has no right to question her she should not have expected him to read her eyes...it works both ways! She shouldn't be claiming to taking that accusation for hs sake...why should she?

I wish Arzoo would behave more like one in love ...a little bit of sensitivity in handling Sahir...some consideration for his actions...some thought before saying the same thing again and again...she can be demanding in love but she should acknowledge the signs of his care...it would be easier to relate to her then!
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You are absolutely right on your way. Women are easily judged especially in a conservative society such as in India but don't you think she is only loud-mouthed very bashful when it comes to Sahir. She becomes totally defensive for all the wrong reasons and her behaviour comes off too harsh. I know she is supposed to be having flaws as no one is perfect but I expect reasonability from a woman like her. She goes on saying her mother how men create problems for women yet she turns a blind eye to Zaki's perceived "friendly" problem and completely ignores Sahir's justified anger. Some times being quiet won't make you smart. But at least it gave an isight to their pain. :)😃


Maybe I am in a kindly mood today... not sure. But I am putting down her behaviour today and her erratic behaviour over the last weeks down to being in love. Though she was silly to not stand up for herself yesterday.
And on the Zaki front - agree completely - Arzoo is exhibiting myopic moral values by blindly accepting Zaki's version.
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Its actually just the I expect what you expect game all over again! Just like you wont answer personal questions I wont give answers to personal questions. Why does it matter so much to Saahir if Arzoo's reputation is at stake? Why was he so bothered to the point he needed hold her by the arms and ask her for an answer? Agar koi farak nai parta as he claims than it shouldnt bother him whose child she is pregnant with. It is a completely as personal matter unless she is someone important or to him (which she is subconsciously)! So if he thinks he shares a personal enough equation from her to demand answers from her and tell him the truth about her personal life. She in return also demands trust from him which is always there in personal equations. Thats why her family coudnt believe she was in jail. As they have a personal question. So if they questioned her she would owe them answers. Alvira claims she trusts her and is not afraid to admit she is important to her thats why she didnt talk back to her when she demanded answers. But Saahir does not aknowledge any type of equation between the besides a proffessional one. He keeps telling her do what you came here to do and dont try to be something else. Thus she does not owe him any explanation about her personal life. If she does than she also expects trust in return like Alvira or her family. It takes two to tango always and both must be equally engaged.
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Originally posted by: Bujee09

Loved reading your post 👏 And these lines highlighted are my favorite part of your writing 😉

They are too much in love - says it all ...She wants him to read through without even giving a glimpse at him ..Even after stating she has no impact on him he continusouly keeps thinking about her and her actions be it jealous of her helping Zaki in table or tht betrayal feeling when he sees them together in hospital ...HarshadChopda nails it BAS..👏 His eyes mashallah 😳
Creative team doing a good job not letting out any spoilers of what next in show ...👏 And as yu have mentioned even i would be very disappointed if they twist this already multi twisted story with any fake engagements or nikkah ...PLEASE 😭

I have a feeling they are trying to make Sahir Aarzoo fall for each other heavily and once they reach a stage where they realize they need to speak out to one another the CVs will fire another missile with Zeenat coming up all recovered 😉


Thank you Bujee :). I think you did get my point of view here... maybe the only one LOL.
Arzoo is wrong in her reactions today but I really think it is the kind of reaction that most women deeply in love will have.
And your last para i really hope so... the falling for each other heavily bit. And truth be told... after all this pregnancy drama... Zeenat seems like the lesser of both evils hahahaha

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Posted: 10 years ago
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In fact I guess Sahir probably had no right to defend her the first time also...and when he did...why did Arzoo thank him...had he shared any personal pain with her then? No...
He should have stayed away this time also and let her deal with it..sometimes he does too much and she doesn't value it.

However he must read her eyes...his pain has to be voiced but she won't tell him anything...his concern at why she was keeping quiet when he knew she was right didn't mean anything...

And if he expresses anything to her now...he would be immoral because he is married..what is he to do?
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Originally posted by: prettypri

I just want to say...that Sahir was very clear that he trusted her and didn't believe in the accusation leveled on her outside... He said you couldn't be that girl...and so I want to know sach kya hai?? Meaning what is the truth behind you keeping quiet?he reiterated twice...saying I am not announcing a Faisla...I am asking you...why did you keep quiet??

That was crystal clear...and he could only say that if he believed she wasn't guilty..definitely!

That didn't register with Arzoo at all...she was stuck on the same point,,,why should I tell you...when all he was doing was trying to help...trying to understand...tell her that he knows she is clean in all this!
Her rudeness defied logic...
And if she felt he has no right to question her she should not have expected him to read her eyes...it works both ways! She shouldn't be claiming to taking that accusation for hs sake...why should she?

I wish Arzoo would behave more like one in love ...a little bit of sensitivity in handling Sahir...some consideration for his actions...some thought before saying the same thing again and again...she can be demanding in love but she should acknowledge the signs of his care...it would be easier to relate to her then!


Hi Pri... thanks for the comments. I agree that Arzoo was being a bit of a clunkerhead today... okay an absolute bullheaded clunkerhead. And yes it would be nice if she could be sensitive - that would be the right way to handle a volcano like Sahir.
But I think it must be near impossible for Arzoo to do that because all of Sahir's care and concern is also balanced by an equal amount of 'get outs' and 'farak nahi padtha'. She is confused. And worse she is in love. I am surprised she is still standing. I would have been standing in a corner, stomping my feet and bawling and screaming that I want God to sort this mess. Right. Now. So yeah given the circumstances I don't think we can expect Arzoo to show the maturity towards this relationship with Sahir. That will only come with time. It is not that she is not placing him above all else - she is. But it is all coming out skewed due to her own temper and circumstances.
I also think that her reactions are rather skewed right now cause she thinks that she doesn't matter to Sahir.
Of course he then goes on to confuse her by looking at her with those passion filled eyes.

And oh yes the 'Sach kya hai' bit - this is also a matter of her perception. Like you said, he could be and maybe is referring to 'why are you silent?' but she is perceiving it otherwise. Communication is such a tricky thing especially when we are talking to the one we are in love with - in the initial flush of love - we never say anything straight. Everything is hinted at and meant to be understood. I really felt that the scene today was fab cause BOTH let loose.
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Hi Pri... thanks for the comments. I agree that Arzoo was being a bit of a clunkerhead today... okay an absolute bullheaded clunkerhead. And yes it would be nice if she could be sensitive - that would be the right way to handle a volcano like Sahir.
But I think it must be near impossible for Arzoo to do that because all of Sahir's care and concern is also balanced by an equal amount of 'get outs' and 'farak nahi padtha'. She is confused. And worse she is in love. I am surprised she is still standing. I would have been standing in a corner, stomping my feet and bawling and screaming that I want God to sort this mess. Right. Now. So yeah given the circumstances I don't think we can expect Arzoo to show the maturity towards this relationship with Sahir. That will only come with time. It is not that she is not placing him above all else - she is. But it is all coming out skewed due to her own temper and circumstances.
I also think that her reactions are rather skewed right now cause she thinks that she doesn't matter to Sahir.
Of course he then goes on to confuse her by looking at her with those passion filled eyes.


I love your balanced responses and the way you take a different POV...a rare thing here these days..
😃.
The thing is..Arzoo fell in love with the man the way he is...he didn't become this way suddenly...he hasn't said he loves her...so why expect him to confess all his pain all of a sudden...especially after hay insight given by Alvira something should have changed...Alvira isn't willing to tell her so she can imagine how difficult it must ne for Sahir himself...no introspection is ever shown regarding Sahir...

And yet she is so considerate towards Zaki...who is supposed to be a friend...to the point that he thinks she loves him!

I understand her not wanting to share anything with Sahir...but her not even realising he trusted for her and cared enough to ask her the reason and instead lashing out at him that he disbelieved her...that's kind of really skewed!

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