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Ali has much been in the talks in recent times and for good reason. He's coming out to be an entertaining contestant. But much more than that (at least for me), he's portraying himself to be a sensible person. I've started this post to demystify the incidents occurring in recent times, and posing my opinion about them.

First, let's talk about the incident that occurred. Puneet, on judgement day, was handing out punishments to his 2 vice captains Upen and Gautum. That showed that Puneet's a mindless fool. His reasoning was that he didn't want to punish Ali as it would be too little punishment. Let's analyze Puneet logic. What is a better way to teach someone a lesson who's done some "wrong"? By giving them a little punishment or none? Obviously the former. Yet Puneet decided otherwise. What's more is that he decided to punish his vice captains, whilst there was an array of other contestants who could be punished as well.

Notice above that I put "wrong" in quotations. That is because Ali has done absolutely nothing incorrect in the house so far. Sure, he may have spoken a few harsh words, but who doesn't do that? No one in the house is a saint, and even Upen and Pritam (the two supposed nicest and calmest persons in the show) have done the same. So what is wrong if Ali discloses some of his feelings about other contestants? The only thing he has done wrong is disclosing it with people not worth trusting. He should have known that the people which whom he his sharing his feelings are people who switch sides regularly. You never know when you get on their bad side and then they'll publicly expose everything you've said. If Praneet found what Ali said about Sonali so disturbing, why didn't he make it clear that he disliked it when it happened? Why would he release it with other people 3 weeks later and pretend to be so upset about the comment? Another issue raised is that of confidentiality. Salman, in Saturday's episode, mentioned that men privately talk with each other some things which should not be publicly stated. I'll take this a step further and disregard the gender. Everyone, irrespective of whether they are male or female, says some things privately with their friends. Those are things they wouldn't say publicly and they expect the person they are saying it to keep it confidential.

Moving on from that judgement decision incident, immediately after that everyone started exposing things that Ali said. Of course the housemates would do this, since everyone had an easy opportunity to show Ali in bad light. And you can't expect them to back off from such a wonderful opportunity, can you (little do they know that it back fired completely, but I'll get to that later)? One of those things exposed was some harsh words Ali may or may not have said about Sonali (of course, with these housemates, there is a high chance that much of what they say if fabricated). Sonali, without even being a little skeptical about the housemates' claims (primarily because Sonali wanted some extra footage), slapped Ali. You may argue that it was a light slap, but the people arguing that side of the story are the same people who argued that Puneet should have been evicted because of a light incapacitating move. Make up your mind people, does intensity and intent matter or not? To me, it does, but intent matters more than intensity. And in this case, Sonali's intent obviously was to hurt Ali. To further prove the housemates stupidity, they contestants started encouraging Sonali. I literally laughed so hard when they said that Sonali should have slapped him more.

I also read that Ali called her a sl*t. While I certainly dislike that comment from Ali, I think Sonali overreacted. When all the women were proving that Sonali was switching partners everyday, Ali was the one who exposed them to her. What happened after that? Sonali blamed Ali instead. So now when Ali says the same things those women were talking about her, Ali deserves to be slapped? I think not.

This is where Ali made another mistake. Instead of telling everyone off, he started some nonsense about leaving the house. Of course, this is understandable as no one is able to handle having everyone against you. But he should have known that the people against him are insensible.

Then, Ali was called into the confession room and thereafter shifted to some special room. Around this time, some other housemates jumped on the "Hate Ali" bandwagon, such as Gautum and Pritam. This was the best part of the episode. All the housemates gathered in front of a camera, looking like a herd of sheep, folding their hands and trying to persuade Bigg Boss. They argued that Ali has no respect for women. They also argued that Ali said bad things to a woman, he argued with a woman, he told a woman how she really is etc. Oh my god! The nerve of Ali to do all that to a woman (note to the development team, this is NOT moral policing, but rather my opinions on the matter)! I wanted to go to the contestants at that moment at slap them. Why a women? If a woman says something bad to a man, it is fine? If a woman slaps a man, it is justified? These housemates think that they will get more votes by falsely supporting equality between genders. I want to promote equality too. But in the process of doing, I don't want to make women of a higher status than men, such that we'll have to worry about men not being equal to women.

Anyway, after this Ali came back into the house. Thereafter, he made his biggest mistake. He tried to clear things up with the housemates. That was an extremely stupid decision from his side. Apologizing for something he never did? Talking casually with the people who encouraged violence against you? That's why Ali hasn't truly won my support yet. He needs to stick to his words and gather some courage to say that he is right. For the first week, Gautum lacked this courage. However, in the third week and after, Gautum strictly started telling everyone what he felt, without changing his statements or worrying about others. And I'm sure you already know the result of that. So Ali's doing great, as soon as he gathers that courage, he's becoming the new and improved version of Gautum. Especially since he has a girlfriend outside, so he won't be sidelined because he can't start a relationship with Diandra.

I'm quite saddened that Pritam and Gautum did not stand up for Ali, especially since Gautum went through the same thing and Pritam supported him thoroughly during that time. Perhaps those two are too indulged in trying to act nice with each other such that they have forgotten to stand up for what is right. The part I'm excited about is what will happen when Ali, Gautum and Pritam actually understand that no one in the house is his friend. Obviously then, they will unite, making the last few weeks the most entertaining.

Best of luck to Ali, and thanks for reading this post.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: HippoSucks


I also read that Ali called her a sl*t. While I certainly dislike that comment from Ali, I think Sonali overreacted. When all the women were proving Sonali to be switching partners everyday, Ali was the one who exposed them to her. What happened after that? Sonali blamed Ali instead. So now when Ali says the same things those women were talking about her, Ali deserves to be slapped? I think not.


Sonali overreacted to being called a s**t? I agree that she should not have slapped Ali, but what right does Ali (or anyone else in the house) have to give Sonali that label? Just because she's a woman and that's the easiest way to assassinate her character? I don't think so. If that's the case, what should we call Gulati and Ali? Gulati went from Sonali to Diandra and back and forth - so what does that make him? Ali has a girlfriend yet he chases Sonali and Dimpy in the house - what should we call him? Salman was wrong in standing up for Ali today with his "boys will be boys" nonsense. That's not an excuse to assassinate someone's character on national television. Ali was not sorry that he said it but only sorry that he was caught.

Originally posted by: HippoSucks

Then, Ali was called into the confession room and thereafter shifted to some special room. Around this time, some other housemates jumped on the "Hate Ali" bandwagon, such as Gautum and Pritam. This was the best part of the episode. All the housemates gathered in front of a camera, looking like a herd of sheep, folding their hands and trying to persuade Bigg Boss. They argued that Ali has no respect for women. They also argued that Ali said bad things to a woman, he argued with a woman, he told a woman how she really is etc. Oh my god! The nerve of Ali to do all that to a woman (note to the development team, this is NOT moral policing, but rather my opinions on the matter)! I wanted to go to the contestants at that moment at slap them. Why a women? If a woman says something bad to a man, it is fine? If a woman slaps a man, it is justified? These housemates think that they will get more votes by falsely supporting equality between genders. I want to promote equality too. But in the process of doing, I don't want to make women of a higher status than men, such that we'll have to worry about men not being equal to women.



I'm not sure why you're so surprised here because the same thing happened with Gulati in the first week. They are going to do the same thing to Ali. While I agree that it's wrong, I don't think it's fair for Salman/BB to support Ali for his disrespectful behavior. They are basically promoting the idea that it's okay to say whatever you want to say about a girl as long as it stays "between the boys". I call bullshit there. Equality demands respect from both sides. There's nothing respectful about calling someone a s**t and maligning their character.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*


Sonali overreacted to being called a s**t? I agree that she should not have slapped Ali, but what right does Ali (or anyone else in the house) have to give Sonali that label? Just because she's a woman and that's the easiest way to assassinate her character? I don't think so. If that's the case, what should we call Gulati and Ali? Gulati went from Sonali to Diandra and back and forth - so what does that make him? Ali has a girlfriend yet he chases Sonali and Dimpy in the house - what should we call him? Salman was wrong in standing up for Ali today with his "boys will be boys" nonsense. That's not an excuse to assassinate someone's character on national television. Ali was not sorry that he said it but only sorry that he was caught.


Sonali overreacted relative to how she reacted when all the women were describing her, excuse my language, slu*tish behavior. If she had gone and then argued with those women, and yesterday if she had done the same with Ali, I'd have no problem.

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again. No one can portray anyone to be something that they're not. If I call Salman a terrible actor on national television, will all his fans start thinking the same? No, everyone makes up there on opinion on someone based on how they act. Not based on what others say about them.

Gautum did not transition from Sonali to Diandra. Gautum was never interested in anything more than a casual friendship with Sonali, and arguably Sonali left Gautum for Upen as well. Along with that, Gautum also currently denies a relationship beyond friendship with Diandra. So I don't think you can call him anything except a person with casual friendships with multiple women. I see nothing wrong with that.

How has Ali chased Sonali and Dimpy? Admittedly, he gave some compliments to Dimpy, but that's not so bad. Moreover, he hates Dimpy now.

Salman did not defend Ali because of the "boys will be boys" theory. Men are supposed to be mature as well, and they are (at least Ali is, I can't generalize).

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*


I'm not sure why you're so surprised here because the same thing happened with Gulati in the first week. They are going to do the same thing to Ali. While I agree that it's wrong, I don't think it's fair for Salman/BB to support Ali for his disrespectful behavior. They are basically promoting the idea that it's okay to say whatever you want to say about a girl as long as it stays "between the boys". I call bullshit there. Equality demands respect from both sides. There's nothing respectful about calling someone a s**t and maligning their character.


I was against all the housemates sidelining Gautum as well. I'm not surprised at their actions, but at their stupidity to repeat the same thing again.

The rest of your post except the last sentence is a reiteration of your first paragraph, to which I have responded above.

What I'm saying is that we need to promote equality. At this point, some people still believe that men are held at a higher stature than women. Does this mean that we give so much leniency to women such that they are at a higher stature then men? If so, then in 20 years we'll be worrying about men not being treated equally as women.

Again, I'm not saying calling her a sl*t was right on Ali's part (by the way, we don't know for certain that he called her that). However, Sonali's overeaction (while ignoring what the women said about her) and slapping Ali is not justified either. Why should we let Sonali off the hook? Because a women hit a man? I think not.

Just imagine what would happen if Sonali called Ali something, and then Ali slapped her. You all would still be on Sonali's side.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Awesome 👏

Ali is new hero since gautam has become zero
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: melodrama

Awesome 👏

Ali is new hero since gautam has become zero


I certainly hope Ali manages to gather the courage to stand on his decisions. Then, your statement will be fully accurate.
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Originally posted by: HippoSucks


Sonali overreacted relative to how she reacted when all the women were describing her, excuse my language, slu*tish behavior. If she had gone and then argued with those women, and yesterday if she had done the same with Ali, I'd have no problem.

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again. No one can portray anyone to be something that they're not. If I call Salman a terrible actor on national television, will all his fans start thinking the same? No, everyone makes up there on opinion on someone based on how they act. Not based on what others say about them.

Gautum did not transition from Sonali to Diandra. Gautum was never interested in anything more than a casual friendship with Sonali, and arguably Sonali left Gautum for Upen as well. Along with that, Gautum also currently denies a relationship beyond friendship with Diandra. So I don't think you can call him anything except a person with casual friendships with multiple women. I see nothing wrong with that.

How has Ali chased Sonali and Dimpy? Admittedly, he gave some compliments to Dimpy, but that's not so bad. Moreover, he hates Dimpy now.

Salman did not defend Ali because of the "boys will be boys" theory. Men are supposed to be mature as well, and they are (at least Ali is, I can't generalize).

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I was against all the housemates sidelining Gautum as well. I'm not surprised at their actions, but at their stupidity to repeat the same thing again.

The rest of your post except the last sentence is a reiteration of your first paragraph, to which I have responded above.

What I'm saying is that we need to promote equality. At this point, some people still believe that men are held at a higher stature than women. Does this mean that we give so much leniency to women such that they are at a higher stature then men? If so, then in 20 years we'll be worrying about men not being treated equally as women.

Again, I'm not saying calling her a sl*t was right on Ali's part (by the way, we don't know for certain that he called her that). However, Sonali's overeaction (while ignoring what the women said about her) and slapping Ali is not justified either. Why should we let Sonali off the hook? Because a women hit a man? I think not.

Just imagine what would happen if Sonali called Ali something, and then Ali slapped her. You all would still be on Sonali's side.


So Sonali's behavior is "s**ttish" because she switches from Upen to Gulati and vice versa? But Gulati is not a manwh**e/of loose character/or "s**ttish" because he was never interested in anything more than friendship with Sonali? Oh, really? Then why did he constantly flirt with her when she came back into the house? Dancing with her, kissing her etc - really? That was all Sonali right? And of course Gulati is a saint - he denies a relationship with Diandra despite the fact that he goes into the bathroom with her away from prying cameras? And you call that casual relationships with multiple women?! Okay fine then - Sonali also has casual relationships with multiple men in that way - why do you call her behavior "s**ttish"?!?!

Height of hypocrisy here!

No need to be worried about women being granted higher status then men in society. Even equality is a far way off for the time being ... it will be centuries before you have to worry about women demeaning men the same way that men demean women in our society today.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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if ali plays it smartly he will be in final easily...
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Good post.
They have realised that Ali is a strong contender and is liked by viewers, hence they took advantage of the situation.

Even if Ali called sonali a s**t... So have the others... Maybe not in exact words... But definitely in context.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*


So Sonali's behavior is "s**ttish" because she switches from Upen to Gulati and vice versa? But Gulati is not a manwh**e/of loose character/or "s**ttish" because he was never interested in anything more than friendship with Sonali? Oh, really? Then why did he constantly flirt with her when she came back into the house? Dancing with her, kissing her etc - really? That was all Sonali right? And of course Gulati is a saint - he denies a relationship with Diandra despite the fact that he goes into the bathroom with her away from prying cameras? And you call that casual relationships with multiple women?! Okay fine then - Sonali also has casual relationships with multiple men in that way - why do you call her behavior "s**ttish"?!?!

Height of hypocrisy here!

No need to be worried about women being granted higher status then men in society. Even equality is a far way off for the time being ... it will be centuries before you have to worry about women demeaning men the same way that men demean women in our society today.


According to most dictionaries I own, a sl*t is described as someone who has a "loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous". I'm not saying that she is one or isn't, but the women discussing about her certainly thought that she was one.

And no, Gautum is not one because he wasn't interested in anything more than friendship. Mild flirting, dancing etc does not imply anything more than a casual friendship. You may have been to some dances. In many of those, you dance with random women. Does that mean you're interested in them?

But again, I said Gautam said he doesn't have anything more than friendship with Diandra. He may have something going on, but that is irrelevant since he definitely had no intent of being in a relationship with Sonali in the first place.

I'm not denying that Gautum has a relationship with Diandra, but I am not convinced that he had one with Sonali. So technically, he isn't "switching women".
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Posted: 10 years ago
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i agree to u on this point tat
karishma also said the wo 2 shift lagate ha its also derogatory

and diandra also said pendulum ha
abhi nomniate hue to upen se hat ke waha chale gaye

dimpy also discuss her kambal leela

they all tear her character too but she said i m uneefected if u remember that double dholki anouncement wala episode

y single out ali quli on sonali issure

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