Ruqaiyyafication of Mughal Sultanat, Abhay Post Pg 1 - Page 41

Hi Friends,

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Friends,

I am way too late for an update. And Neetz is really doing a great job in providing updates instantly. Thanks so much, Neetz! Loved your take on Pg 41.

Still, if anyone is interested in my POV on what happened on Tuesday and Wednesday, here is my perspective of the episodes. I agree with Abhay and most of you here that showing children children falling in love and resenting each other is the ultimate in depravity. But we have that too now. I shudder to think what else lies ahead. 🤢

So here is my take. 😊

On Tuesday, we saw a host of fresh young faces, the next generation of Mughals and their citizenry. The children should have made the show more positive, more upbeat with their enthusiasm and innocent pranks. Unfortunately, the CVs with their penchant for the negative have robbed the kids of their innocence and thrust upon their delicate shoulders the passions and furies of the adult.

The underlying theme on Tuesday and Wednesday has been the demonstration of mature emotions by immature cherubs. :(

Shaguni Bai - Our Own Nostradamus

On Tuesday, Shaguni Bai made an entry in Agra along with her compass-kauris that always point to the future of the person for whom they are thrown.

She informed Zilbahar that her daughter would take her to the palace and that she (her daughter) would shake up the Mughal Sultanat and change the course of history. Zilbahar was naturally thrilled.

Shaguni also informed Jodha that her son would wear his heart on his sleeve and would embark on a love story written in blood and that he would even battle his father for love. She added that Salim would be loved by two women, one of whom would break his heart and the other mend it.

To appease viewers fed up of seeing Ruqaiyya's face, Shaguni added that Ruq had the feet of a dayan, as she saw blood footprints as Ruq walked away.

For most of her predictions, Shaguni used kauris that automatically moved around to form arrows that seemed to talk to her about the future.

It was weird the way Shaguni pronounced a heart-to-heart connection between Salim and Anarkali just by looking at the taveez on Salim's hand.

Salim Saved by Anarkali

Salim lay seriously ill and JJ prayed hard to Kanha / Allah to save him. What they didn't know was that his heart was tied with that of Anarkali's and the moment she was born, his heart miraculously started beating again. I don't wish to recall the innumerable voiceovers in Tuesday's episode because they were so pathetic. One such voiceover announced the birth of the epic love story of Salim and Anarkali right at the moment of Anarkali's birth. Disgusting!

Anarkali's Christening in DEK

Akbar has been reduced to an unemployed hey-you for anything that needs to be done, such as naming the babies born in his kingdom to ordinary mortals. He duly named Anarkali as Nadira on her mother's insistence.

If this wasn't bad enough, Zilbahar went behind the screen for ladies and sat right next to MUZ herself. And Salim was instantly happy to get a girlfriend so early in life and promptly showed his glee with a forehead kiss to Anarkali. Can anything be so pathetic and depraved as showing two babies in "love"???

The 8-Year Leap

As it is, I don't know how 1 year went by so fast. No one celebrated Salim's birth or 1st birthday. :(

But we were at least informed of the 8-year leap by a VO that announced that Salim was now 9 years old.

Who's the Mother of Murad

Murad entered the show on Tuesday as a 4-5 year old as did 9 year old Salim and an 18-19 year old Rahim.

But we have not been told till date who his mother is. Today we saw him being taken care of by Salima Begum as her son. But did she give birth to him? Or was he born to Jodha or any concubine and then given to Salima for upbringing? This question is vexing me. :(

Murad is first of all far too younger here than in real life (compared to Salim). Secondly, yesterday we saw the beginning of a sibling rivalry between Murad and Salim.

Murad was miffed with Salim being given the right to keep the injured dove that he had shot down. Later he was further agitated to see a tuladan being performed for Salim and none for him.

Somehow the idea of Murad being antagonistic towards Salim is hard to swallow. May be after they grew up, they may have had their share of power strugglebut to show them as "not getting along" right from childhood is stretching things a bit too far.

Adham Khan Junior

If we thought we had at least seen the end of Mahamanga and Adham Khan, we were wrong. Adham Khan junior is a chip off the old block in mannerisms and temperament. He is as jealous of the crown prince as his father was of Jalal.

Ekta is already preparing the ground for a confrontation between Salim on one hand and Murad and Khan Jr on the other hand. There were a couple of older boys whom I couldn't place. Let's see who they turn out to be and on whose side.

Salim - The Confluence of AkDha

Salim seems to have acquired his mother's universal love for everyone around him, from a dove to his grandmother. This was clearly visible in the way he saved a dove just the way his mother had saved a dove and a deer before her marriage.

But Salim is his father's son too. Just as Jalal had a fetish for collecting Jodha's payals, Salim seems to be developing a liking for Anarkali's ghungroos.

It was unbelievable to watch Salim walk off alone into the heart of the city followed at a distance by an unarmed Rahim. Wasn't Salim supposed to be surrounded by 2-3 rings of security at all times, as ordered by Jalal himself after SD's botched attempt to attack Salim during JJ's temple visit? Even otherwise, who will allow a royal crown prince to walk off alone into the city just because he had heard some sounds coming from somewhere? (This walking off in a trance, upon hearing the ghungroos, was reminiscent of Jalal walking off towards Jodha upon hearing her sing, leaving everything.)

But, while Jalal fell for Jodha as a 20-year old, Salim seems to be treading the path of "true love" right from infancy. And a doomed love at that. At least, Jalal got what he wanted. We know for sure that Salim will NEVER get Anarkali. If we didn't realise this ourselves, Shaguni Bai made sure we knew this.

What Next

The SA track seems to be a case of "history repeats itself on a minor scale". Replace JJ with SA, Mahamanga with Ruq, AK with AK Jr, and there's another epic love on our screens. If Jalal had to contend with Hakim Mirza and AK, Salim has to contend with Murad and AK Jr.

Ruq is laying stress on the fact that as a prince, Salim has the right to be impulsive and can well let his heart lead him. Already, we can see her laying the foundation upon which she will build a castle of resentment towards Jodha in Salim's impressionable heart.

What We Didn't Get

We didn't get the other kids of AkDha. Even the one we got - Murad - has been assigned to someone else - Salima.

During the Ruq MC track, we had seen Jalal trying to scare Salima by pretending to be amorous and she had submitted herself to his advances like a sacrificial goat. Then how did Murad happen? Or is it that Murad is supposedly the child of a concubine who has been given to Salima for upbringing?

We didn't get any war following Chittor.

We didn't get to know what happened to Bakshi's daughter and SD and his father.

We didn't get the move to Sikri.

We didn't get to see Akbar marrying any other princess.

What are we getting instead? Repeat scenes of JJ's "love" and "jealousy". Let's grow up. Jodha is living in a harem for 16 years now. Will she still try to stop her husband from going to other begums and will he still stay tied to her only?

There's a lot of fiction to accept in coming weeks. It's almost like FF coming to life. Perhaps the CVs liked the FFs on IF more than the historical discussions, considering that there is a multitude of the former and just one thread for the latter.

Perhaps the SA love track will be used to show JJ progressing through the various stages of love, as they grow older together? We may get to see in fast forward mode how Jodha was caught between her son and husband and chose to remain by the side of her husband, out of her devotion to him.


Folks, I am trying to stay positive, because I don't want this fiction to affect me negatively. :)

Originally posted by: surochitadutta

Radhika next will be Salima Jalal SR as flashback... 😡

Radhika it's rukayyafication and salimafication

Mansi convo with zee


He has confirmed to me that when Hasan Husein died Jallal was very angry that Jodha was responsible for the deaths and at that time Salima gave him lots of moral support. They started sleeping together and that relationship continued even after Jalal and Jodha patched up and Salim was conceived. hence Murad is yunger than Salim.

I said I am shattered ... can you confirm to me that at least now that Jalal salima relationship has ended? he said I cannot tell you that. We will be showing everything in flashback and you have to wait and see.

I said please mere man banana ke liye at least tell me it has stopped now and he no longer has relationship with Salima? After a long time he said "OK I'll tell you but don't go round telling it. He has stopped being with Salima, you can take it like that! But there is some background as to why that's why I didn't want to confirm this to you since there is some story why he stopped seeing Salima.

Hope you are all alive after reading this? Sorry if I have shattered you all!

Originally posted by: Neetz

Abhay, we thought as these people aren't showing FS construction, so atleast they will put up a few curtains here and there thus changing the set a bit and we will get FS. But yahan to wo bhi nahi hua. Seems like they have no money for curtains either. Why not use the ones they have? I am sure they can do so much as just change the interiors. 😕
Thodi to history dikhaa do..

Yes i remember.
It seems Fatehpur Sikri has vanished somewhere in air, as if there was nothing like this.
I am seeing a pattern, except jodha and Jalal everything is happening here. ;p

Originally posted by: history_geek

Yes i remember.
It seems Fatehpur Sikri has vanished somewhere in air, as if there was nothing like this.
I am seeing a pattern, except jodha and Jalal everything is happening here. ;p

Right. It has definitely vanished. They will stay put in Agra forever. Where is their historian now?
JJ have been sidelined.

Originally posted by: Akdhaparijatluv

Radhika it's rukayyafication and salimafication

Mansi convo with zee


He has confirmed to me that when Hasan Husein died Jallal was very angry that Jodha was responsible for the deaths and at that time Salima gave him lots of moral support. They started sleeping together and that relationship continued even after Jalal and Jodha patched up and Salim was conceived. hence Murad is yunger than Salim.

I said I am shattered ... can you confirm to me that at least now that Jalal salima relationship has ended? he said I cannot tell you that. We will be showing everything in flashback and you have to wait and see.

I said please mere man banana ke liye at least tell me it has stopped now and he no longer has relationship with Salima? After a long time he said "OK I'll tell you but don't go round telling it. He has stopped being with Salima, you can take it like that! But there is some background as to why that's why I didn't want to confirm this to you since there is some story why he stopped seeing Salima.

Hope you are all alive after reading this? Sorry if I have shattered you all!

Bhavna,

Thanks for sharing. :))

@Blue..Did this happen really, or he is saying it as per their NR.?. ;p

BTW, the theory of Zee Guy is interesting. He says - "Jalal held Jodha responsible for the death of his twins, and that time Salima came close to Jalal."

I am not on Twitter.

1. So, Can anyone of you tweet this post of mine to that CV guy Manish on Twitter.?. I saw that he said they have hired someone who verifies from a lot of sources. Can we have his darshan.?.
Link of that post is here.> https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/115170231

In case he replies, that Salima was Murad's mother, then we can forward his message to Dirk Collier directly. I dont know Dirk Collier's ID on Twitter, but his organization has an account there.. :)

This NR of Balaji is getting too much now. They have found those sources which even JNU / AMU / CU / MU , etc. people could not get.

2. Ask him, where the person whom they hired, found Jalal getting captured at hands of Maali and Jodha with Khyber and Jalal roaming in streets of Mathura..Bas itna hi puch lena..

3. Also please ask them, if Jalal was miffed with Jodha for twins death, then why did he take her to Ajmer and Sikri Dargah(these were solo pilgrimages, not the entire harem). ?

Ask him , did they show this NR😡 of Jalal getting angry with Jodha for 3 years only because of showing Murad as Salima's kid.?.🤢.😆

4. Why he took her with him in a war JUST after death of twins, if he was angry with her for 3 years..?..😕

5. Also, finally ask them, >
a. Why they did not show those SOLO pilgrimages of JJ.?
b. Why they did not show those war trips.?
c. BUT THEY have shown Jalal getting angry at Jodha for twins demise as per their NR and using that NONSENSE MU as a reason to show Salima as Murad's son.?.

There was no angst historically, BUT They are using fictional angst of Jalal with Jodha, as per their NR as a reason to show Murad as Salima's son.?. LOL

Though, i still don't believe this guy, but..till now Zee replied only to the letters sent to them, that too with weird replies, BUT now it's limit..

Originally posted by: realitybites

😆😆😆 So the show has taken 15 years leap? Just like that!!😛😆😆

By this hypersonic speed, it may end by Nov or early Dec.

Sadly the JA show which was once captivating has now turned into a lack lustre and drab.

While there were glaring follies in the tracks but still they managed to hold the viewers interest. But the fake pregnancy track of Ruq, Kyber track and Atifa track were not only incredulous but horrifying to show on part of the writers. How can they show the Mughal empire like this? So casual like its a flea market or a free for all zone?

If this was not enough the horrifying and ugly death of the babies, followed by the most repulsive and horrendous thing shown of Jalal blaming Jodha for spending the night with him and the death of Hussain.🤢🤢🤢 Who on earth can come up with such repulsive and obnoxious thoughts? The so called writers in Ekta team are all young women, its unfortunate and painful that they think like this.

The writers butchered all the characters-Jalal, Jodha, Ruq, HB, Todarmal, Birbal. Perhaps Salima has been spared.

By this account no wonder Ekta may show Jodha dying before Jalal so that she is sada suhaagan types😆😆😆

Is it fair to use licence of creative liberty to show the story in such banal and fable banner?

The story line Ekta and her team has followed is simply limited to Shaadi-Bache-Saazish.🤢 She is recycling it again and again. None of tracks in JA has gone outside this realm. Saazish will always be limited to jealousy or position.😕

Its nothing but complete bankruptcy of ideas and competency of the writers🤢.

Hope in future there are better QUALIFIED and INTELLIGENT WRITERS who handle such subjects.

Originally posted by: MPMANU

Hi akka and all. Very appropriate title.

Hi Purani and thanks for liking the title 😊

Finally got over with my test and came here and I dont know what to say. Just two day and the show is upside down. Leap after leap. Lost track ready how many years have past by. My resolute to not watch got broken and watched first few minutes and rest fast forwarded. Reading comments are far more better than watching even reading WU.

Kathal and Kataharikai.( love and brinjal) They killed love story and giving rotten katari now. People are worried on issues like teen pregnancy and here they are glorifying infant romance. Since I dont know the fictional story of anarkali, what happen in the end? I guess it is a tragic. Then how can they justify this before birth connection all. And salim ka dil starting to bit when anarkali is born 😲. Kissing forehead. Showing innocent kids like this. JA show is showing what all should not happen.
Even I'm writhing about SA not JJ😕.

Anarkali was either buried alive in a wall or made to escape in secrecy by Akbar and leave the country, never to return again. Let's see what is shown here. 😊 You are free to talk about SA - after all, in near future, that's all we will have to talk about. 😕

Coming to JJ, since the writer have memory loss so we to have to erase certain memories to actually understand what is happening. All was well till hussains dead. Ruks blaming Jo is acceptable. Ja being angry at Jo and blaming her can be swallowed but how can that happen for 3 years. Now that 3 years leap is before or after chittor war? Both ways it is not logic. If before, how to be single minded and not thinking and harbor anger for years, only jalal can do that. If after also not logical. So should not think logic when come to JA. Then now Jo is the one apologizing for no fault of hers. It did not like one bit when Jo say sorry and Ja was silent and the look he gave as if telling her I say so. And later she again apologize to Ruks. Ja standing there without saying anything why just to safe himself from being sandwiched in between 2 begum. He perfectly aware that Ruks the one wrong. And Jo, I'm not very upset that she accepted guilt of a crime which she the innocent and also victim. See she had guilty on the very day the baby died. Even if Ruks did not open her mouth, she would have blame herself coz it is natural way to grieve. But what should the others should have done is correct her thoughts. But no and on top of it Jalal himself accused her without sharing any blame and dumped her out of his life for 3 years.

@bold: That's what annoys me, Purani!

That is not enough he when to war with Rajavanshis. In that 3 years she is just part of the harem and we can imagine how life would have been.

@bold: esp with Ruq in charge of the harem and never forgetting to make life hell for Jodha. Did Ruq forget that she would have been divorced if not for Jo. She would have drank poison in the mirchi war if not for Jo.

This is like getting a confession out of an innocent by torturing. Repeating something again and again will become true eventhough it is not. That is why it is not advised to name call a child like stupid coz they may end up one. Okay I think should stop here. JJ are now married for 15 years I guess. So, should let go the past and embrace the present. Think this way that JJ had peaceful life for 8 years. Hopefully they are mature especially Jalal. It will look silly if they show separation now. They can have fight, argument and all but should be solved soon, They should know each other.

The time leap is only to show the SA love story. There is no time leap for JA. They are still looking and behaving as they did when they got married. Where's the maturity in their behavior or the gravitas in their love? 😕

Rukaiyah...she is still walking as if she owns the land. I dont see any downfall of her at all. Jalal already said that no matter what I will be your dost. More than anything this friendship is the one is epic.

@bold; Perfectly said: It should have been Ruq Akbar - An Epic Dosti - How Ruq turns Jalal into a Jallad

From good CVs to moderate Cvs and now the one writhing is worst Cvs.

Sorry for venting...its better now. Good thing is there are so many post which are hilarious and I thank you all friend for that.😆

Ya, it's vital to have a sense of humor to continue with JA. Otherwise we will all go crazy. 🤣 Purani, don't apologize for venting. I always tell all friends to vent to their heart's content in posts or PMs. So long as it doesn't get down to name calling or hitting below the belt.

Originally posted by: -aady-

Shaguni Bhai always picks on the right topics. 😆

Neetz, whatever awe are shown we tend to connect to that. Several arguments may come up saying Jalal was part of a polygamous setup, so wanting him to only be with one wife is a little odd- And this is true. If they showed him having simultaneous relations with other begums, this development of Murad as Salima's son would be a little digestable, but NO. They show Salima purely as a mentor type person, who shares a sistery relation with Jalal and expect us to just accept the fact that suddenly over a leap they have a child???

They have given us a one woman Jalal who can't think about any other woman other than Jodha, now they better continue on with it. Polygamous set ups are already very very confusing to understand, on top of that when they suddenly add new layers to his relations, it gets very confusing. Now let's see, when have the CV's ever lived up to our expectations? 🥱