Revisiting... - Page 5

I will try reply to you both in one go... and sorry for the length of the reply😳

Originally posted by: Crazy410

Darling, his natural and first instict has always been to help her. He was coming to her rescue. Like Eveline pointed out, when he took care of her foot - he didn't have to do that either. That's why Paro tells him " you are my rakshak".

Crazy410- firstly, she was not in any mortal danger here and so there was no need for him being Rakshak. Remember, he has been throwing her out of house everyday to get rid of her? Remember what his boss said about Thakur's men being still out there? But still he has been throwing her out.. The Rakshak instinct has been failing there...there has been a real mortal danger to which the character is not responding...If it was self preservation.. then why did it not kick in now when his self preservation is more in danger? Look, when I say Rudra is failing to protect, I mean the CVs have goofed it. You see its not adding up. Story and characterisation are not going hand in hand... Just the same.. this scene was not in line with mood of the Rudra's character here. I will explain why in a minute. Let me include Eve in it now.

Originally posted by: eveline

Yes, Rudra acts like a shy boy around her cause in essence this is his first love, his first real attraction, his first crush. He has been around Laila, but without being emotionally involved. She did not evoke and invoke anything in him. So, Paro is his first and that makes him unsure and nervous and shy.

Eve, - I would have to concede that I am a cynical person. I am unable to give him a clean chit for this as he has been fully sexually active with one or more earlier. Virgo intacta mode is not sitting well on his shoulders.

Originally posted by: eveline

If the guy wanted a physical relationship with her, he would have already forced himself on her. He had plenty of opportunities to use, abuse and molest the girl. But looking back you will notice, other than the break Paro campaign (where he was very honest about it to Paro), he has always maintained a respectful distance. If he wanted some kind of physicality, his actions would have been otherwise.

The question of respectability does not arise between these two at all. As the bottom line is she likes him ...and although he is fighting her at present, he also likes her... so what do you mean by respectability here? Sexual or non sexual advance of any kind between these two has nothing to do with respectability at all. I am not raising a question on the respectability of his advance towards her.. just that he did not act true to his character when he was helping her in his present frame of mind. I am not blaming Rudra but that CVs have made him react uncharacteristically.

Originally posted by: eveline

And no he wouldn't have done that with Maithilit coz she is his Bhabhi for God's sake. Draggin her or KCM in this seems totally inappropriate. How can we compare Paro and Maithili...its like comparing what you have for your brother with what you have for your love, husband, boyfriend...highly inappropriate comparison!!

My attempt at Paro's substitution with Maithili or Rudra's with any decent man is to show what are the bounds of respectability and how it would not apply in this instant as they are affected by each other. He won't do what a descent man would do but again I can't imagine him walking towards her willingly to help her when he is in a state of mind where he is throwing her outside the house without any care to the threat to her life. So what protective instincts are we talking about? He is in self-preservative mode and there is no real threat for the instincts to awake.

Originally posted by: eveline

A point here, it was not Rudra that I felt was out of character, it was Paro. If a girl knows her dori is untied and blouse slipping off, why in the world would you turn around and show the guy your bare back.

Yes you are correct when you said Paro was out of character. And all what you have said is true. That's exactly why our CVs reasoning behind her act is inadequate. Rudra asked her not to show her face... really!! During the scene where Rudra was knocking the door and Paro opened it .. hid behind the door , then turned around and traced her path along the walls of the corridor.. I was like ...eerrr... Mmm...excuse me... ... well that's the reason why she turned around to show her back instead of turning towards him... sounded contrived enough to cringe?

As you said, all these romantic sagas have to enforce intimate scenes... true.. the secret though lies in blending it with the mood of the couple not randomly throwing them in with no respect to what is happening between the pair.

As Crazy410 said there will be this constant keecha thani between them. In the first phase, Paro was consciously moving away from Rudra while Rudra was unconsciously moving towards her. In the second phase, we see Rudra consciously moving away and Paro consciously moving towards him. We see in 2 instances in the second phase when Rudra has deflected in his path to move towards Paro. Both of these instances were so convincingly written and directed.. both these scenes enthral you.

First one when he walks in a trance towards her in the award ceremony. It was beautiful, believable and spellbinding because he thought she was lost to him for ever...and here she was in front of him ..calling him out...All those people around him disappeared ...a force of unimaginable strength started to pull him towards her. The world wise cynical misogynist starts moving step by step towards Paro tracing an invisible thread. That man had no power to resist that pull...Now compare that to his walk from the kitchen door to Paro. You will find your answer.

The second instant is when he pulls Paro towards him to protect from Sumer when she comes in between them to stop them fighting. His instincts told him that Sumer might manhandle her and his reaction was a flash with eyes blazing..ready to tear into the offender.. Metaphorically, he did move towards Paro to protect her. Here again we can believe the narrator. Its an instant decision he took...no hesitation or contemplation. His instincts said get her out of harms way now!!! his body reacted without a delay ...his conscious mind's permission can go take a hike! That is a beautiful and believable scene too.

Originally posted by: gangaprakash38

I will
try reply to you both in one go... and sorry for the length of the reply😳

Crazy410- firstly, she was not in any mortal danger here and so there
was no need for him being Rakshak. Remember, he has been throwing her out of
house everyday to get rid of her? Remember what his boss said about Thakur's
men being still out there? But still he has been throwing her out.. The Rakshak
instinct has been failing there...there has been a real mortal danger to which
the character is not responding...If it was self preservation.. then why did it
not kick in now when his self preservation is more in danger? Look, when I say
Rudra is failing to protect, I mean the CVs have goofed it. You see its not
adding up. Story and characterisation are not going hand in hand... Just the same.. this scene was not in line
with mood of the Rudra's character here. I will explain why in a minute. Let me
include Eve in it now.

Eve, - I
would have to concede that I am a cynical person. I am unable to give him a
clean chit for this as he has been fully sexually active with one or more
earlier. Virgo intacta mode is not sitting well on his shoulders.

The
question of respectability does not arise between these two at all. As the
bottom line is she likes him ...and although he is fighting her at present, he
also likes her... so what do you mean by respectability here? Sexual or non
sexual advance of any kind between these two has nothing to do with respectability
at all. I am not raising a question on the respectability of his advance
towards her.. just that he did not act true to his character when he was
helping her in his present frame of mind. I am not blaming Rudra but that CVs
have made him react uncharacteristically.

My
attempt at Paro's substitution with Maithili or Rudra's with any decent man is
to show what are the bounds of respectability and how it would not apply in
this instant as they are affected by each other. He won't do what a descent man
would do but again I can't imagine him walking towards her willingly to help
her when he is in a state of mind where he is throwing her outside the house
without any care to the threat to her life. So what protective instincts are we
talking about? He is in self-preservative mode and there is no real threat for
the instincts to awake.

Yes you
are correct when you said Paro was out of character. And all what you have said
is true. That's exactly why our CVs reasoning behind her act is inadequate. Rudra
asked her not to show her face... really!! During the scene where Rudra was
knocking the door and Paro opened it .. hid behind the door , then turned around
and traced her path along the walls of the corridor.. I was like ...eerrr... Mmm...excuse
me... ... well that's the reason why she turned around to show her back instead of
turning towards him... sounded contrived enough to cringe?

As you
said, all these romantic sagas have to enforce intimate scenes... true.. the
secret though lies in blending it with the mood of the couple not randomly
throwing them in with no respect to what is happening between the pair.

As
Crazy410 said there will be this constant keecha thani between them. In the
first phase, Paro was consciously moving away from Rudra while Rudra was unconsciously moving towards her. In the
second phase, we see Rudra consciously
moving away and Paro consciously moving towards him. We see in 2 instances in
the second phase when Rudra has deflected in his path to move towards Paro.
Both of these instances were so convincingly written and directed.. both these
scenes enthral you.

First one when he walks in a trance towards
her in the award ceremony. It was beautiful, believable and spellbinding
because he thought she was lost to him for ever...and here she was in front of
him ..calling him out...All those people around him disappeared ...a force of
unimaginable strength started to pull him towards her. The world wise cynical misogynist starts
moving step by step towards Paro tracing an invisible thread. That man had no
power to resist that pull...Now compare that to his walk from the kitchen door
to Paro. You will find your answer.

The
second instant is when he pulls Paro towards him to protect from Sumer when she
comes in between them to stop them fighting. His instincts told him that Sumer
might manhandle her and his reaction was a flash with eyes blazing..ready to
tear into the offender.. Metaphorically, he did move towards Paro to protect
her. Here again we can believe the narrator. Its an instant decision he took...no
hesitation or contemplation. His instincts said get her out of harms way now!!!
his body reacted without a delay ...his conscious mind's permission can go take a
hike! That is a beautiful and believable scene too.

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yes.. Rudra waljing in a trans was very well done

Originally posted by: eveline

Have to hand it to the cvs that the characters have been beautifully etched, especially Rudra's. I have some issues with Paro's development, but its my personal disappointment and disconnect, its my problem, cant take any credit away from the cvs.