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Posted: 11 years ago
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Guys, I have a question I am confused about- what is trust and what should it look like between Jodha and Jalal?

Here is where the question starts: Has Jalal proven his trust for Jodha? Is it trust without proof?

I feel pre- Ben poison track, Jalal always needed proof to completely trust Jodha. The fake pregnancy track he was eagerly waiting for the effects of the antidote and the Shivani track, it was the letter that proved her innocence. He also told her off on her bad judgement for Shivani- this was justified on Jalal's side but does not show his trust on her.

And then he says he trusts her after the fake pregnancy track and then after the letter MU it flew out of the window.

Of late, after the Ben poison drinking saga, he has been trusting Jodha more. I think the murti khand is the best example - he believed her before he found the proof.

However, is this enough of a track record for Jodha to tell Jalal about Sujamal? I wish she had given the benefit of the doubt but even Jalal didn't trust her opinion on Sujamal the other day saying she is thinking of Sujamal as a brother and not a soldier.

I think the CVs are trying to show that Jodha and Jalal's trust in each other is still at nascent stage and this track will strengthen this trust both ways:
- Prove Jalal's trust in Jodha
- Solidify Jodha's trust in Jalal

I hope this is what they do! However, in the meantime, would love your thoughts on where these two are in the trust spectrum and where they should be!

I know a lot of folks in the forum believe Jalal has proven his trust so really want to hear your POV!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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yeh bhi ho sakta hai think par yhe sab karte karte bhaut time ho jayeng jab jalal jo se mohabbat karta hai to us par trust bhi karna chahi ya agar is baar bhi vo koyi evidence mangega to lagega ki vo usse sachi mohobbat nhi karta hai
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice post.


I agree with u that Jalal trust her more now after she drank poisonous kheer to save his life and he did not need proof like before in murti issue. But, I feel this track is a test for Jalal's trust in Jodha. Is his trust strong enough to handle the upcoming allegations on Jodha as helper to supposed traitor "sujamal"? After Jodha saved Jalal's life, he should trust her completely without proof but only time will tell I mean his reaction to upcoming track should seal the fate of his trust on Jodha. He can get upset and mad at her that why did she hide but should not label her as traitor after she proved her loyalty by risking her own life.


Now, about Jodha. I did feel earlier that after Jalal had told jodha that you can come and tell me any bitter news or problems and I promise I will listen to u and solve ur problems; she should have told about sujamal. But, when Jodha told him that her brother cannot be an attacker etc; he dismissed her saying that he is enemy and i don't want to discuss further. If he had listened to her more then may be she would have told him about sujamal. I wanted her to tell that she met sujamal but if she had told him then may be he would have found and killed sujamal bec he did say that he will not leave him. It is a very difficult situation for Jodha.

As I already said Jodha saving Jalal, she proved her loyalty and earned her trust of Jalal (or should I say I hope she did). Now, let's see if Jalal proves his loyalty by supporting her and believing her without proof and therefore earns trust of Jodha. (what I mean by this is Jalal believes that she is NOT a traitor or adultress depending on what MA says. May be he believes that she went to see sujamal to find about the truth and not help him escape- obviosuly Jodha need to tell him why she went to meet sujamal and then believes her).


When I read your post, it reminded me of something I read somewhere " Hope is wishing. Trust is believing. Faith is knowing."

If I use above phrase and put into Jodha and Jalal's context, Jodha and Jalal are still in trust phase; although I feel they both should be in faith stage especially Jalal (after jodha risking her life). What I mean is jodha and jalal believes each other with or without proofs but there will be time soon hopefully after this track ends when they will KNOW that other is right even if someone tries to instigate them against each other.


Jodha and Jalal's trust/faith in each other will also bring them closer and help them confess love to each other. Isn't it obvious that when someone supports or trust you especially when others are against you, one feels elated, proud, respectful and love for other person?


Ayesha



Edited by ashpat - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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trust in itself is a very tricky word..its just like a thin line of hair which can be easily crossed and once crossed its very hard and sometimes next to impossible to build that trust again..jodha by consuming poison proved that nothing is more precious to her more than her husband's life not even her own..jalal trusts her in that respect..but hiding about her bhaisa will hurt him more not because she has committed a crime by hiding a traitor's whereabouts but the fact that he has not been able to win jodha's trust!

and by the end of this track jalal might win jodha's trust on rationale thinking if he acts in a sensible way after knowing the truth or finding the truth himself and not listening to anybody and everybody...and here it all depends on the cvz how they will handle jalal's intellect!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Omg omg... I wrote the exact same thing in your take 5 post. This is scary...🤗

I then found this post and then whoa... two G-girls thinking alike!!!!!

Actually have nothing to add... because you have explained everything I was thinking.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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i feel jalal trust jodha to some extent
may be he has gone 2 steps forward
but i feel jodha is still in her old place
she could not go even 2 steps forward
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: copacati

yeh bhi ho sakta hai think par yhe sab karte karte bhaut time ho jayeng jab jalal jo se mohabbat karta hai to us par trust bhi karna chahi ya agar is baar bhi vo koyi evidence mangega to lagega ki vo usse sachi mohobbat nhi karta hai



Yes, I hope he trusts her this time without any evidence or even with evidence against her! He can be hurt for her hiding but not doubt her intentions.

Thanks for posting!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Good post Divya!
Trust at nascent stage????? Ummm actually no...! I can't really agree on this point. What I think is that this doubt of yours would not have come up, if cv's would not have come up with this particular track. Just because there are faint chances of misunderstanding,(though I'm saying this but somewhere I'm still up with no mu) you can't really question someone's trust for the other. Sometimes circumstances are such that, one may feel so. Being a third person, we can give long lectures on trust, but when it comes to real life, even we might end up doing something wrong. So its not that easy, but keeping Jalal in mind, I would like to mention certain things I had written in one of my posts(for writing this, I neglected the cv's) -
The mind and heart at the same time when open themselves to a new feeling, a new realization, a new urge to trust someone, then they can never return to their original and older phase. Had it been so, then they were never changed!!!!! Now when everyone has witnessed Jalal's change, does this need any clarification?

Faith is not about doing anything instantly. You are how you act, not just how you believe. For a moment if Jalal behaves weird, then why should you blame him for that? Isn't it obvious? But then remember! He has his tactics! And that's why he's addressed as tedha.

You never know how much you really believe anyone until its truth of falsehood that becomes a matter of life and death to you. This is the moment for Jalal to prove his trust for Jodha to himself more than to Jodha. Now if this is a matter of life and death for Jalal, will he behave so casually? Will he believe anyone who says anything about Jodha, let it be Maham alone? Now because he is changed, will he never give a second thought to this?

Memory believes before knowing remembers. His memory knows Jodha and what kind of person she is. So will he have that instant doubt? Sometimes certain situations are not so straight as they appear to be. Sometimes its our interpretation which makes them straight, as they are supposed to be. And as far as I know about my "changed Jalal", his interpretation about the meeting between Jodha and Sujamal can never go wrong if he decides to personally handle this situation, without anyone's interference. Will he not?

If someone can't stand for something, then he will fall for anything. Is the "changed Jalal" the kind of person who can be easily trapped, by anyone, at anytime- even if that anyone might have a special place in his life? If Mahamanga has a special place in Jalal's life, doesn't Jodha have that? If Mahamanga has an influence on Jalal, doesn't Jodha have? If Mahamanga has a part of Jalal's mind, then Jodha has Jalal's heart, not a part but entire heart! Now you are smart enough to know who has emerged victorious.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Trust is a very layered and broad range strand Divya. And like love, it doesn't happen. It has to be built...over time and experiences.

Trusting a person in one aspect doesn't mean that their every angle is automatically and unquestionably trusted.
Jalal trusted Jo's purity in FP track. But that doesn't mean that he believed that he is wrong when he doubts her dhakka intentions or her feelings for him. Similarly he now trusts her sense of righteousness. He believes that she cannot stoop and hurt others sentiments as in murthi issue. But that doesn't mean that he has to trust her 100% abject loyalty to the Mughal Sultanate. After the vishpan he trusts her sense of duty blindly and her care in his well being. But he NEED NOT trust her sisterly affections overtaking her sincerity to the Sultanate.
Similarly Jodha trusts Jalal's goodness that he cares for the people and respects a woman's sentiments. He has never crossed the line with her and he will not let harm come in the way of the people he cares. But she need not trust him that as a king he will spare Suja and overlook his attack on Mewar. She is certainly NOT wrong when she chooses to hide Suja from the Sultanate and wish for his safety in her pov.
The total trust you say that completes love will take years to develop Divya. But will shatter in minutes unless it is built strongly. All the events that have helped the couple to drop their nafrat and come closer to each other are not sufficient for that kind of solid trust...yet. But eventually that trust will be built. But it will take time.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashpat

Nice post.


I agree with u that Jalal trust her more now after she drank poisonous kheer to save his life and he did not need proof like before in murti issue. But, I feel this track is a test for Jalal's trust in Jodha. Is his trust strong enough to handle the upcoming allegations on Jodha as helper to supposed traitor "sujamal"? After Jodha saved Jalal's life, he should trust her completely without proof but only time will tell I mean his reaction to upcoming track should seal the fate of his trust on Jodha. He can get upset and mad at her that why did she hide but should not label her as traitor after she proved her loyalty by risking her own life.


Now, about Jodha. I did feel earlier that after Jalal had told jodha that you can come and tell me any bitter news or problems and I promise I will listen to u and solve ur problems; she should have told about sujamal. But, when Jodha told him that her brother cannot be an attacker etc; he dismissed her saying that he is enemy and i don't want to discuss further. If he had listened to her more then may be she would have told him about sujamal. I wanted her to tell that she met sujamal but if she had told him then may be he would have found and killed sujamal bec he did say that he will not leave him. It is a very difficult situation for Jodha.

As I already said Jodha saving Jalal, she proved her loyalty and earned her trust of Jalal (or should I say I hope she did). Now, let's see if Jalal proves his loyalty by supporting her and believing her without proof and therefore earns trust of Jodha. (what I mean by this is Jalal believes that she is NOT a traitor or adultress depending on what MA says. May be he believes that she went to see sujamal to find about the truth and not help him escape- obviosuly Jodha need to tell him why she went to meet sujamal and then believes her).


When I read your post, it reminded me of something I read somewhere " Hope is wishing. Trust is believing. Faith is knowing."

If I use above phrase and put into Jodha and Jalal's context, Jodha and Jalal are still in trust phase; although I feel they both should be in faith stage especially Jalal (after jodha risking her life). What I mean is jodha and jalal believes each other with or without proofs but there will be time soon hopefully after this track ends when they will KNOW that other is right even if someone tries to instigate them against each other.


Jodha and Jalal's trust/faith in each other will also bring them closer and help them confess love to each other. Isn't it obvious that when someone supports or trust you especially when others are against you, one feels elated, proud, respectful and love for other person?


Ayesha






Thanks Ayesha for the detailed post. I like it a lot- particularly the quote as I think through this track they will move both deeper in trust, love, and faith- hopefully, right to the confession!

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