What is trust? - Page 2

Originally posted by: mandyg

trust in itself is a very tricky word..its just like a thin line of hair which can be easily crossed and once crossed its very hard and sometimes next to impossible to build that trust again..jodha by consuming poison proved that nothing is more precious to her more than her husband's life not even her own..jalal trusts her in that respect..but hiding about her bhaisa will hurt him more not because she has committed a crime by hiding a traitor's whereabouts but the fact that he has not been able to win jodha's trust!

and by the end of this track jalal might win jodha's trust on rationale thinking if he acts in a sensible way after knowing the truth or finding the truth himself and not listening to anybody and everybody...and here it all depends on the cvz how they will handle jalal's intellect!

Yes, I hope the CVs show this track of journey of trust for both Jodha and Jalal.

I also think Jalal's biggest hurt will be that Jodha did not trust him!

Originally posted by: kmmdesai

Omg omg... I wrote the exact same thing in your take 5 post. This is scary...🤗

I then found this post and then whoa... two G-girls thinking alike!!!!!

Actually have nothing to add... because you have explained everything I was thinking.

Love

Kshithi

I know - I saw that too! Responding from my phone so no emoticons but we think awfully alike!

Originally posted by: rima4ever

i feel jalal trust jodha to some extent

may be he has gone 2 steps forward

but i feel jodha is still in her old place

she could not go even 2 steps forward

Thanks Rima. Yes, I am also not sure why Jodha is hesitant to take a step forward. Hopefully, this track will solve that.

Nice post divya... I don't know how u end up putting everything in ur post wch is in my mind all my doubts and all my questions... And pta Nahi iss Sujamal track ke baad bhi jalal jodha ko trust karega ya Nahi... And I don't know how to say this tht the cvs are soo brainless as if one person puts her/ his life in danger thn it's obvious for the other person to trust more thn everything... Wat I'm saying is jodha risked her life for jalal but in return he won't trust her when she needs his trust the most... Is it love that does jalal does not even have enough trust for the woman who saved his life...????

Originally posted by: Reemirocks

<font size="3">Good post Divya!</font>

<font size="3">Trust at nascent stage????? Ummm actually no...! I can't really agree on this point. What I think is that this doubt of yours would not have come up, if cv's would not have come up with this particular track. Just because there are faint chances of misunderstanding,(though I'm saying this but somewhere I'm still up with no mu) you can't really question someone's trust for the other. Sometimes circumstances are such that, one may feel so. Being a third person, we can give long lectures on trust, but when it comes to real life, even we might end up doing something wrong. So its not that easy, but keeping Jalal in mind, I would like to mention certain things I had written in one of my posts(for writing this, I neglected the cv's) -</font>

<font size="3">The mind and heart at the same time when open themselves to a new feeling, a new realization, a new urge to trust someone, then they can never return to their original and older phase. Had it been so, then they were never changed!!!!! Now when everyone has witnessed Jalal's change, does this need any clarification?</font>

<font size="3">Faith is not about doing anything instantly. You are how you act, not just how you believe. For a moment if Jalal behaves weird, then why should you blame him for that? Isn't it obvious? But then remember! He has his tactics! And that's why he's addressed as tedha.</font>

<font size="3">You never know how much you really believe anyone until its truth of falsehood that becomes a matter of life and death to you. This is the moment for Jalal to prove his trust for Jodha to himself more than to Jodha. Now if this is a matter of life and death for Jalal, will he behave so casually? Will he believe anyone who says anything about Jodha, let it be Maham alone? Now because he is changed, will he never give a second thought to this?</font>

<font size="3">Memory believes before knowing remembers.His memory knows Jodha and what kind of person she is. So will he have that instant doubt?Sometimes certain situations are not so straight as they appear to be. Sometimes its our interpretation which makes them straight, as they are supposed to be. And as far as I know about my "changed Jalal", his interpretation about the meeting between Jodha and Sujamal can never go wrong if he decides to personally handle this situation, without anyone's interference. Will he not?</font>

<font size="3">If someone can't stand for something, then he will fall for anything.Is the "changed Jalal" the kind of person who can be easily trapped, by anyone, at anytime- even if that anyone might have a special place in his life? If Mahamanga has a special place in Jalal's life, doesn't Jodha have that? If Mahamanga has an influence on Jalal, doesn't Jodha have? If Mahamanga has a part of Jalal's mind, then Jodha has Jalal's heart, not a part but entire heart! Now you are smart enough to know who has emerged victorious.</font>

Thanks so much for the detailed post! Loved your points very much.

I am also not assuming a MU- however, regardless I was curious on whether Jalal had proven his trust and whether this was why Jodha was not trusting Jalal fully yet.

I also think that Jalal should think on his own on how he trusts Jodha. I love how you say Jodha has his entire heart- so the outcome is quite obvious!

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Trust is a very layered and broad rangestrand Divya. And like love, it doesn't happen. It has to be built...over time and experiences. </font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Trusting a person in one aspect doesn't mean that their every angle is automatically and unquestionably trusted. </font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Jalal trusted Jo's purity in FP track. But that doesn't mean that he believed that he is wrong when he doubts her dhakka intentions or her feelings for him. Similarly he now trusts her sense of righteousness. He believes that she cannot stoop and hurt others sentiments as in murthi issue. But that doesn't mean that he has to trust her 100% abject loyalty to the Mughal Sultanate. After the vishpan he trusts her sense of duty blindly and her care in his well being. But heNEED NOTtrust her sisterly affections overtaking her sincerity to the Sultanate.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Similarly Jodha trusts Jalal's goodness that he cares for the people and respects a woman's sentiments. He has never crossed the line with her and he will not let harm come in the way of the people he cares. But she need not trust him that as a king he will spare Suja and overlook his attack on Mewar. She is certainly NOT wrong when she chooses to hide Suja from the Sultanate and wish for his safety in her pov.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">The total trust you say that completes love will take years to develop Divya. But will shatter in minutes unless it is built strongly. All the events that have helped the couple to drop their nafrat and come closer to each other are not sufficient for that kind of solid trust...yet. But eventually that trust will be built. But it will take time. </font>

Thanks Sandhya for the beautiful post. I created this post as I am trying to understand what trust and you have described the stages / types of trust wonderfully. I think you are absolutely right that Jodha and Jalal feel this trust in different ways.

Hopefully Jodha and Jalal will reach this state of solid trust.

Originally posted by: divyavm

Thanks so much for the detailed post! Loved your points very much.

I am also not assuming a MU- however, regardless I was curious on whether Jalal had proven his trust and whether this was why Jodha was not trusting Jalal fully yet.

I also think that Jalal should think on his own on how he trusts Jodha. I love how you say Jodha has his entire heart- so the outcome is quite obvious!

Hi , Divya. Trust by itself once given to some person worthy of it is something hard to break, that s my take on it. Jalal has shown trust on Jodha s character in the fake pregnancy track although many might say with the help of Salima begum. At this point of time, he wasn't aware of what his feelings were for Jodha , but still had trust in her , enough to prove her innocent. I wont talk about the dhakka night unless CVs r prepared to come out of their amnesia towards resolving it 😕 . Next, the recent Murti kaand, Jalal showed his trust on Jodha s morals again & knew she wouldnt stoop to bring religion into the harem election issue. Ofcourse, he went to question her about it just to confirm from her own mouth that his judgement is correct.

Coming to the Sujamal issue, though Jodha knows her bhaisa well & that he wont break his promise of harming Jalal, the point here is Sujamal hasn't had a good track record recently for peoples to trust him. However much he was the rightful heir to the Amer throne , but his means of regaining it by joining hands with the Mughals didn't put him in a good light. He became traitor to both the Amerians & other Rajvanshis. One big black mark against him.

Next, Sujamal s recent attack on Mewat held under Jalal s authority. So why did Suja attack here knowing that it was his sister s sasuraal? Did he attack only bcos he wanted to revenge himself on Cheapuddin who d cheated him previously in the Amer war? This am not sure about if Mewat was under Cheapu s subedari ( someone pls clarify). So if his intent was to get back on Cheapu, toh maanlete hain he did it to take badla on Cheapu. But the blackmark again on him is it s still Jalal s territory, so Jalal has all rights to be angry on him & do away with Suja. To compound probs, Jalal s cousins were killed seemingly from the back that has made Jalal even more angry with Suja on this cowardly behaviour.

Next is the recent Jashn attack on Jalal. Though it sounds so unconvincing to us that Cheapu framed Suja for it, we still have questions on why the dead man wasnt investigated more thoroughly to get at more truths about the actual assassin. So now Jalal s flamingly angry with Suja & declares him a state traitor, to be brought to him alive or dead. Nothing wrong with Jalal here, I d say.

Now coming to Jodha, she s slowing started , not trusting as such but, believes that Jalal keeps his words. She s discovered that his heart is indeed very much alive & kicking for his near & dear ones & also some of the acts he has done for his praja has shown her that he can be very kind too & listens & understands others' point of view & even carries them out if he finds them of value. So Jodha knows he is very fair too. But Jodha knows Suja as a person too, the one who taught her various skills including Rajvanshi code of honor during battle as well as some battle field skills. So Jodha is not able to believe neither on his peet peeche ke vaar on Jalal s people nor that he d try to kill Jalal knowing he is his dear s sister Jodha s husband & that too after he s given her a promise of not harming her suhaag ( does this mean Jo is aware that it was Cheapu who killed Suryaban bcos Suja gave that promise to Jo around that time only na). So Jo though she knows Suja is now both a traitor of Amer as well as Mughals still believes Suja wouldn't attack her husband & she s right in her place too . Trust from Jodha on Jalal to do the right thing hasn't been so clearly shown in the show , so am not able to comment on it.

PS: My comment turned too long, Divya, phew, sorry. But let me conclude saying the serialwale & their CVs have their own weird thoughts on what is trust & just keeps it coming & going between the leads as they please, so a big MU might happen or not. But still I want to keep some trust on Jalal & the extremely clever grey matter he has that he uses sparingly 😛 . Maybe CV s d surprise us & make him use it this time around 😉

Very good post divya

Originally posted by: NikkiReed

Nice post divya... I don't know how u end up putting everything in ur post wch is in my mind all my doubts and all my questions... And pta Nahi iss Sujamal track ke baad bhi jalal jodha ko trust karega ya Nahi... And I don't know how to say this tht the cvs are soo brainless as if one person puts her/ his life in danger thn it's obvious for the other person to trust more thn everything... Wat I'm saying is jodha risked her life for jalal but in return he won't trust her when she needs his trust the most... Is it love that does jalal does not even have enough trust for the woman who saved his life...????