Its NOT Paro's JOB to fix Rudra!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am so sick of soaps creating flawed, messed up heros and then dumping a reluctant heroine into their lives, with the instructions to "fix" him! As if tying a mangalsutra around a woman's neck gives her magic powers to change a man from the inside out! Why must the man be so broken he is basically un-marriagable? Marriage is never shown for the real reason it exists---to find a partner, a fellow being to go through life with. Its never entered into with seriousness, or even with the woman's consent.

Why? Aren't soaps escapism? Then whats with the horrible portrayal of marriage? How can we say Indian soaps or even this serial glorifies romance or shows tradition if the shows insist on making marriage, highest form of that romance, a burden, or a trap?


The hero's temper, his hatred---a woman is not a wife, she is a nurse, or a punching bag, or a victim who will take and take and take. Its her "kismet." And we, the audience, we cheer when the poor thing gets a roll on the bed or a grab of the arm because hey, the hero is "falling" in love with the victim who he's trapped.


I know this is blasphemy and I am going against the romantic idea of the love of a good woman fixing a broken man, but enough, already!


Here is my take on the situation---Rudra's PARENTS failed him. Unlike ASR, from the show that must not be named, the Major's parents are both alive. They didn't kill themselves, leaving the kids to cruel relatives. Rudra's parents are educated, they are relatively wealthy, they are loving parents in flashbacks. The Thakurain, or whoever the mysterious birthday-girl/runaway is --she is not far away, since she chats on the phone with her spineless devar often. Disher literally goes with Rudra everywhere.


For fifteen years, these two have had the responsibility of a son. Dilsher at least had the sense to remove Rudra from Kakisa's house early on. From what we have seen of Dilsher, he is not a fool, and he does love his Rudra Dev, in his sarcastic way. He is hardly a stupid drunkard who is a monster, as we first thought he might be. And if the mom is the Thakurain, she is a woman very capable of love, she has practically brought up Paro.


And they BOTH failed Rudra.


That Rudra is damaged, vicious, an animal---all of this is not Paro's problem, OR for that matter, Laila's. That is Dilsher's, and the Thakurian/mother's problem. They dropped the ball. For once, I would have liked to see Rudra fighting his instincts and learning to leave his childhood inside that box with the doll. To come to a realization that his father, who has been wrong about so much, is also wrong about this. I don't want him, the "hero", to trap Paro into marriage, when she literally has nowhere else to go. I don't like him doing this knowing Paro respects marriage and that he is incapable of that respect.


Today we found out Rudra consciously knows he is damaged, and that his dad did something wrong. Then why cant he, a warrior, fight THIS as well? Why cant the story be about him fixing himself, and Paro being the inspiration for that, as opposed to the fixer?


Why is Dilsher even demanding that his lava filled son marry anyone, anyway? He created the Jallad. He takes pride in the hatred and the bile when it suits him. He laughs with glee when his son stands up to his enemy. In flashbacks, we saw him emotionally torture Rudra. But how do you do that to a son for 15 years and then think he is capable of any human bonds?


Dilsher should not be surprised that the son who calls him "Ranawat" and not Babu-ji is not ready for relationships. So how is Rudra marrying going to be anything but hell for the girl, and for Rudra too? How is Paro the solution to a problem that Dilsher has created? WHY should she be?


Soap walo parents--deal with your kids. Create healthy human beings. Do what Paro's family did--give even the orphans and the unfortunate ones a stable happy home. Don't ask or compel or blackmail a nice, kind girl who did nothing to harm you to come in and marry the hell spawn you have created. Don't stand by in group-photo setups while the woman who has been forced into this "marriage" gets harmed again and again through your monstrous son in the name of "passionate love."

Don't create stereotypes that insult marriage and don't celebrate when your heroine is made a mockery, because she is a woman, and her "role" is to suffer.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Completely and whole heartedly agree with you.

In real life no one would be with men like Rudra and the character who shall not be named. They all look great on screen, but beyond that they posses nothing that would make a relationship work- respect, love, trust and a willingness to adjust.

But having said that I have seen this happen in real life. Many families get their badly behaved son married to a girl in the hope that marriage will change them, their wife will fix them up. One of my close friends got married to such a guy who had anger issues and would end up beating her up. Their marriage had been arranged by his family who believed that a wife would make him reign hi anger.

To me personally this is a TV show. as long as they show a good character progression and show that the guy does change eventually, the guy is remorseful to his action and the guy in ways more than one redeems himself I'm happy to overlook this stereotype. Which is where the show that shall not be name failed miserably for me.

However the one thing I won't accept is domestic abuse being passed off as passion and intensity. I spoke against it strongly during past shows and will do so if it comes up after their marriage.
Edited by Naach_Basanti - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Its why I have given up on Indian soaps, but for Sanaya, I catch an episode of Rangrasiya every once in a while.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Agree with you napster...
Damaged heroes make good soaps...that's why you see them so often...and yes it is not fair for the heroine to get the raw deal always...and it is very stereotypical to assume that she will fix everything...Why should she be made to put up with it? She deserves better...

Recently I gave up watching a show I shall not name, because they tried to milk the formula...and made it ugly...The heroine was abused...which was supposedly equivalent to somebody's idea of passion. he male lead was a lier, a fake...I couldn't see any entertainment value in it...

But

Also gave up watching on another show I shall not name...where the hero was a gentleman...very self focused...but couldn't harm a fly...always had his manners...and the heroine was of course whiter than white...I gave up on that too...because it got predictable and boring...and there was no attraction between the male and the female lead...They came with a check list...if the female lead met all the criteria he must fall in love with her...really? 😔

What has kept me engaged with RR so far...that it is neither...Rudra Dev may be damaged goods...but he is capable of caring...and he does care ...without faking it...Not only is he caring...he is brave, and he is a patriot...Qualities that I like...on the other side...he is rough, not respectful, and quite self centered...at least so far...None qualities I like...but I am optimistic on the self centered part...

Any way...what I am saying...is that the stories are always the same...with slight variation...Not expecting a miracle there...but what is important is ...

Do I want to turn on the computer and watch Rudra?
Do I want to watch Paro?
Do find their interactions exciting and interesting?

The answer is an emphatic yes on all three accounts...so far...🤪
If any of those characters or their interactions became boring or unattractive...I will make an exit...but so far...I am able to ignore the rest...the family dramatics, the stereotypical Saas, male characters who are despicable and enjoy at least these two characters, whatever their background may be...😃



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Rightly said! For once I would love to see the tables turned.

@NB ... Rudra's character is based upon othello rite? From that I see him progressing but still having issues such as trust and self esteem. Does anyone have a character analysis on othello I did when I was In high school hardly remember anything now doe
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Naach_Basanti

Completely and whole heartedly agree with you.

In real life no one would be with men like Rudra and the character who shall not be named. They all look great on screen, but beyond that they posses nothing that would make a relationship work- respect, love, trust and a willingness to adjust.

But having said that I have seen this happen in real life. Many families get their badly behaved son married to a girl in the hope that marriage will change them, their wife will fix them up. One of my close friends got married to such a guy who had anger issues and would end up beating her up. Their marriage had been arranged by his family who believed that a wife would make him reign hi anger.

To me personally this is a TV show. as long as they show a good character progression and show that the guy does change eventually, the guy is remorseful to his action and the guy in ways more than one redeems himself I'm happy to overlook this stereotype. Which is where the show that shall not be name failed miserably for me.

However the one thing I won't accept is domestic abuse being passed off as passion and intensity. I spoke against it strongly during past shows and will do so if it comes up after their marriage.


The problem for me with that show, quite honestly, is that until the last shot of the final scene, I was never quite sure, anymore than the heroine herself probably was, on WHY he loved her-- was it her, or was it just animal attraction? He was as irritated by her antics towards the end as he was at the beginning, only ASR by the end was able to deal with his gussa a touch more sanely. I could never decide whether her lower class state would be something he would forgive her for, in a way.The whole Mrs India final story-line left a bad taste in my mouth, like the KSG who was on the motorcycle in the first episode was dead and gone, and here we had this ASR approved doll on stage who had changed her very self for her man. In the end, ASR's "aukat" won, and KKG's "gurur" did not. It was sad for me.

Now, having said that about IPK, I am getting worried for RR. I for one HATE kitchen dramatics, which IPK had mercifully little of. But RR has shown potential of blowing all the stereotypes away. Such huge themes--patriotism, betrayal, country vs self-sacrifice--and the acting is first rate. They need to explore Paro's culpability, the Birpur villager's blind faith angle, the story about the baraatis, who they are, the story about the missing brides of Birpur. They can bring in the Thakur's life, on his plans, on corruption in the Army, how deep it goes into the BSD. On Rudra's guilt, on hell, Rudra and Aman's bonds as brothers in arms.

I didn't know I signed up for masala mami and the submissive sisterhood of the traveling ghagras. If the story becomes a hate-marriage with us breathlessly munching popcorn as we chart exactly how many times Rudra's fingers brushed Paro's kamariya while he was manhandling her TODAY versus the last time--- I'm out.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT OF DAMAGED HERO WHO NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED BY THE HEROINE AND SHE TAKE UP ALL HIS SORROW PAIN AND HIS ABUSES AND SCOLDINGS .ATLEAST FOR A CHANGE IT SHOULD BE REVERSE OF IT WHERE LIKE HEROINE GIVES BACK IT TO HIM AND NOT BE A BACHARI ABLA NAARI .ITS REALLY BORING PLZZZ CV'SSS MAKE PARO A STRONG WOMAN WHO SHOULD STAND UP AGAINST EVERYONE EVEN RUDRA AND NOT JUST GIVE UP OR COMPROMISE EVEN IN THIS MARRIAGE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A COMPROMISE MARRIAGE FOR PARO
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi I guess I gotta unres...
but the thing is i dunno if i have much to say..
my expectations are close to nil...its entertainment very superficial one at that ..but it gives me a point of contact with other women here i guess.

I find it hard pressed to take themes and discuss it stemming from the show...

the "grey" hero seems to be a fad...but even with that they are formulaic like there is only one way to be grey ...and they are not willing to explore ...
I wish with all the channels and multiple shows that they would be willing to experiment a bit more explore a bit more...but then again i get to sit at my computer at a convenient hour and just spout stuff i don't invest anything...

Its time to see a Desdomena I guess a girl who falls in love with love and the idea of romance, and the thrill of a world that does not resemble hers ...not a do gooder but an innocent...not a crusader but a selfish one...

would they be able to sell Laila as is as a heroine????

a heroine who desires sex... and her realizations and transformation and with that they can keep their damaged hero too..so he and her can both put balm of each other...
Edited by CravingKhana - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hear Hear!!! 👏👏 A bit much to expect Paro, the girl who he's given so much grief to, to sign up for more grief from the monster. I'm not keen to see her pay and pay and pay endlessly. I say, CVs find another way.

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Originally posted by: napstermonster



<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">The problem for me with that show, quite honestly, is that until the last shot of the final scene, I was never quite sure, anymore than the heroine herself probably was, on WHY he loved her-- was it her, or was it just animal attraction? He was asirritatedby her antics towards the end as he was at the beginning, only ASR by the end was able to deal with his gussa a touch more sanely. I could never decide whether her lower class state would be something he would forgive her for, in a way.The whole Mrs India final story-line left a bad taste in my mouth, like the KSG who was on the motorcycle in the first episode was dead and gone, and here we had this ASR approved doll on stage who had changed her very self for her man. In the end, ASR's "aukat" won, and KKG's "gurur" did not. It was sad for me.

Now, having said that about IPK, I am getting worried for RR. I for one HATE kitchen dramatics, which IPK had mercifully little of. But RR has shown potential of blowing all the stereotypes away. Such huge themes--patriotism, betrayal, country vs self-sacrifice--and the acting is first rate. They need to explore Paro's culpability, the Birpur villager's blind faith angle, the story about the baraatis, who they are, the story about the missing brides of Birpur. They can bring in the Thakur's life, on his plans, on corruption in the Army, how deep it goes into the BSD. On Rudra's guilt, on hell, Rudra and Aman's bonds as brothers in arms.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">I didn't know I signed up for masala mami and the submissive sisterhood of the traveling ghagras. If the story becomes a hate-marriage with us breathlessly munching popcorn as we chart exactly how many times Rudra's fingers brushed Paro's kamariya while he was manhandling her TODAY versus the last time--- I'm out.</font>



Hear hear. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy Kaaki. But this week I haven't enjoyed her as much. The novelty is wearing off and all I can see a woman with a caustic tongue who sprouts offensive rubbish all the time. Show me more of yesterday's episode, their conversations that make him think, their measured words, the unspoken words that convey much more, basanti will be happy. There is only so much of family drama one can take. But I understand that they are catering to a varied audience, I just hope they balance the family polictics with the good stuff.

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