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Posted: 7 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Rhodogun is clearly Sisygambis. There was no other member of the Persian royal family of whom Olympias was so jealous and whom she hated so virulently. Then again, this
Rhodogun is linked to Stateira, and thus can be no no one but Sisygambis.

The Alexander Romance, in its earliest extant, Greek version, dates back to the 3rd century AD, or 500 years or more after the death of Alexander. I have the Pseudo-Callisthenes version in English, as also the Armenian version of Wolohojian. I am yet to read either of them, but after reading these extracts, I must make a beginning with it!

Shyamala Aunty

Very difficult to understand text...very boring infact 😆e
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Posted: 7 years ago
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What a lovely, moving letter! So tender and loving, especially the part about singing :"the sweetest boy" to sleep, like our lori. And the confession that wrings one's heart: For I have nothing but you... A mother loves too much.The tragedy of her never having been able to see him again after he left for Persia.

She loved her son above all else and above herself, and was always afraid that harm might come to him from an associate, even more than from an enemy. So she did not even trust Hephaestion?

How I wish he had heeded her call and gone back!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: luckySnow

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This letter from Olympia to Alexander asking him to come back...timeline I think is Indian invasion...

''Trust no one, that correneus, elipad, ptomely all Lykos waiting to take my lion. About Haphestian I am undecided, thou decide thyself. Now you have crossed the seas, proud be dinosyus of thou. You married a shining star; won wealth and glory. Eagle is fying highest; now is the time to come back to my embrace. For I have nothing but you. To whom shall I sing to sleep.I wish- I wish we could spend more time together. Like we used to when you were the sweetest boy. A mother loves too much and eternal; difficult to escape from a mother. One day, you will understand this. ''

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Posted: 7 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: sashashyam

What a lovely, moving letter! So tender and loving, especially the part about singing :"the sweetest boy" to sleep, like our lori. And the confession that wrings one's heart: For I have nothing but you... A mother loves too much.The tragedy of her never having been able to see him again after he left for Persia.

She loved her son above all else and above herself, and was always afraid that harm might come to him from an associate, even more than from an enemy. So she did not even trust Hephaestion?

How I wish he had heeded her call and gone back!

Shyamala Aunty


Haphestian and elipad wrote back to her... Urging her to stop querreling with him...''Stop quarrelling with us and do not be angry or menacing. If you persist, we shall not be much disturbed. You know that Alexander means more to us than anything."

Plutarch or arrian not clear...no Zeus in this letter also but some dinosys
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Posted: 7 years ago
#34
This is really a very interesting story. I like this much better than the others I have come across.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: luckySnow

Did Alexander really killed his father...

There was a man called Pausanias, an important person, a wealthy Thessalonian, and he had a very large and powerful army. He fell in love with Olympiasand sent minions to persuade her that she should leave Philip and marry him. Olympias did not agree to this. So Pausanias conceived a scheme, and made inquiries about Alexanderto find when he would be out of the country. And when the time came and Alexander was at war with certain cities and the dramatic contests were going on, Pausanias learned that Alexander was abroad and Philip was at the festival. So he went, sword in hand, and hurled his weapon at Philip and was successful in stabbing him through the ribs. He did not die at once. There was great excitement in the city. Pausanias made haste to enter the palace while Philip was still alive, wishing to carry off Olympias. So he went in while Philip was drawing his last breath and suffering more from grief than from his wound. He was groaning and lamenting that, while he was alive, his wife was being wed to another by force. He longed too to see Alexander, who had been away a long time, for he remembered his ingenuity and his courage. He said to those about him: "If Alexander had been here, an enemy would not have attempted to commit a crime against his father and his mother. And if through an evil nature a man made an attempt, he was caught and he perished. And now, in great pain and sorrow, I approach the end of my life. But I say to you: when my son Alexander comes, tell him: 'Your father Philip thinks it fitting that through your mighty hand his death and the rape of your mother Olympias should be avenged.'"

At this very hour, the victorious Alexander returned and, seeing great excitement, he demanded the cause. He learned what had happened and that Pausanias was in the palace. He entered with his bodyguard and saw Pausanias embracing Olympias. And drawing his sword, he wished to stab him, but feared lest Olympias too should be killed. And Olympias said, "Throw your lance, my son, for Ammonsustains me." And Alexander threw it and struck and mortally wounded Pausanias. So, having learned that his father was still alive, he dragged Pausanias to him and said: "I am here, Father, to wreak vengeance on your enemies. Live, king: Your name is immortal. Behold your foe, Pausanias, captured, standing before you, trembling." Philip, looking at him, no longer able to speak because of the loss of blood and weakness, gathered his forces, and, kissing Alexander, by gesture ordered that the sword be handed to him. Then, while Alexander feared for him, he dealt with his own hands the fatal blow to Pausanias and straightway killed him.

When he had dispatched his foe, Philip quickly regained strength and, because of the presence of Alexander and the proper vengeance, he said: "My child Alexander, it has been decreed that you be ruler of the world. Remember your father Philip and do not refuse to call me father. For my fate has been fulfilled. I do not grieve that I am dying, for I have been avenged; and I myself slew my enemy. Truthfully, then, did Ammon say to your mother, 'You have in your womb a male child who shall fructify you and shall avenge his father's death.' " With these words, he died. And Alexander in lamentation said: "Philip, father, King of kings, while you lived, no one despised you and did not pay for it. By awkward stroke your arm has dispatched Pausanias. How has perished from his wound the ruler of the world? The CyclopsPausanias sent you to the gods before your time, and straightway justice dealt out to him his fitting reward." After this lament, Alexander prepared for him a magnificent grave and he laid the body in it and consecrated a shrine over the grave. Now when Olympias learned what had happened and the Macedonianswere in a tumult, the presence of Alexander calmed them.

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Posted: 7 years ago
#35
She knew that Alexander would never punish he no matter what she did. Many of her violent deeds have blackened the name and fame of Alexander for no fault of his.

Shyamala Aunty

Anyways Olympia kills the baby and wives of Philip
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Posted: 7 years ago
#36
There are many versions of Philip death story...As nakli sony oracle said Lok assume karte raheinge for centuries
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

She knew that Alexander would never punish he no matter what she did. Many of her violent deeds have blackened the name and fame of Alexander for no fault of his.

Shyamala Aunty


Like in arrian he say to Elipad who tells him about her mistreatment of aristotle , she is my mother she will do whatever she desires...

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Posted: 7 years ago
#38
Lykos means wolf...👍🏼 in Greek found it
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Posted: 7 years ago
#39
Absolutely. But he did also call himself the son of Zeus-Amon, and claimed divine status from all the states of Greece. His associates called him the divine Alexander, for that made them feel safer in the protection of a divinity.

I think what he says in this letter @bold should go under the head of mock modesty. I also wonder what he means when he refers to having tested the wisdom of Sisygambis.

Originally posted by: inlieu

I loved this one! Clearly the CVs haven't read this or if they have, decided to ignore it. Otherwise we wouldn't keep hearing Zeus ka beta!

Alexander seems to be far more humble in these letters than Sony Alexander with respect to his god-like status. 😆

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Posted: 7 years ago
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What do you think he means by the part in bold? How could Olympias, in Macedonia, send him the possessions of Sisygambis and Stateira I?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: luckySnow

Even to Roxane he wrote himself like this...here too it's all about mummy..

''Alexander sends greetings to Roxane. When I wrote to my mother Olympias about other matters that had come up, I enjoined upon her to send to me the possessions, jewelry and robes, of the mother of Darius and of his wife Stateira''

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