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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

If u will read book related chanakya u will get ur answer, infact i read book about chanakya which do give a lot of detail of king puru. Its lame excuse that alexender army was not willing 2 fight given by Greek scholars but reality is something diff. Alexander after fighting poras has 2 fight with maghad with whom his defeat was almost certain, there many other reasons of alexander returning ,

I m not saying i m 100% right coz there many theories but i read what i wrote & i can be wrong coz i m definately not from that era
But theories i read says maybe king poras dint lost or d war was a draw.

Akhand bharat ki shuruvat, this book was published in 1971 , i will say basically is actually chanakya's biography coz this book mostly tells his story but in this book there is one whole page is dedicated 2 poras which claims he was a chandravanshi raja , his father name was chandrasen & puru's mother died in his teenage due 2 some illness & he had a brother name laghu raj, when puru was coronated as king his kingdom was 2 small only upto river jhelum but puru extended his kingdom till river chenab,king abhisara who ruled nowshera & poonch was a close friend of poras & ambhiraj was against both poras & abhisara but he also surrender 2 alexander like ambhiraj.
This book say that after dhanand refused 2 help chanakya, he approached poras was a powerful king & well known 4 his bravery. Relationship b/w pourav rashtra & takshila only formed after alexander & poras fight , as after that poras's daughter was married 2 ambhiraj , alexander made poras king of takshila 2.
This book states that chanakya had prepared an army of vishkanya, he used it on alexander's army as he used 2 believe that a warrior should always be targeted on heart.

This book had very limited copies left , as my cousin sister was working on her history project regarding chanakya, so she issued d book from our city library , i steal this info from there.

Ambhi raj is Puru's uncle then how can he marry puru' s daughter?😲
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: SweetRogue


He didn't forgive porus, he just accepted the latter's surrender. Besides, there's nothing to forgive Porus wasn't rebelling, he was just doing what any king would do, defending his kingdom. Besides if Alexander didn't win, how did the Greeks establish colonies in India? And Alexander was a good politician too. He knew he couldn't stay in India, his soldiers were starting to rebel so he left some people like selucus in charge and let the Indian kings he conquered maintain their own ilusion of power


This is another reason why historians doubt the claim of Greeks having won the Battle

This is because one of the major dreams of Alexander was to win India (as his teacher Aristotle had given him a great impression about this place. There wasnt any united India, but still they did consider themselves as Aryavarti or Bharatvashis)

Anyhow so a person comes with winning India being one of his objectives and drops the plan just as he is about to fulfill this goal. Does that make any sense? And why because his soldiers rebelled, can anything get more weird than this? I mean the greatest generals of all times couldn't even manage a rebel by his own soldiers.

About how Greeks established colonies in India, I have already given you the reason in the previous posts
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Priya258

Ambhi raj is Puru's uncle then how can he marry puru' s daughter?😲


Not the Ambhiraj of this show, but Ambhi Kumar.

Secondly this show, shows Ambhi Kumar to be equal in age and a cousin of Ambhi Kumar but actually he was one generation elder to all ChandraGupta Maurya, Ambhi Raj and Alexander.

Plus there is no proof that he was anyway related to the royal family of Taxshila
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I thought Alexander's dream was to conquer all of the known world which the Greeks thought ended in India. His had been a long drawn campaign and he had suffered many losses in India too. The soldiers had already started rebelling by the time they conquered Bactria I guess. Alexander persuaded them to cross the Bias but the Indian conquests were some of the most difficult they had ever faced. Besides Indians had something they had never seen, Elephants. It is believed that the Battle of Hydapses was the costliest battles Alexander ever fought. There is no doubt Purushottama or Porus gave him great resistance. Alexander sent many Messengers to reason with Porus didn't he? But as for Porus actually winning, I doubt it. Besides the Greeks were scared of the Nanda army which was huge. That's the main reason why they moved towards Punjab/ Pourav Rashtra. This may also be the reason why they decided to turn back.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I heard that india's climatic conditions were also not favouring alexander's army.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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So far, they have shown nothing of the legendary Macedonian fighting tactics. As I noted in my latest post about Halicarnassus, Siddharth Kumar Tewary's notion of their battle tactics is for Alexander & Co. to give a spirited imitation of a farmer scything down the wheat crop in his field, with some kicks thrown in as a variation.😉

We have not yet been shown the famous and almost invulnerable Macedonian phalanx - a solid, impenetrable wall of serried shields - or the formations equipped with the feared 18 foot lance, thesarissa, that was one of Philip's most valuable contributions for strengthening his superb military machine, the Macedonian army that Alexander inherited.

Then there are bits that defy credibility, like this one at the battle of the Granicus. Though the sequence, when Alexander's general (hs name seems to upset the IF software, which reduces is to cl***s) saves Alexander's life by cutting off the arm of his assailant, is apparently historically accurate - what was unbelievable was the way in which Alexander, a superb warrior, was shown sitting paralysed on the ground, simply waiting for the assailant to strike. He does not roll sideways and try to get away, which is what any shrewd fighter would have done. It was ridiculous. 😡

And as for the victory at Halicarnassus, it was all, as they say of magic shows, smoke and mirrors. The one shown in the serial, that is, not the real one, which was a solid blood and guts affair. If you happen to read my Halicarnassus post, I would be interested in your take on a plausible solution to this mystery.

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Originally posted by: SweetRogue

I watched a documentary about the battle of hydapses called Battles BC. Don't Know how authentic it is, historically speaking but it showed great tactics and explained how Alexander defeated Porus. Makes me wonder if they'll show any of those tactics in this show. I watched the first few episodes and haven't watched this show since. Just wanted to know what the regular viewers think.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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as far as i know alex won and appointed Porus as satrap after his surrender

Hope stupid writers dont show Alex losing as Puru kuch Adhur nhi chodta...As whole serial us based pn that battle
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Radiant_Eyes_

as far as i know alex won and appointed Porus as satrap after his surrender

Hope stupid writers dont show Alex losing as Puru kuch Adhur nhi chodta...As whole serial us based pn that battle

Makers can show anything if they can show a yubraj himself going to faras vishkanya so it's possible they can show puru win bhale hi reality alag ho😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I read through a very interesting discussion on this post about the debate on whether Porus or Alexander won the battle. Here are some facts I have read myself on the entire thing -
1) Alexander's exploits were mainly documented by Plutarch, Arrian and some others who were historians living at least 200 yrs after the death of Alexander. They collected stories by speaking to the generals related to Alexander's army and their descendants to write their account.
That brings up a question about the accuracy and exaggeration/moderation of the exploits of Alexander - we cannot believe it cent percent as per text and must try to separate the logical from the exaggerated bits.
For Arrian writes that we must think Alexander as a God. So there is a lot of Greek sentimentalism and devotion mixed in this account which makes it not completely dependable. In Iran and many places of modern persia, he is never called Alexander the great but Alexander of Macedonia. It is because Alexander is accused of having destroyed a lot of their old cultural places and texts etc in his conquests. But after a conquest, Alexander was clever enough to know that a stable empire needs to integrate - so he encouraged the mixing of the west and east via cultural exchange and marriage.

That aside, Alexander was truly a genius of war for his times. His tactics are truly legendary. And this is why I come to the next point.

2) The idea that Alexander retreated from India because of the revolt of his homesick soldiers is still debatable - accounts tell us that Alexander was clever enough to not charge into every battle with the same soldiers. He had a clever rotational system in his army by which after every interval of some time, some groups of men were sent home with women and riches while fresh troops from Macedonia and other conquered places joined his army. Thus, there is no question of his army being homesick!
Then how does a revolt occur, we might ask?
Well, here is my conjecture. Chanakya was already using people to spread rumours in Alexander's army about the scary elephants and black magic practised by the mysterious Indians. To outsiders, our ascetics practising yoga by hanging from the trees or doing a yagna infront of a fire would seem like black magic indeed. And Macedonians were alarmed by black magic as goes history by their reaction to how Olympia worshipped her god.
Moreover, after the battle (forget who wins or loses at the moment) the two kings met and Porus is said to have been asked about what lay further east. Porus told them about the huge army of Magadha with thousands of men and cavalry and elephants. If anything, the thousands of elephants bit is bound to have scared them as just 85 elephants of Porus caused great damage to their army. Question - Was it a strategy of Porus the intelligent statesman to make sure his words intimidated the enemy?

3) After the battle, we find Alexander returning Porus his kingdom and also giving him additional territories. This is something he never did for any other king as far as I know because Porus was not the only honourable king he defeated and then killed. By common sense, only a victor or someone with the upper hand walks away from a war with both his life and kingdom plus extra land to boot.

4) After the battle, the Macedonians travelled south along the river until they reached the coast and then turned west. Question is why would a conqueror who wanted to win the world, dreamt of winning India/Aryavrat of the time promptly turn away after that one fierce battle? Alexander was a great statesman and strict general to his soldiers - as we have disproved the homesickness theory, we have to ask could not Alexander control his men and order them to march ahead to secure his dream?
Logic states that after the fierce battle where his army is accounted to have suffered heavy losses if Alexander won the battle, his men are either afraid of more losses OR if Alexander lost the battle or it was a stalemate, his men are afraid of losing what little life they have left.
But if he won the battle, it should have motivated his army to move ahead. There is no greater motivator than a victory. But they do not move further east but go south instead towards gujarat coast.
Question is why. My logic says that either the Macedonians lost or they arrived at a stalemate against Porus. A stalemate means that Porus's forces ensured that even if they did not win, they dealt so much damage that any victory won by Alexander would produce no positive rewards. In short, the battle probably stopped when both camps realized that neither party was walking away from the place alive and happy. Both sides must then have met and struck a truce. Alexander would not attack Porus, and would give him more land in exchange for his friendship/calling off the war. As by accounts, we know that the overture of peacetalks came from the Macedonian side, as porus was initially ready to fight and die and not sit to talk.

Logic states that Greek historians would not be so praising of Porus' valour if he had not at some point become friendly with their people.

5) Interesting fact is why does Alexander not take the known route he took to come to india...but he takes a new and dangerous route rife with more enemies and battles - logic states that there must have been some obstacle to the army returning by the route they had come...I believe in the stalemate theory. A army cannot march thorugh a place if they have not conquered it. Something must have blocked their way back and forced them to journey southwards. The only army to do so logically becomes the Pauravas who by my logic had won those territories back from Alexander in the truce pact they agreed upon.

These are my views on it. This is probably why even the American movie Alexander (unbiased by greek or indian perspective) did not show the result of that battle. Alexander is shown injured and carried away from the battle, sees the damage and then he gets up later and declares that they should go home now.

In my opinion, whatever be the outcome of that battle, Alexander was forced to abandon his dream halfway in either case.





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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Radiant_Eyes_

as far as i know alex won and appointed Porus as satrap after his surrender

Hope stupid writers dont show Alex losing as Puru kuch Adhur nhi chodta...As whole serial us based pn that battle


Even the Western movies don't show Alexander winning as historians are not sure Of the result.

Porus being the Satrap is no where mentioned but Greek sources show Alexander as the winner

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