Why, Naren?! - Page 3

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I've never heard this version of Chhaap Tilak before either...I'm more familiar with Kailash Kher's version of the song which I love...but this was quite nice too...and yes, I appreciated the hatke aspect of the dance...not making it vulgar like the usual way such scenes go in movies and TV these days...had an old world feel to it...

Originally posted by: drummedup

@Bold: Yes. He did not. But his ideals/actions gave me the impression...

My question is, on one side they show him putting himself through rigorous physical tasks like lying down on ice, dunking/jumping into cold waters etc... What does he do that for? Improve endurance? Pushing limits of pain? He endures as long as it is his designed physical pain... but a little mental pain he goes running to find shelter in alcohols and kothas... I mean, doesn't he do whatever he does every thursday to gain through pain? I believe the difference is that one pain is physical, while the other is psychological/emotional...he pushes the limits of pain physically in terms of detaching himself from the trappings of his physical body...but psychologically he is still a very fragile person...he has never come across as a mentally strong person...he likes to give big lectures on righteousness, the right path etc. but in many ways he's just a big baby😆...

Personally, I didn't like that he succumbed to the alcohol either but I didn't think it was out of character...

Also, I am quite not sure what he is drowning in sorrow over?😕 That Pooja got hurt or his farm got burnt? All his flashes were of Pooja burning her hand... not over the destruction of farm itself. Errr..??? Shouldn't he be rushing to find a shelter for his shocked animals? Why is he acting like he burnt her hand? LOL good question...I'm going with the presumption that Pooja's hand getting burnt trumped the destruction of the farm cuz technically it doesn't seem like any animals died or got hurt...but he saw Pooja's injury and her pain live as it was happening and that got to him the most and he basically froze in that moment...maybe part of the guilt is also cuz he had pushed her away moments before when she was trying to save him, and then she got burnt while trying to save one of the bakris only...

I think they wanted to show Naren in a very emotionally vulnerable state, hence the alcohol and Rahul taking advantage of him again to take him to a kotha...Naren didn't really seem to have any awareness of where he was...he was numb by that point and still getting FBs of Pooja's injury...and when he saw her, he was still focused on her hand only...the way he broke down and hugged her also showed what an emotionally fragile person he is...needing Pooja to support him.

@Blue: 100%. Hope he realises it soon. Or that's going to be a HUGE block in his pursuits. LOL I dunno if he's going to realize it soon...that seems to be his whole journey...he isn't ALREADY a sanyaasi...he's a work in progress...trying to figure out how he wants his life to be vis a vis this sanyaas angle...so he meditates, tries to be one with nature...but he still has so many human fallacies in his personality, he still has a very long way to go in growing up...so remains to be seen how much he succeeds...I think they are trying to go with a modern interpretation of what it means to be a jogi...he may be averse to drinking alcohol but he isn't judging his brothers for drinking/partying it up...he has not fully removed himself from society to that extent and still lacks the wisdom to see through trickery and other pitfalls...

My real question is about what Naren's dad even wants...lol the way he's on Pooja's case simply for trying to placate or channel Naren's energies towards some positive tasks makes no sense to me.

Also, the chaachi and Rahul are super annoying.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Naren is like a rudderless ship right now, unsure of what direction he wants to travel in...Yes, he seeks the spiritual path but at the same time he interacts with his brothers who are constantly cajoling him to have a drink...if he had put up a strict signboard regarding not wanting to be around alcohol, period, then this would have been a hard line that it would have been surprising to see him cross...but he never quite did that.

As others have mentioned here, he's still very young despite his bent towards spirituality...he comes across more as a seeker in search of answers and along the way he makes mistakes like everyone else...so he is prone to bursts of childish anger when things don't go his way...he may be very tender-hearted and compassionate towards innocent living things otherwise but can be surprisingly callous when he closes his mind to all else but his point of view.

I personally was more amused to see this fall from grace and how conveniently Naren has to fall in Rahul's trap again after what had just been revealed about Rahul's behavior...lol...lazy writing...I guess they wanted to establish that Pooja's hand burning hit him harder than a goat dying...lol

Also, quite amusing that a 1920s Devdas style kotha complete with antique utensils to pour liquor from and elegant mujra dancing lady is all available in these modern times...lol...I knew Naren was an antique piece but all these Rajshri version of "vices" are also amusing to see...waise jokes apart, it was a beautifully directed and performed sequence...the lady dancing on "Chhaap Tilak" danced very well.

Originally posted by: blackorwhite

Okay.. This gave me some insight into this Naren.. Otherwise he is just confusing me and to be frank sometimes boring me 😆

And Really.. "Chhaap Tilak Sab Chheeni Mose Naina Milaike" Which version? Now.. I'm soo tempted to watching aaj kal episode.. 😆

EDIT: Read the previous posts..Asha-Lata version.. I was thinking about the Nusrat or Rahat Fateh Ali Khan versions

Originally posted by: AreYaar

haha *hugs back* I know, long time, right? So you finally quit the Suhaani forum? 😆

Yep, I've been watching this the last few weeks...I like the soundtrack of the show and some aspects of the characterizations are interesting...but the show moves very slowly😆

I believe the difference is that one pain is physical, while the other is psychological/emotional...he pushes the limits of pain physically in terms of detaching himself from the trappings of his physical body...but psychologically he is still a very fragile person...he has never come across as a mentally strong person...he likes to give big lectures on righteousness, the right path etc. but in many ways he's just a big baby😆...

Personally, I didn't like that he succumbed to the alcohol either but I didn't think it was out of character...

LOL good question...I'm going with the presumption that Pooja's hand getting burnt trumped the destruction of the farm cuz technically it doesn't seem like any animals died or got hurt...but he saw Pooja's injury and her pain live as it was happening and that got to him the most and he basically froze in that moment...maybe part of the guilt is also cuz he had pushed her away moments before when she was trying to save him, and then she got burnt while trying to save one of the bakris only...

I think they wanted to show Naren in a very emotionally vulnerable state, hence the alcohol and Rahul taking advantage of him again to take him to a kotha...Naren didn't really seem to have any awareness of where he was...he was numb by that point and still getting FBs of Pooja's injury...and when he saw her, he was still focused on her hand only...the way he broke down and hugged her also showed what an emotionally fragile person he is...needing Pooja to support him.

LOL I dunno if he's going to realize it soon...that seems to be his whole journey...he isn't ALREADY a sanyaasi...he's a work in progress...trying to figure out how he wants his life to be vis a vis this sanyaas angle...so he meditates, tries to be one with nature...but he still has so many human fallacies in his personality, he still has a very long way to go in growing up...so remains to be seen how much he succeeds...I think they are trying to go with a modern interpretation of what it means to be a jogi...he may be averse to drinking alcohol but he isn't judging his brothers for drinking/partying it up...he has not fully removed himself from society to that extent and still lacks the wisdom to see through trickery and other pitfalls...

My real question is about what Naren's dad even wants...lol the way he's on Pooja's case simply for trying to placate or channel Naren's energies towards some positive tasks makes no sense to me.

Also, the chaachi and Rahul are super annoying.

Originally posted by: drummedup

@Rest: Bolti jao It's such a pleasure to read your pov. Convince ho jaati hoon jab tum bolti ho toh... I hope this show lives up enough to warrant an analysis from you. LOL thanks, man :) haha I dunno if they show is going to live up to much analysis but for now, it's a slightly different concept so provides some scope for discussion.

@Naren: Why don't they give him monologues or insights into his inner thought process? Socha tha kya hai banda... He seems like a recluse who has a lot of dialogue going on with himself(or he doesn't even talk to himself also? hahaha)...But we never got to hear him talk to himself... thoda humein bhi suna dete... even we'll get to understand him better then. All we get is that poetry in the end... that's not enough. LOL even the poetry was better in the earlier epis...aajkal it falls flat cuz Naren's characterization is reduced to him just sulking or falling apart all the time...the spirituality doesn't come through much. I agree with your point that some monologues would help...his mind is more or less a closed book to the audience and we only get cryptic clues from his mutterings to Pooja or his mom.

@Naren's dad: I think all he wants is Naren should head the business. I bet as long as he goes to office and makes big bucks he won't mind Naren being any sort of oddball either. Naren so far is a Non Performing Asset(NPA) to him which he can't write-off. He is such a classic case of Peer pressure and over-interfering parent. And I was LOL-ing when he was shouting at Pooja about how easily Naren gets attached to things... Will he let Naren keep friendship with Pooja once he changes the way he wants? Would he respect his attachment then, which he(dad) himself is responsible for? All that one-track mind thinking Naren probably gets from the Dad...LOL yes, this is deffo going to come back to bite Naren's dad...he's the one who's brought Pooja to "reform" Naren by bonding with him and he himself insists that she back off...lol confused soul...doesn't seem like he will respect the future attachment that will form b/w Naren-Pooja.

Off topic:

I liked bits of yesterday's episode and Mayank's antics. Specially the way Pooja took the bull by horns. Rahul was kinda taken aback lol... That reply to his vulgar insinuation at her interest in Naren's life...'You never bothered telling me why you applied cake on my face' 👏😆 Word, I loved that bit too...Pooja's character is opening up these days as she gets more assertive and takes the reins in her hand while Naren seems to be regressing...they really aren't developing his character much right now.

And the funniest moment for me was Naren asking pooja why she is hiding her hand and she should go to doctor if it's paining... LMAO! If it's all so simple, he would've have been at hospital than kotha when she was injured...Itna matter-of-fact-ly practical solution de raha hai yaha...isne khud kitna halla macha diya becoz of that injury... He is so silly! Yep, he's totally a big baby...I toh just laugh seeing his grouchy obtuse statements😆

And what's his mujhe saabu-daana chahiye? So petulant. Discipline kam zidd zyada lagta hai...

Why isn't he even THINKING about what he did last night? No wrong or right analysis on THAT? He gets affected by everything... did not even spare a thought for this? Only once he thought of it when he was with his mom and he was avoiding looking at her... he seemed angry than guilty there! What for? :/ Yeah I found this really lame too...what was the point of this "high point" if there is literally no introspection from Naren? He woke up so calmly next morning, barely bothered even reflecting on his Devdas avatar...for someone so obsessed with the righteous path, it was an odd thing to write off...and yes, he only seemed grumpy in front of his mother also...no guilt...I dunno if that was a fail on the part of the actor or the writing is so disjointed.

And Pooja kinda addressed my grudge with Naren... "Itna bhi kya achcha banna... apnon ki buri stithi dikhayi naa pade?" ... Yesss Pooja, show him the mirror! LOL Pooja speaks all the home truths to him...that is why I think he resents her too cuz she tells him like it is...and he doesn't want to face the truths that distract him from his so called mahaan spiritual worldview that is only focused on himself😆