Living in denial! - Page 5

Originally posted by: sharadrocks

Of course, Jeeju and saali, as you so fondly call them, can have sex without divorce...what or who is to prevent them...the only ones who can object are their respective spouses. In this situation, where both of them have moved away for reasons of their own, I think even they have lost that right. When you have left me and served me divorce papers, i don't think a piece of paper gives you the right to question who I sleep with. You can only file an adultery suit at best. What purpose will that serve when you have already filed for divorce? Of course there can be public shame. But if I have got to the point of no return, even that is not going to bother me!

So, I ask - aren't Purvi and Arjun Jeeju saali- what are they now???

They can have sex whereever they want - but, they just not act the Mahan act - nor Arjun can that Victim act. Have it and owe it up na, why this bhalaayi and what not??? And that piece of paper does give you right dear. Even in the West - if it wasn't the Institution of marriage couldn't exist, nor the strong republican house in the USA. Ask all the educated American about their veiw about marriage. Hell. Why was Bill Clinton openly condemned publicly over Monika Lewinsky case - that piece of paper declaring marriage...or am I wrong - am I an old Dinosaur

Since extrapolation has been kindly endorsed on this forum, maybe Purvi was protecting Punni, The idiot thinks that is her role in life! But yes, it was none of her business and she should have let Punni rot. At least she should have learnt her lessons and let Ovi die post the pregnancy issues, instead of arm twisting Onir into treating her. Maybe then Ovi would have been saved the pain of losing her child and then the baby swap. And maybe Purvi could have just lived her life in peace in Kolkatta. Hindsight is always twenty twenty!

Originally posted by: Kalapi

Maybe I am not as intelligent as you are, but isn't what Archana said is also open to our interpretation as we see the characters as painted by the CVs. Isn't the character a product of its environment, the upbringing as is shown in the serial?? Sure, as an audience, I am in my rights to extrapolate bringing in that POV as well?? I don't definitely live in a Chawl nor in India anymore, but I am well aware of its culture, nay well aware of Indian Culture as I have everyone living relative living in India and I do happen to visit that country every single year...so, shouldn't my interpretation be based on a multidimensional perception - so, as a TM, I am not sure how you can only channelize everyone to see only one selected POV - when everyone interpretation will be different?? Then, if you say, I only see it thus - it becomes an autocratic post, saying - I do not believe in other's POV, so just stay off. Then , I believe, you should have posted that too - that only members who agree - please post and not others...Sorry, in a debate, you get into discussing all sorts of things - for that makes it interesting - if all the members, just end up saying _ Yes, I agree with you - will you have a debate. More important, why open a post, if the only purpose for is to want agreement and nothing less - am I getting you wrong now...

What Archana said is certainly open to debate. But that was not the point of this post. As the post maker, am I not even allowed to point out if you are discussing something other then what I want to discuss? Sorry but I am not looking for agreement. But I do have the right to decide if I want to debate with you or anyone else on a topic other than what I have brought up. By taking the discussion on a tangent within my own post, you are compelling me to debate with you on something that I do not wish to. Healthy debate is possible only when we are seeing the same thing. When it is clear that we are not, how is debate even possible? I say this again, my post was based on what Archana said. I take her at face value and I make a post. You want to read meanings of your own and attribute what you think as the reason for her actions. How is it even possible to have a debate under the circumstances. I will keep repeating that I talk of what Is shown and you will go on that you talk of your interpretation. We can go on till the cows come home if you like!

To me, a debate can only happen, firstly - if one brings different and diverse POV and secondly a healthy discussion can happen by respecting those POV and putting forth yours too. There is always that agree to disagree clause, instead some choose to be it that high horse - of this is interpretation of members, and this isn't. Even the great Epics are open to interpretation and so are every story written can be intrepretated. Trying to dictate a debate is only trying to curtail that discussion, so that only one POV can be established...again, am I wrong in my interpretation???

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Just like selective hearing, this is selective sambandh or relationship. It varies with the epi being aired.

Originally posted by: rajvta

Superb posts Sharadrocks and Soapwatcher.

Even I have never understood the concept of Jeeju- saali in the context of Arjun Purvi.They were engaged, about to be married first before the groom got hijacked. Purvi is considered sister or else just a sadak se uthai hui who is being imposed on the oh so pristine family of Deshmukhs, depending on what makes the argument stronger in that particular post.

Again anther word that is bandied around for Purvi is Panauti and for Pari - najayaz.

Wish children are not mentioned as such on public forums. What anybody thinks or says privately is as it is beyond us.

Originally posted by: Kalapi

No offence meant but the Americans have a different code of conduct for those in public life as opposed to their own private lives. So thank you, but I have no desire to ask them for their opinion of the matter, whether they are educated or otherwise. Just because I have liberal views on sex and marriage, it does not follow that I echo the West on everything. The impeachment of Bill Clinton was not because he had an affair. It was because he possibly misused his authority and compromised his office. If he were an ordinary man, it would have been between him, Hillary and Monica. I don't think the world would have anything to with it. Since none of these characters hold office, I wonder why it is any concern of society!

Coming to Purvi and Arjun, did Purvi ever say that Arjun and she had sex for world peace? As is the wont of most Bollywood and Tellywood heroines, she described the act as a mistake. I strongly disagree with the definition of consensual sex as a mistake or a crime. In retrospect, you may call it a mistake because it messed up your life for whatever reason. I don' t think it is about morality. but again, this is my pov.So, if you are a dinosaur, I am probably a modern day harlot!

On the piece of paper, it gives you the right until you believe in it and the relationship that it endorses. The minute you file papers, you are implying that you have lost faith and want out of the relationship. So what right does it give you? Except of course filing an adultery suit? That would make sense only when your partner is refusing to give you the divorce. So maybe that should be the next storyline. Maybe Ovi should file an adultery suit if Arjun refuses to give her a divorce? Although how she will prove it is beyond me since there has been no adultery yet!

Yes, that is what that idiot (I used your words here 😛) should have done - let Punni and Ovi do what ever they want, and keep herself firmly in Kolkata - she had it all there - why come back and create all these mess here😛

Originally posted by: cs-07

@soap

a doubt , onir was punished by court of law cause he swapped the babies.

purvi wasnt punished cause it was not she who committed the act?

so did onir do that without purvis knowledge? after she got to know of ovi's still born, she told/asked/made onir swap the babies. please correct me if i am wrong,

when person A gives supari to kill a man. does that person A let free?

i can easily blame the CVs for the disgusting convoluted plot but in all these characters when onir was in the courtroom, he wasnt the only accused!

Originally posted by: sowmya_jairam

Arjun and purvi are jeeju-saali because purvi considers manav as her dad, Sachu and soham as her brothers, savita as her aaji and damodar as aajoba. Basically, the relations that don't automatically come from being archana's foster daughter. If the above relations all hold true, then automatically ovi and teju become purvis sisters and their husbands her Jeejus, whether purvi considers them or not. You can't pick and choose after all. Yer. And archana's is her mom, by blood and by birthright. So you see it does go one way and not the other; not due to the legalities but due to purvi and Ovi's views on each other and the other relations.

Even if we consider they're all one big family irrespective, which they are, Arjun was first engaged to ovi, so he was to become purvi's Jeeju. Then he became engaged to purvi, so he was to become Ovi's Jeeju. Just coz one engagement was a happy one and the other was not does not make one more of a commitment or relationship than the other. And then he got married to ovi, so Arjun became her would-be Jeeju to legally wedded husband; and purv's to-be husband to Jeeju. So, that's how Arjun and purvi became Jeeju-saali. And for me personally, that's as good as a relation between a brother-sister or even dad-daughter if there's an age difference.