Living in denial! - Page 3

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

sharadrocks

Thanks for that long list of Purvi's sins. I don't think the premarital sex or the baby was anybody else's business but hers and Arjun's. I don't think parents need to know the details of their children's sex lives.

Why just thank me dear . There r other worthy forum members before me who have listed Ovi's sins ! They also deserve this kindness from you . You are too kind .😊

You offered them on my post. So I saw fit to thank. I am unfortunately poltie to a fault!

Coming back to the topic . Our views , however broad minded they are , don't count dear . You and I may think differently about pre marital sex and illegitimate babies born out of wedlock but the serial runs and showcases a traditional mindset personified by the lead ...Archana . Pre marital sex is taboo to that mind set . A girl , Punni was hit on the roads for it with Archana , Sulochana and this same Purvi looking righteously on . Purvi had not decided that Punni's premarital sex was her business alone and her parents did not need to know . Archana endorsed the squealing and told her that she did perfectly right . She did NOT tell her that it was strictly Punni's business .

I can only offer my views. You have every right to disagree with them. But please don't tell me my views don't count. They may not to you but to me, they do. And this is still a post that I made.

And have you ever seen me condoning any other character being punished for premarital sex. I don't believe in a different set of rules for different characters. My views remain the same irrespective!

To me, maternal love does not distinguish between foster and biological children. A mother loves her children, whether they are of her heart or her womb! Purvi has been consistently slammed for agreeing to marry Arjun, being indifferent to Ovi's pain, sleeping with Arjun and, worst of all,daring to have a baby out of wedlock

I never said in my post that a mother distinguishes between foster children and bio children . Did I dear ?😊 And this is not about foster children and bio children at all .It is simply a mother taking sides when one kid harms the other kid . It is not just Purvi , even if Teju had done this to Ovi , Archana's pampering sends wrong signals to the one harmed . I can understand her taking her in , giving her a shelter out of humanity and for the sake of the baby , but was not cold behaviour warranted ? No ? U don't think so ? Instead , she is APOLOGISING to Purvi . Sleeping and connecting with her . Isn't that too much dear ? For what ? Due to that missing stunt ? Such a bad , bad seekh to youngsters who watch this serial . Have a baby out of wedlock due to unprotected sex , manage the whole thing with lies as much as u can , then when the cat's out of the bag , pull a missing stunt and bring mom to her knees ! The serials r not to give any seekh or morals , pure entertainment , merely remarking on how it comes across. Anyways , these r my views .


You made a comment about how Archana was mistreating her biological child and favouring her foster daughter. I merely responded to that. You are of course entilted to your perspective but surely I have the right to offer mine, particularly when said perspective has been aired on my post? I don't think anybody is taking lessons from this show. And even if they are, all the suffering that Purvi has gone through should certainly teach them the ill effects of unprotected sex. I say unprotected and not premarital!

Purvi is not slammed for the pre marital sex at least by me ...she is slammed for giving up the fiancee after the sex and emotionally pressurizing him to marry her sister . Purvi is not criticized for daring to have a baby out of wedlock , i have praised and praised Shravani and trust me i was alone with just 2 others who endorsed my views . She too had a baby out of wedlock . Purvi is slammed for the way she handled that baby out of wedlock , like a toy . The deeds she did later . Criminal . Totally unacceptable . I hate to see them glorified as 'sacrifice' .

I don't think anybody here is glorifying her act. Not even on the show! Even she has not called herself mahaan. She has only said that she thought she was doing the right thing for everybody, to keep everybody happy. Agreed she was wrong but I don't think she needs to be sent to the gallows for this crime. But that again is entirely my opinion. Everybody is agreed on the stupidiity and the futility of her gesture. What people disagree with is only the attributing of malicious intent. Anyway, let us agree to disagree. If the baby swap was a criminal act, then Onir was rightfullly punished for it. Purvi had just delivered. If you take any delirious nonsense that she spouts seriously and carry out her wishes, then you are bound to be punished. By that yardstick, Arjun got his punishment in the form of a loveless marriage when he did not have the brains to refuse Purvi's stupid pleas. And Onir was stripped of hus license. Purvi lost the man she loved, she lost the love of the mother she adored and was destitute at a time when a woman needs the most care and attention. But clearly even Providence did not think Purvi was all to be blamed because it sent Onir her way. As for Purvi not telling the world that she had asked Onir to do so, saying that in an open court would have lead to further investigation into the matter. The whole saga of swapping mother for lover and so on may have well been revealed. Maybe she did not want that to happen.

The point of this whole post was how it was pointless to go on protecting people from truths that you believe might hurt them. How it is better to help them cope with the truth rather than shield them from it. You have chosen to go on a complete tangent! You are welcome to do so!

I don't think so dear . I don't believe i went on a different tangent at all . The post clearly implies that truth is being kept from Ovi as Archana finds her emotionally weak . That was what Archana was telling Purvi . Justifying her patronizing lies . Just as Purvi was justifying her crime saying it was for bhalaayi and a tyaag . It is insufferable patronizing and such women need to be blasted . Coz what justifications they give of their own deeds means diddly. They need to hear the truth from time to time . The truth is that the events were withheld from Ovi coz dear Archana has no face ! So simple .


If that is what Archana said, then that is what she and the story writers meant. If you choose to derive your own meanings from it, then the choice is entirely yours. I interpret only what is shown to me and try to make infereneces only when things are left to my imagination. My post was in response to what I saw on the show, Your response was based completely on your own interpretation of it. That is why i said you were on a tangent.

The post then goes on to ask a general question about denial and if that is healthy . To that i agree .

Btw since u mentioned that premarital sex is strictly not anyone else's business i wish to point out , as i agree totally with u

mourning a dead baby is very personal and not anyone else's business to decide its better if the person doesn't mourn at all

determining the sex life of another couple , when it should commence is none of anybody's business [ now u go and give her patni ka darja]

telling a friend that a divorce is gonna happen in ur family and snooping through private documents belonging to some one else is strictly their business and personal

these 3 r mere examples . PR is replete with 'none of my business' deeds , glorified as 'sacrifice ' .

Anyways hope my POV is clearer now .😊

I am not out to justify any one character or malign another here. Indeed, all of the above was none of Purvi's business. In fact, if Purvi had minded her own business, then this entire story would not have borne out. It all began with Purvi taking responsibility for Archana's happiness. She should have asked Ovi to do her worst and gone ahead and married the man she loved. Then none of this rubbish would have transpired. Unfortunately then, PR would have no story and you and I would have nothing to debate about!

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

sharadrocks

never said your view doesn't count to me dear . Said Our view does not matter as a traditional mindset is displayed personified by Archana . A big difference .

My point is very clear. All I said was that my pov counted to me. Even if others or larger society or whoever did not see it. And this particular post was my analysis of a situation. I don't think what Archana's mindset has anything to do with it. Not particularly when the actions that have been discussed have not been triggered off by the very same traditional mindset.

And what Archana says need not be what the story tellers mean , i am so sorry , but i really don't buy that . They give the POV of different characters . We all interpret according to the dialogues given . The deeds shown . So it cannot be that what Archana says is THE rightful meaning and any other interpretation is personal .

Like I said, you choose to believe what you do. And of course your interpretation is yours, right or wrong. I repeat, this is not about right or wrong. Maybe I prefer not to read as much as you do. Maybe I am just not astute as you or prefer to believe in the characters unless there is direct evidence to the contrary. Again, this is fiction and so interpretations are bound to vary.

Of course you r polite to a fault . But u only thanked me and stated the purpose ! When others also did the same . So i merely suggested .that u can thank them too . I now realize that perhaps my listing was out of the ordinary ! I blame your kindness for giving me this heady feeling .

Originally posted by: strega

Sharadrocks, Shyamala et al,

The audience is the one in denial 😆 . I am not entirely sure what we hope to see but we hang in there. Even if we do not watch the episode, we read the WU, take time to follow the posts and debate till the cows come home.

What is amusing me at this moment most of all is the injunction from some - that they post what is their POV and our interpretation is not their concern. Fair enough. However, does that not apply to the show itself? Our interpretations are our own - if we choose to see ill in everyone but our chosen favorite, then what can one say?

I, personally, am not going to spend my energy finding hidden meaning and motivations but what is stated on the show.