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Posted: 12 years ago
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@sashashyam

The kind of sacrifice that Ovi asked of Purvi could not be achieved without Arjun's co-operation. Let us say she had needed an accomplice in Mahanta. If he had any brains, he would have asked both women to jump off a cliff and gone his way. Same goes for Onir too. Both the men are dimwits who are incapable of making the woman see the pointlessness and stupidity of her efforts. So frankly, I have no great sympathy for them.

In my opinion, the whole bunch needs to be thrown into a dungeon and the key thrown away somewhere. Or maybe it is what needs to be done to Ekta and her creatively challenged creatives!
Edited by sharadrocks - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Pallavi, absolutely brilliant post!!
Was surprised that Archana asked Purvi to take Pari to the side. Why handle Ovi with such kid gloves? But then the same Ds gladly without any compunction let a pregnant Purvi leave the house when Ovi couldn't brook Purvi's presence there. Ovi says "jump", the Ds always ask "how high?"
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thanks for that long list of Purvi's sins. I don't think the premarital sex or the baby was anybody else's business but hers and Arjun's. I don't think parents need to know the details of their children's sex lives.

With regard to the baby swap, it was the stupidest and most thoughtless stunt to pull. I will give you that but revealing that to Archana would have defeated the whole purpose. Which was for Ovi and the family to rejoice in the child. Since the child was after all the super glue that would stick Arjun to Ovi. Purvi was terrified that a collapse of the Arjun - Ovi relationship would jeopardise her Aai's happiness. That would effectively render her stupid sacrifice useless.. Purvi was already married and had a husband beside her. So there was no compulsion for her to hide her sin, which is what this forum often describes a baby as! What she did was inexcusable and thoughtless but there was no malice intended. And I think even the law takes intent into consideration while evaluating a crime.

Archana made it very clear that she could not reveal the truth to Ovi because she was liable to come unhinged. Given Ovi's past track record, there was every chance of that happening! Archana certainly did not believe that she was in the wrong in bringing Purvi home. The revelation of Onir's so called truth may have expedited things but Archana was always going to patch up with Purvi. She was hurt by the fact that Purvi did not share things with her. I don't think she sees Purvi's acts as unpardonable sins that deserve the gallows. To me, maternal love does not distinguish between foster and biological children. A mother loves her children, whether they are of her heart or her womb! If righteous is what she should be, then she should have banished Ovi for making that ridiculous deal. Yes, Purvi accepted it but Archana knew that Purvi would give up her life if it meant her happiness. Sorry to say but blood is not always the reason for such bonds but the heart always is. Archana's blood daughter used her mother's happiness as a bargaining chip to get her way. Archana's adopted daughter was willing to give up her own happiness because her mother mattered more to her than her own self! Most of Purvi's actions stem from her deep love for Archana, her foster mother. The only acts of hers that she did for her own pleasure were falling in kove with Arjun and sleeping with him. Right or wrong, this is what happened on this show! And while self-interest is hailed as a virtue in others, Purvi has been consistently slammed for agreeing to marry Arjun, being indifferent to Ovi's pain, sleeping with Arjun and, worst of all,daring to have a baby out of wedlock!

Whatever happened to Ovi with regard to her baby was truly tragic and my heart goes out to her for that!! I think her family should support her in emerging as a mentally and emotionally stronger person. And the first step towards that would be to stop treating her with kid gloves.

The point of this whole post was how it was pointless to go on protecting people from truths that you believe might hurt them. How it is better to help them cope with the truth rather than shield them from it. You have chosen to go on a complete tangent! You are welcome to do so!
Edited by sharadrocks - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes, of course, and I have said this again and again and again myself, adding that they should both be kicked from one end of Mumbai to the other with hobnailed boots. So there is nothing here that is new for me!

Moreoever, in a human or animal sacrifice, the offering must always go willingly to the altar to have its head cut off - whether it was the white bulls the Greeks offered to Zeus. or Arjun and Onir now. If it did not go willingly, the gods would not accept it. Luckily, Ovi is not so particular about Arjun, and as for Onir, the goddess of justice is blind, so no problems there either!

Nonetheless, I was surprised that when Onir was stripped of his medical licence, after a court procedure that was laughable even by Balaji standards, Purvi did not even stand up in court and sneak in a vehement declaration that it was all her fault, before the judge either shushed her or invited her to come to the witness box. She just sat there like a dummy. And till today, she is in such a state of denial that all she could bring herself to say, and that too just once, was Kahin na kahin, usme mera bhi dosh tha. Amazing.

As for dungeons and keys, it is all very well to talk, but the fact is that you are still watching this train wreck of a show, and I have come back to it after a break, for whatever reason! So there is no point lamenting about the mess it is in, unless one votes with one's remote and stays off the IF.

As for Ekta Kapoor, she knows her audience(s), which is why. she is thriving, with both her films (which are quite different from her serials) and her TV shows. So I do not see anything going wrong with her for the foreseeable future. She is in fact the female counterpart of Karan Johar.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: sharadrocks

@sashashyam


The kind of sacrifice that Ovi asked of Purvi could not be achieved without Arjun's co-operation. Let us say she had needed an accomplice in Mahanta. If he had any brains, he could have asked both women to jump off a cliff and gone his way. Same goes for Onir too. Both the men are dimwits who are incapable of making the woman see the pointlessness and stupidity of her efforts. So frankly, I have no great sympathy for them.

In my opinion, the whole bunch needs to be thrown into a dungeon and the key thrown away somewhere. Or maybe it is what needs to be done to Ekta and her creatively challenged creatives!

Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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nicely written.
Usually Manav was the one who treating Ovi care as if she is a glass baby doll. now Archu started it.
No one thought about giving counselling to Ovi. they are just flaring up her attitude more and more with their possessive attitude.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@sashashyam

No, I don't follow this show anymore. Except for reading updates to see how ridiculous it can get! That is the reason why I come to this forum. And obviosuly, since debates excite me, I can't help jumping in when I see fit!

On ekta's future on TV, it is already quite shaky, Which is why she has made the move to the big screen. Her movies are thankfully not saas bahu sagas. However, their intent is to titillate in the name of being bold and progressive! I hold her singularly responsible for destroying the ethos of Indian TV. And of course a captive audience which gets its kicks out of kitchen politics!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: pallavi25

Archana and whole Deshmukh family know that Ovi is emotionally unstable. She cannot accept anything concerning Purvi...thats why Archu is hiding Purvi's presence. Ovi will either:

1) drink like Devdas
2) slit her wrist again
3) Do something even more dangerous

Ovi hates Purvi and Pari both with a passion that stems from jealousy and outrage that an adopted daughter shd get love and attention from people who supposedly should belong to Ovi. Arjun and Archu shd have a stamp on them that they belong to Ovi. She knows Manav is exclusively on her side so shes not worried abt him.
Inflated ego and narcissism are well defined aspects of her character.
She suffers from NPD...

Persons diagnosed with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder are characterized by unwarranted feelings of self-importance. They have a sense of entitlement and demonstrate grandiosity in their beliefs and behavior. They have a strong need for admiration, but lack feelings of empathy for others. These qualities are usually defenses against a deep feeling of inferiority and of being unloved.

Sense of entitlement...that made her convinced that shes entitled to have Arjun...nobody

else can have him! That he belongs to her inspite of his repeated admissions that he

doesnt love her.

Strong need for admiration: Hence she chose modelling as a profession...people will look at her and admire her...thats her main objective in life. 😆

Lack of empathy for others...have never seen her ask Teju abt Sunny or care abt Soham

Dada as Teju does. She even seemed detached when Archu was shot and therafter in a

coma. Shes always too busy thinking abt herself.

Shes psychologically impaired, like "that mad daughter" of the family. Thats why all Deshmukhs and Archu treat her like a china doll...they tread on eggshells

when dealing with her...pata nahin kab bigad jaye ...😆.

God knows when she will burst out in that shrill voice of hers and start blaming everyone.



Lovely Post Pallavi Di. Another great post.👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: pallavi25

🤣 @ Hiding Purvi and Pari in a closet!


Of course Ovi is made of glass, wine glass, champagne glass, shot glass! 😆
If Archu let out that Purvi was staying with her and she had forgiven her, Ovi would open a bottle right away and start drinking herself to oblivion!
She uses alcohol to escape from everything, the truth, the facts, and especially the hatred she feels for Purvi.
Actually she is virulently jealous of Purvi not only because of Arjun but also because she thinks Archu loves Purvi more than her! According to her Arjun and Archu both love only Purvi and she is the one who is ignored, unloved, neglected etc.
Ovi is so self-obsessed and self-occupied that she feels everyone around her or connected to her should only think abt her, worry abt her, devote themselves to her!
So naturally Archu had to hide Purvi and Pari's presence from Ovi...
And Purvi and Ovi both hiding the divorce papers fact from Archu...

Everyone is hiding something from another person to protect the other's feelings.




Very true.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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But that was always the TV audience, right? At least since the 1990s.

As for kitchen politics, it has been with us since the Ramayana - even if Kaikeyi had never seen the inside of a kitchen! You cannot trump the Ramayana for tyaag and balidaan and adarshvaad, plus endless suffering by the righteous, and the Mahabharata goes it one better, even if it has far more of rather interesting grey characters. I spent the whole of my teen years arguing fruitlessly about the Ramayana with my grandmother,

Coming back to our TV, it is sad that no one makes a Buniyaad, or even genuinely funny, clean shows like Kakkaji Kahin or Mr Yogi any more. Humour now is so crass that old fashioned people like me are driven away, or so stupid that one cannot stand it. The same holds good for reality shows, which are anything but real.

And as for family dramas, if they are not Ekta's, they end up like hers. I can vouch for that, for the number of serials that I have watched post-retirement, and abandoned after a few months, is legion. And as I wrote to you earlier, really top class TV productions die on the vine without fail. So, her diminishing success in TV does not , unfortunately, translate into better shows.

Why did Ekta succeed in the first place? And why did the likes or Ramesh Sippy and Basu Chatterjee quit TV? I think it also had something to do with the advent of the GEC, as against the staid and not ad conscious Doordarshan, which is much better even today, plus it does not have pop ups. It is like cheap fast food driving out wholesome, traditional cooking. TV serials nowadays seem more like video ads for sarees, dresses and jewellery than story-telling exercises. They are mostly watched only by the ladies of the house - for the kids are on their laptops and the spouse on his - and that too in between getting dinner ready and eating it. No wonder the attention span has to be so low, and the content can be even lower provided the latest backless blouses and shoulder-length earrings are on full display.

I frankly do not know why I stay with PR; there is some awful fascination it exerts over me!😉 I dropped out for a few months before the 18 year leap but came back. I dropped out after the Arjun-Ovi marriage and then came back. I dropped out a month back, and am now hoping that this is not yet another come back. I must be having recidivism in my genes!😉 But for this!?!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: sharadrocks

@sashashyam


No, I don't follow this show anymore. Except for reading updates to see how ridiculous it can get! That is the reason why I come to this forum. And obviosuly, since debates excite me, I can't help jumping in when I see fit!

On ekta's future on TV, it is already quite shaky, Which is why she has made the move to the big screen. Her movies are thankfully not saas bahu sagas. However, their intent is to titillate in the name of being bold and progressive! I hold her singularly responsible for destroying the ethos of Indian TV. And of course a captive audience which gets its kicks out of kitchen politics!

Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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sharadrocks

Thanks for that long list of Purvi's sins. I don't think the premarital sex or the baby was anybody else's business but hers and Arjun's. I don't think parents need to know the details of their children's sex lives.

Why just thank me dear . There r other worthy forum members before me and after me who have listed Ovi's sins ! They also deserve this kindness from you . You are too kind .😊

Coming back to the topic . Our views , however broad minded they are , don't count dear . You and I may think differently about pre marital sex and illegitimate babies born out of wedlock but the serial runs and showcases a traditional mindset personified by the lead ...Archana . Pre marital sex is taboo to that mind set . A girl , Punni was hit on the roads for it with Archana , Sulochana and this same Purvi looking righteously on . Purvi had not decided that Punni's premarital sex was her business alone and her parents did not need to know . Archana endorsed the squealing and told her that she did perfectly right . She did NOT tell her that it was strictly Punni's business .

To me, maternal love does not distinguish between foster and biological children. A mother loves her children, whether they are of her heart or her womb! Purvi has been consistently slammed for agreeing to marry Arjun, being indifferent to Ovi's pain, sleeping with Arjun and, worst of all,daring to have a baby out of wedlock

I never said in my post that a mother distinguishes between foster children and bio children . Did I dear ?😊 And this is not about foster children and bio children at all .It is simply a mother taking sides when one kid harms the other kid . It is not just Purvi , even if Teju had done this to Ovi , Archana's pampering sends wrong signals to the one harmed . I can understand her taking her in , giving her a shelter out of humanity and for the sake of the baby , but was not cold behaviour warranted ? No ? U don't think so ? Instead , she is APOLOGISING to Purvi . Sleeping and connecting with her . Isn't that too much dear ? For what ? Due to that missing stunt ? Such a bad , bad seekh to youngsters who watch this serial . Have a baby out of wedlock due to unprotected sex , manage the whole thing with lies as much as u can , then when the cat's out of the bag , pull a missing stunt and bring mom to her knees ! The serials r not to give any seekh or morals , pure entertainment , merely remarking on how it comes across. Anyways , these r my views .

Purvi is not slammed for the pre marital sex at least by me ...she is slammed for giving up the fiancee after the sex and emotionally pressurizing him to marry her sister . Purvi is not criticized for daring to have a baby out of wedlock , i have praised and praised Shravani and trust me i was alone with just 2 others who endorsed my views . She too had a baby out of wedlock . Purvi is slammed for the way she handled that baby out of wedlock , like a toy . The deeds she did later . Criminal . Totally unacceptable . I hate to see them glorified as 'sacrifice' .

The point of this whole post was how it was pointless to go on protecting people from truths that you believe might hurt them. How it is better to help them cope with the truth rather than shield them from it. You have chosen to go on a complete tangent! You are welcome to do so!

I don't think so dear . I don't believe i went on a different tangent at all . The post clearly implies that truth is being kept from Ovi as Archana finds her emotionally weak . That was what Archana was telling Purvi . Justifying her patronizing lies . Just as Purvi was justifying her crime saying it was for bhalaayi and a tyaag . It is insufferable patronizing and such women need to be blasted . Coz what justifications they give of their own deeds means diddly. They need to hear the truth from time to time . The truth is that the events were withheld from Ovi coz dear Archana has no face ! So simple .

The post then goes on to ask a general question about denial and if that is healthy . To that i agree .

Btw since u mentioned that premarital sex is strictly not anyone else's business i wish to point out , as i agree totally with u

mourning a dead baby is very personal and not anyone else's business to decide its better if the person doesn't mourn at all

determining the sex life of another couple , when it should commence is none of anybody's business [ now u go and give her patni ka darja]

telling a friend that a divorce is gonna happen in ur family and snooping through private documents belonging to some one else is strictly their business and personal

these 3 r mere examples . PR is replete with 'none of my business' deeds , glorified as 'sacrifice ' .

Anyways hope my POV is clearer now .😊








Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 12 years ago

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