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Posted: 12 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: Missscarlett


The person asked whether if pre martial sex is considered a sin in hinduism. What the society or a person believes is different according to different persons.


i think society more important than anything else as without society we cant live , sometimes we accept something for society what we not want to accept so society more more important .
well i am not going to talk about religion , it is very sensitive things and also i am very much unknown about this .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kalapi

Sipo, I have been debating for a while to write about it. Finally, let me put in what I think.

In Hinduism, I am not sure sex before marriage is a sin or not, but the concept of KAnyadaan - literally translate into ' giving away a virgin' is considered to be the greatest daan (gift) and by performing this gift, the parents achieves moksha. I think there are lines in puranas that talks how a parent can achieve a place in heaven, by performing this gift. So, I am assuming that virgins are something that is honoured. In fact, in our religion, we do kumari puja, again, praying to a virgin, who represent Devi. Also, note Hinduism never encouraged widow re-marriage, nor rape victims could marry in Hinduism. This is about Hindusim, as I understand.
Now, look at our 21st century India. Pre-marital sex is still a taboo. Even if it happens, couples involved in such acts are never open about it. Let look at the statistics, there isn't any significant stat. to show we have a population of unwed moms, right. So, why is that., Afterall, we do live in 21st century and India is pretty modern and progressive, right. Well, simply because, sex with marriage is pretty much against the norm that personifies India. Unwed pregnancies are never welcome and it brings shame to the family. There are countless novels that showed girls commiting suicide, because she was pregnant and the biy refused to marry her. So, society isn't open yet to the concept of free sex and unwed pregnancies...
Anyway, my POV...



|Thanks kalapi..
really need it to make things clear..

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: TALIRAlinda


i think society more important than anything else as without society we cant live , sometimes we accept something for society what we not want to accept so society more more important .
well i am not going to talk about religion , it is very sensitive things and also i am very much unknown about this .

linda thats your opinion dear. ... each individual has their own thinkng their own way of living some ppl dont give a damn abt society... in my opinion if we think abt society v cant do the things v want to do ..see for example take asha only.. her parents were against her acting desire because of the society(normally every1 feels its a bad industry) at last they let go of that feeling and thats y asha is here today ... its just our way of thinkg abt somethng or somebody.. each individual has their own perception...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: sipokobusak



Well well..i just ask a simple question and make a statement that sex before marriage is a sin..and you say i taunt anyone here?
What i said is base on religious fact..
is that wrong?
My religion teach me that sex before marriage is a sin.
But in hinduism it is not a sin..and i respect that.
I respect your faith and your religious view on that matter.

Why it takes you this hard to answer my simple question..just say it's not a sin.
No need to tell the different..etc etc.




I guess u dint read my answer to ur question !
I clearly said.. I dun say tht its a sin n neithr do I blv its a sin !!
N dint u use two names Sayn thr ths n ths person made us realise dat its aint a sin.. So aint u taunting.. O u wer jus statin..

Lets not gt into dese fights..
U av ur own view n We hv our own..
Lets nt mock each othr n mk fun !!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: TALIRAlinda


i think society more important than anything else as without society we cant live , sometimes we accept something for society what we not want to accept so society more more important .
well i am not going to talk about religion , it is very sensitive things and also i am very much unknown about this .

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Posted: 12 years ago
#36
sipo

it is a maha sin in hinduism too .

it is a sin in christianity too so is it in Islam .

it is a sin in all religions.

Nowadays no one follows this thought process and does it saying religion needs to be modified with time etc . They say its a personal decision etc .

There r some who even today follow religion as it is to the hilt .

I just wanted to tell u for ur information .

TM Purvi has every right to sacrifice herself for Archana if she chooses to make Archana her priority in life ...its her life and what she prioritises is her business . Like Punni proritises money , Purvi prioritizes Archana . Fine by me .


But her sacrifice should be limited to herself . She could have refused to marry Arjun till last minute , thats fully within her right .

But emotionally forcing Arjun to marry someone he did not want to , forcing him to sleep and not get out of the marraige and calling all this emotional forcing as a 'test of love'is super duper wrong and crossing her limits.

Archana is not Arjun's mother , he owes her nothing . Ashna is his mother and when she died DK brought him up as a father and a mother both . Arjun owes everything to DK , not to a girl's mother he met only 6 months of his life .

Purvi was an orphan who was picked off the streets and she has an obligation to Archana , not Arjun . Purvi should have told Arjun about this profound sense of obligation that she felt and said 'sorry i cannot marry u , it will be bad for my mom's personal life .'

What Arjun does later is his business . Whether he spends rest of his life sighing like a majnu for her or whether he goes to Canada , whether he remarries a girl DK chooses is entirely upto him . Its not for Purvi to decide .

She can only make decisions for herself . Not for others .

Where ARVI went wrong were

Purvi forced Arjun to abide by her decisions ...if she was cutting free , it should really be cut free ...this was not cutting free but keeping him tied to her string to be used for further purposes .

Arjun went wrong when he chose not to exercise his own thinking abilities and listen to each forceful emotional command . He could have told her , fine , i can understand ur sense of obligation to ur mom , but i will not marry ur sister especially after sleeping with u .

There is no question of calling her selfish if she had chosen or not chosen Arjun over Archana . Archana creates fresh controversies each time and endangers her marraige ...whether her children r there in the picture or not . She endangered her marraige before Purvi came in her life by losing Soham and she endangered it immediately after Purvi broke off with Arjun and 'gave' her marraige back to her by going against the family and Manav once more by insisting Soham lives in the family although he was a gunda and the rest were very uncomfortable .

Manav has a history of loving her inspite of Archana constantly doing kaands which puts her against him .

Her children have nothing to do with these decisions or making and breaking her life .

If Purvi feels she can make her mother's life she is playing God and if she thinks she can sacrifice other people to rebuild her mother's life she is playing Devil .




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Posted: 12 years ago
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Besides, the Q of sin, there is another very important question. And that is how society looks upon unwed mothers, how they are treated and what kind of life unwed mothers live. Also, sin is sometimes a bit subjective, say for instant murder is punishable by law, but isn't to a cannibal tribe….then we talk about how civilized a society is, and society doesn't necessarily allow a free rein to do as one pleases, they are consequences to one actions…the action does decide what type of the individual one is.

As far as I have seen, unwed moms live a very hard challenging life even in the West and In US, where rate of teenage pregnancy is very high. They often drop out of school and need parents to support them. They life is basically ruined taking on a responsibility of an infant, when they themselves aren't capable off. Basically, they end up doing manual low paying jobs just to support themselves. Even if an individual is past school and is working, an unwed pregnancy creates hardship trying to balance a work life and the demands of a child who will be sick, need extra attention etc. There is hardly an Onir who will willing share that burden, let alone press a preggo feet..and why would a young man even take a responsibility of a child that he didn't willingly participate in.

Now, in India, unwed pregnancy of any form is looked down on, brings shame to the girl and her family, no family will willingly support a girl, and most girls either committee suicide or end up as prostitute themselves. As I said, I have seen any stat, yet in India that glorifies unwed pregnancy. And here again, Onir is becomes the rarest of gem. I think a section of viewers wants CVs to show the reality in such scenarios, instead of glorifying an act.

We hardly live in a free society that allows everyone to live by as their please. If Purvi was that right, she surely didn't need Onir to hide her truth, surely, she could have been proud to announce her pregnancy to the world, the way married women does?? Isn't that something to ponder over too?

Btw, it seems Purvi herself has realized that it was a mistake and is getting subconscious slaps….doesn't it indicate something to us too???

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Posted: 12 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: sipokobusak

@Topic maker,
Arjun and Purvi has two mistakes.

Arjun and purvi mistake was they are too weak to fight for their love.
Purvi weakness is she is too mahaan..and arjun was spineless to fight for his love.
he did whatever purvi told him to do...for their so-called love.
that was their first mistake.

their second mistake was they have sex before marriage.
but now i no longer blame them because sex before marriage is not wrong and not a sin in hindu. thanks to misscarlet and ashvikluverrr for telling me this.
all this time i thought they have commit a huge sin..but not anymore because now i know they have not since in hindu it was not a sin.

so they have only one mistake..that is the first mistake i mentioned above.




Originally posted by: TALIRAlinda


araey sipo which religion gave this permission ?? u need to realize 😉 which religion can gave this permission 😆 😆



Please keep religion out of such topics. Religion is a very sensitive issue and any kind of snide remarks will not be tolerated on IF on any religion.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: devashree_h






Please keep religion out of such topics. Religion is a very sensitive issue and any kind of snide remarks will not be tolerated on IF on any religion.



Better this topic closed. Enough is enough.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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If its Sin so why Dr Onir is supporting Purvi so much and why he is still fall in love with the Girl who is having child without marriage,
if he can support Purvi and helping her Why not Purvi so called family forgive her and accept her mistake,

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