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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ Blue. So 21st century means have sex with your love and hours later hand him over to your step sister because she wants him. I can accept only if Arjun was a candy, that Purvi took a bite of it and then gave it to ovi. I would have praised purvi for her mahaantha and love for her sister. But unfortunately, Arjun is a human with a heart and emotions, and so is ovi, no sane person would trade another human like a goat even for their aai's happiness and worst is thy are hailed as Mahaan and tyagi.

If iam not wrong this is what my friend was trying to tell as bad effect of media. Ovi was wrong, no one denies it, both in the show as well as in the forum, but that is not the same with purvi. Her decisions has always caused more pain and hurt to others than relief and yet she carries the mahaanta tag and plays the victim card, why, coz she is the lead, the show enforces this thought, and viewers buy it...bad effect of media

No mon in her right mind would have accepted a guy as her son in law, who played with the emotions of two of her daughters. Here Archana did, yet, she was hailed as super mom not only in the show but also in the forum. Bad effect of media...

No guy would just walk into a loveless marriage to pass a test of love. Here Arjun did and he is hailed as a hopeless lover...

It is one thing to do what is right another thing to do what one THINKS IS RIGHT. In the show all characters irrespective of who thy r only do what thy THINK IS RIGHT. Yet we differentia them based on what the show enforces, like they r the leads so thy r always right and these r negative characters, so thy can never be right.

When ovi came to purvi with the deal, the right thing to do was inform, archana, manav, dk or even arjun but what purvi did was out right a wrong thing to do, worst than ovi's deal but still we hailed her as sacrificing and mahaan, why coz the show enforces it. It this not a bad influence. Each time purvi did only what she thought was right and not what was right yet she is mahaan and a victim whereas ovi is evil...why, the show says so...

So basically it is the sense of what is right and wrong, everyone here can see that what , archana, sulo, arjun or purvi do is as disgusting and pathetic as what savitha, ovi, rasika or ajit did. But when it comes to savita/ovi, thy r branded evil but when it comes to archu/purvi, thy r mahaan & and tyagi. In other words we r getting played in the hand of the cv's and this is a bad influence of the media.

We know superman or spider-man don't exist but still expect them to be good, right. Hero should behave like a hero. If hero behave like villains and yet the maker expect us to accept them as hero then it is a bad influence. That is exactly whats happens in Ek shows, be it KZK or PR the leads do nonsense and yet are hailed as perfect, tyagi, mahaan atmas & hopless lovers and when some of us refuse to accept, then we r people with 18th century mindset...is it?😊

No offense intended. Just my POV.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well a few facts that I couldn't help but put forward. Actually, the cigarette companies in the USA had probably the most painful of corporate histories. They faced numerous lawsuits from various groups that include patients and many activitist groups not to mention the Government. US Government have come down heavily on the Tobacco companies and even their advertisements have been spared of wrongful messages and fined heavily. In fact, the steepest tax increase has been on cigarette as studies showed that decreases smoking. Btw, at present, half of the price of a cigarette goes in as tax. Of course, this info is in context of the USA. And the lawsuits against the tobacco just keeps coming.. The multi-billion and international cigarette companies facing steep lawsuits and public backlash in US, had no other options than to explore the weaker and corrupt third world countries that could easily take smoking as a sign of being 'cool'. The other fact is that the Government of these third world countries actually are powerless against such international giant who uses monies to bulldoze their way in. So, in recent years, we see the trend that as smokers decrease in the West, it is offset with a sharp rise in the East, especially in India and China.

Facts on prescription sleeping Pills...Sleeping pills have important health benefit like any other pill. So, in no way a Government or FDA can curb its use. But, it sure it restricted and can be only available through prescription, even after patent expiration. Why, of course, to curb use that causes harm. Of course, in USA, it is not easy to get a prescription drug without prescription. The pharmacist has direct line with doctor's office, if they have questions. In third world countries, well the same restriction is there and so is the inability of the Government to implement it. So, one can go up to any pharmacy and get any medicine for that matter. It is up to the Government again to come down heavily if public health (both physical and mental) is at stake. So there are appropriate checks and balances in all aspects of life, so should that be applicable to the media as well?

But, even more interestingly, the Government did come down heavily on BT and the corporation was fined for telecasting inappropriate content on a family channel. Of course, I refer here, to BAHL and the televised consummation scenes.

Coming back to an announcement today. The US Government is coming out with measurement on the Guns in US. What more, one needs to say, that the Government can always comes out and control any corporation if there are instances of misuse.

The same is expected in our daily soap. Show us all that is bad, in fact always show those bad incidences and consequences happening, but make the correct moral statement and do not tout things as love and sacrifices...that creates the wrong impression on young minds...show us what a young unmarried girl faces carrying a child by Jeeju...show us the reality that an unwed girl could face anywhere in the world - not some love BS...

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I never said Ovi was or is right...did i ? My question is if ovi is evil then how is purvi mahaan ?

Just noticed that to justify every point u brought in Ovi, does two wrongs make one right ? So the rape victim should rape the rapist to equalize... Is it ? To be very honest i don't understand the way u related rapist to what i wrote in the para... But can we keep the Delhi rape case out of this discussion...that is far more sensitive than anything happening in PR.

Can u tell me who was happy with her decisions, was Archana happy to see Ovi/Arjun married ? Is Arjun happy, is Ovi happy, was Archana happy when she left to Kolkata, will Archana be happy to hear that Purvi is carrying Arjun's baby? Will Arjun be happy that she kept this truth from him ? We all can see how happy Onir is going to be.. So who was, is or will be happy with Purvi's decisions.

So now a days sacrifice also means take life changing decisions for others while being fully aware that it could ruin someones life and that without consulting even our beloved parents, keep lying to one and all , ask your loved ones to prove their love time and again and keep interfering in others life even if thy don't like. Something new learnt from this forum😆 ...we are still going to argue that this is just a show and we don't take it seriously

And pls don't bring Ovi to justify the above point, Ovi is bad...bad...baaad...i know...so pls tell how Purvi is mahaan after taking such destructive decisions.

It is good u don't take offense, but i just wanted to reaffirm that i did not intend to offend anyone.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: LKJCBTR




HOnestly guys, stop pointing fingers... If India was not influenced by the West, then they (no offence) would be very backward... I mean they still think women should not wear "western clothing". Are you kidding me? At least these shows portray women power!
I am not trying to start fights.. I am from America, and i def believe that India is trying to be more western, which is NOT a bad thing, but people should not forget their values... I was born in America, and very proud to be American Indian, but my friends who happen to be Caucasian (Which is NOT a BAD thing, I LOVE THEM VERY MUCH)... are very out there, who sleep around thinking they are in love in the seventh grade (Which happens in many Hollywood MOvies)! If you see watch Hollywood movies, and a girl is a virgin, her friends make fun of her as if it is taboo... Look at any teen shows, (Gossip Girl, PLL, Vampire Diaries) I love all of them, but they are just wayyy out there...
I just think Indians can have their Indian Values, but still be very western.

I am not rtying to offend anyone out there, SOrry if I did...





I am not implying it, I'm basically stating it. Yes, like the above person, I too was born and raised and live within the midst of " the west" so I know what it's like 100%. You should see how the schools are here, how kids since young ages lose focus on education, family, etc and drown in sex, boyfriend/girlfriend problems, etc etc etc. and yes, there really is no established distinct culture, unless you call hamburgers and beer and sleeping around like you're eating candy, culture. And college??? Oh my god let me not even go there! And no, don't get me wrong, I love my Caucasian friends. And you know what they always tell me?? " you're Indian, that's so cool. You guys have culture and family and such a sense of togetherness and values. I love how you guys have that." Be proud of what you have, everyone. India is beginning to lose the very values and culture that make it so respected. Trust me on this when I say it's really not THAT amazing to be "western" and have "western values." when Ekta shows stuff like this it hurts me so bad because I know if India continues to be westernized in the way that it does, then the future is only something that we can pray for. And shame on whoever wrote purvis character that way. And even teju, who was arguing with her grandmother that way! Whatever happened to respect. Sad sad sad. I love my India. I just don't want it to lose its identity.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ReemaRani





I am not implying it, I'm basically stating it. Yes, like the above person, I too was born and raised and live within the midst of " the west" so I know what it's like 100%. You should see how the schools are here, how kids since young ages lose focus on education, family, etc and drown in sex, boyfriend/girlfriend problems, etc etc etc. and yes, there really is no established distinct culture, unless you call hamburgers and beer and sleeping around like you're eating candy, culture. And college??? Oh my god let me not even go there! And no, don't get me wrong, I love my Caucasian friends. And you know what they always tell me?? " you're Indian, that's so cool. You guys have culture and family and such a sense of togetherness and values. I love how you guys have that." Be proud of what you have, everyone. India is beginning to lose the very values and culture that make it so respected. Trust me on this when I say it's really not THAT amazing to be "western" and have "western values." when Ekta shows stuff like this it hurts me so bad because I know if India continues to be westernized in the way that it does, then the future is only something that we can pray for. And shame on whoever wrote purvis character that way. And even teju, who was arguing with her grandmother that way! Whatever happened to respect. Sad sad sad. I love my India. I just don't want it to lose its identity.

Funny, your post reminded me what a Caucasian friend/Colleague (boy) told me quite a few years ago, He said 'I wish we had arranged marriage, it could make life so much simpler'...said it in the context of GFs and dating...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ReemaRani





I am not implying it, I'm basically stating it. Yes, like the above person, I too was born and raised and live within the midst of " the west" so I know what it's like 100%. You should see how the schools are here, how kids since young ages lose focus on education, family, etc and drown in sex, boyfriend/girlfriend problems, etc etc etc. and yes, there really is no established distinct culture, unless you call hamburgers and beer and sleeping around like you're eating candy, culture. And college??? Oh my god let me not even go there! And no, don't get me wrong, I love my Caucasian friends. And you know what they always tell me?? " you're Indian, that's so cool. You guys have culture and family and such a sense of togetherness and values. I love how you guys have that." Be proud of what you have, everyone. India is beginning to lose the very values and culture that make it so respected. Trust me on this when I say it's really not THAT amazing to be "western" and have "western values." when Ekta shows stuff like this it hurts me so bad because I know if India continues to be westernized in the way that it does, then the future is only something that we can pray for. And shame on whoever wrote purvis character that way. And even teju, who was arguing with her grandmother that way! Whatever happened to respect. Sad sad sad. I love my India. I just don't want it to lose its identity.

With all due respect to everyone but why people are bashing western culture and society when you very people are living in their country where they are providing an education for you or your children,salary,employment and putting food on your table and a roof over your head...if you dont like the western society then leave and go back India and preserve the value and culture.but dont be spoonging off in another man's country and bad mouthing it...that is the highest level of disrespect...If people love their India go back India and see if India with all its culture and vlaues can have made you and your parents as successful as you are today..DOnt ever bite that hand that feeds you...
My ancestors are from India but I love living in my western society.I dont ever wish to go India or care for their culture because eventhough they have some good traditions they also have some bad traditions...My ancestors came poor and in poverty stricken to this land , this western society gave us the opportunity to be successful finacially,educationally and tradition/culture. sometimes i dont practice western cultures or their norms but i dont knock it at the same time because i do not know how my life would have turned out if my ancestors stayed in India.So i will always be grateful to the western society for all they have given me bad or good becuae at the end of the day we, whose family have left their homeland for a better life for their kids and have actually gotten it must not be an ingrate.If you do not like something do not bash it or complain,just leave it and gravitate towards what you like or think is befitting to your class or standards.preserve and protect what you have but do not be kncoking what others find are suitable for their lives or comforatble with
.I respect western people alot because eventhough they are always trampled upon due to their lack of culture ,morals and values people from all over the world still want to go and park their behind in the caucasan country so they can be successful.if your counrty has so much of family unity,values ,tradition and culture why leave it and run to the western land???some of the best and top notch Universities/colleges in the world comes from the same western society with their sleeping around, beer drinking and broken family values.but they know what is more important educating and empowering young people to make reasoned decision and develop problem solving skills .http://www.ulinks.com/topuniversities.htm.
Have a Blessed and wonderful day..Peace
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@pink: Oh really? Do u think youngsters r such a big fools that they would like to follow purvi's foot step in pyar ki nishani? And i dont know why all youngsters r taking lessons from purvi and not from ovi? Going on with ur logic many youn girls migh have started following ovi after deal fiasco. Right.?

Thanks for the condescending tone in your response. 😊

Who knows, if they show OVi getting whatever she wanted by this deal, people may think that passing off such deals to get husbands or emotional blackmail is alright. I am not in favor of what was shown on Ovi's part too. When Ovi went to Purvi with the check to buy her out, Purvi slammed it on her face. THAT was the right way to go about putting Ovi's arrogance in her place. I was lauding Purvi for doing that. Same way, when Ovi put the deal forth, the right thing was to put Ovi in her place once again and tell the D's to get her psychiatric help instead of falling for her deal and giving up the fiance. THAT, i would have lauded, if they had shown. That would have clearly demarcated Purvi as the positive lead who knows what is right and how to handle such situations the right way and Ovi as the negative who kept coming up with her BS ideas but got reprimanded by Purvi and the entire family. Instead nobody ever gets to the root of the problem with either girls. Ovi should be looked after by Manav and Archana right after Arjun dumped her, and get her mental help. Instead they let her be, rubbing Purvi;s wedding in her face and exacerbated the issue. Even today, instead of putting both the sisters in separate houses, getting Ovi to understand and Purvi to realize that she has no right controlling lives like this, the family is a mute spectator and ends up only upholdign Purvi's mistakes as mahaanta and Ovi's mistakes as immaturity. THAT is what I want.


@pink: Show me separate post opened by me to bash ovi? I always comment on few post over here where i find too mcuh respect for ovi. Did i said i m neutral viewer? I am not as i dont like to bash some1 on the name of neutral viewer. I dont like ovi and have guts to accept it openly. And difference between us? I guess similarity is that both of us r human and difference is that i m in arvi group and u r of course neutral. Right? 😆

Your laugh is truly contagious so 😆 here goes :) I am neutral because I myself loved ARVI and their story. I loved how it took shape and I hated Ovi's guts and the D;s for not setting her straight. EVen now, her drinking is something I don't agree with at all. But, I also see that the whole web created by Purvi darling, has affected everyone including Ovi, so from what I see, Purvi has the fair hand on everything, whereas Ovi gets the unfair end of things. Both need to be reprimanded, but in front of Purvi, Ovi almost looks justified to me.

@Underline: Where am i taking arvi seriously? I like them and want them back but if its not possible or cvs have no such plan so of course i m not planning to commit suicide. I am ok and of course would use my remote to search other couples on other channel.

You told us to take things lightly dear. We are not dying either if Purvi is shown mahaan despite her BS. We only comment on posts and discuss it. We don't mind either that the CV's show rubbish. At the end of the day, we are also watching the show to laugh at the stupidity of these so called leads. And yes, discuss morals maybe. It is my passtime, what to do?


Oh that is new zamaana for u? And for me its overdose of drama

Like I said, I respect your views, and it would help if you understand that I have my own. IT is a difference of opinion, not a war that I am trying to win.


@pink: If lot of other have no commonsense its their fault as i said earlier.

LOL. Don't worry, that's what I feel about people supporting ARVI too sometimes. IT is totally ok to keep commonsense at home and watch the jodi romance. Not their fault that they don't see what I see. And not my fault either, that I see something very impertinent and stupid according to them.

Everyone has right to ask whatever they want. How they r wrong if they demand arvi? Are they going out of their limits? Or committing any crime for arvi reunion? How could u claim that they r not taking it lightly? I would like to call them true fans. Thats all.

Oh pray, tell me, you brought up the topic of tkaing things lightly. I was just telling you to practice what you preach dear. Maybe I am a true fan of morality then? Am I going out of my limits discussing what I find fun or interesting?


@pink You want ekta to pass declaimer that not to try such stunts at home? Hilarious.

I usually do have a good sense of humor. So thanks. On that note another 😆
No need for disclaimer dear. But don't make big bhashans by leads about how sanskaari they are when they are opposite. Sends out wrong signals.




@pink: Watch careful arjun-purvi inmate scene was not so deep where they need to worry about underage children.'

I was not even talking about the intimate scene. It was a metaphor. Maybe you did not get my point. So let it be. No point going further into details.



@pink: So u want ovi to get tag of mahaan and tyagi? I dont find purvi mahaan at all if u find her such a big tyagi so there should be some reason behind it. If her sacrifices r equal to tyag and mahaanta so she should get credit.

I think both of them are very normal characters with major flaws. Except Ovi is shown as negative and Purvi despite her flaws is shown as sanskaari do-gooder beti. Show both as girls who have flaws and get reprimanded with dire consequences for their foolish actions. In that sense, even Ovi needs to be reprimanded for her tantrums which the D;s don't do and keep quiet aggravating her BS behavior at so many points. But then, noone points a finger at Purvi either. she is hooted around as the great one with all sanksaars in their place and one who can do no wrong. Put them both in their place, not one on a pedestal and one buried under the ground. THAT is why I call myself neutral dear. I do not open posts lauding Ovi or Savita either. I say it as it is, wrong or right.


@pink: Any1 asked u not to discuss? And if u wish open 100 AT for savita and ovi seperately.

Ermmm, you said take things lightly and wondered why we are discussing morals on this entertaining show? I think you must re-read your comments and rewind a little.

Why target on arvi fans. Just because ovi and savita doesnt have such huge fan followings it doesnt mean neutral viewers should blame arvi fans for everything. Who said every action of arvi fan is justified. Go check forum and u'll find most of post against arvi. I guess everything neutral fans do is justified sounds good.

Who says what we say is justified? We have our points that most of you do not agree with. It is totally fine by me man. I don't care. You may find me illogical and I may find you illogical. I am not here to win some war of I am right vs you are wrong. I can be right and you can be right in our own respective ways.


@pink: Husband started new life with instruction that he loves purvi and still want to start fresh life with ovi. Why cant she ask him to take time to come out of her previous love life before consumation. And in party ovi was completely convince with punnis words that arjun and purvi r in relationship

Ermmm, it is Ovi's fault to the extent that she doesn't see through these lovers and their secret deals and decisions and buys in everytime because she is blonde. Arjun is mainly to blame for this, because if he loved Purvi why bring a child into this world knownig well he cannot love the baby's mother with all his heart? Ovi could have thought that having a baby would make their relationship better, considering she eally wants this to work. Isn't that a normal point of thinking? But Arjun doesn't want his marriage to work, nor does he love Ovi, so why make babies? But ofcourse, he is the hero hiralal of this show, so whatever he does, I guess, his perfect looks and charming self wipes all BS decisions out.

Agree ovi is blind but not in love but in her obsession. You call her lover? She dont allow to breath her husband peacefully and people call it love. Never mind this is kalyug.

Yeah well two crazy lovers, one who gives up fiance after passionate night of intimacy and gets pregnant, and another who humbly agrees to every word his lover says without using his own brain, THAT is love? Kalyug is sure descending on us ! I agree 😉

I used to think Ovi's love for Arjun is obsession, but off late I think it is her genuine love for him, maybe a little misunderstood. Again, my point of view. You can have yours.

What she gained by informing her family? And its shame a girl talk about her bed room openly. And that also in front of guest.? Still she was not pleading? Great. 👍🏼

LOL. Better than Purvi the great who lies through her teeth about EVERYTHING to the family that openly gave her love despite not having been with her the majority of their life. I prefer honest truth to blatant lies. My POV strictly.

Now how ovi's behaviour seems justified? Leave it i dont want to learn basics of ovi's behavior as i m not neutral.

Yeah I think it will be pretty complex to explain. So I can see my way, you see yours. I have no issue with that.


@pink: even ovi dont deserves arjun or any1 else. Proved theorem neither she can live peacefully nor allow others to live. Looking at her barking spirit- hats off to arjun for tolaraating her for such long time. I hate purvi for 1 thing that she found such normal person for herself and handled arjun to this mental package. Once more let me remind u i m not neutral and ovi hater so dont ask me lightly question once again.

hahahah, thanks for reminding me. Again, because YOU mentioned that we should take it :lightly", I told you to do the same.



@pink: I know what to do and where to comment. I dont think any1 has right to ask me not to comment here. Coming to tv and update matter go and read clearly where i mentioned if it is torture for u. I was not giving order to any1 and expect others not to order me. Right?😊

Absolutely. You said that we can change channel if we don't like something. I told you to do the same with posts. Not an order, just reminding you of what you said works vice versa also na. 😊




Oh thank u for agreement.
My pleasure 😊


Oh thank u. Right now good night. After this comment i m almost out of this post as tired of colorful font.


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