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Posted: 12 years ago
Dear Kittya,

I am VERY happy to see that young people like you are not all swept away by the surging tide of crassness that is drowning the media the world over, and that you are so grounded and think so deeply and clearly. 'Meeting' you, and some others, gladdens my heart ,and is one of the genuine benefits I have gained for all the endless hours wasted in this forum since April 2012.

Yes, and you can write letters as well! And here one does not have to bother about envelopes and stamps and walking to the nearest post office box.

I would like to write to you about the points you have raised, and in greater detail, but of course not here, as it would be totally off topic. For example, Enid Blyton was a childhood favourite, and the Wishing Chair and the Magic Faraway Tree books were the first ones I read out to my little Sasha (Siddhartha) beginning from when he was not even 4. Those, and Tolkien's The Hobbit. He used to stand up in his cot and recite the names of all the dwarves with great glee. Incidentally, with Tolkien, you should start with that one, not The Lord of the Rings.

Now for the practical arrangements. If you would like to stay in touch with me even after I leave this forum, which will be any day now (as soon as it is confirmed that Purvi's baby is Arjun's, and no looking back,like a nicotine addict seeking 'just one last little puff'!), and if you are all right with it, please send me a PM with your e-mail id, and from then on we can switch to e-mail. Of course only if you are ok with that.

Take care,my dear.

Shyamala Aunty

PS: About Harry Potter, do take a look at my take on Severus Snape, on page 7 of the ARVI today threat at http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3383690&PID=73620788&#73620788. It will appeal to you.

Originally posted by: Kittya_Cullen



Whenever you respond to someone, I go back to the days of letter-writing, although I'm really not old enough to claim those days. It's always delightful popping into to the forum and reading your opinions on certain things, I may not always agree, but the simple pleasure of reading them is most definitely good enough for me. Believe it or not, I have actually not done much J.R.R. Tolkien reading. Every time I begin one of the books, I become distracted by something else and it moves to the bottom of my reading list. In recent months, being on forum, and indulging in a bit of fan-fiction writing, as well as discussions over in the Punar Vivaah forum, has taken up much of my free-time, and reduced my reading hours. Currently, I am about to start my journey with Tolkien yet again, in hopes of actually finishing a chapter this time. However, I'm not quite sure when that will be done with. I'm working my way through Anna Karenina. Since it's been some time since I've read "old English", the first few pages were tedious, but I've been re-acclimatised now.

All in all, the point of all these sentences is that Enid Blyton (believe it or not) was the other favourite. When I was younger, I had quite a voracious appetite for her work. I was always searching for any that could get my hands on. Most of the time, I read her books at night, and the effect was truly something else. It was her introduction to fairytales and magic that made the world of Harry Potter such an easy transition for me in some ways, for I was already familiar with goblins, wands and trolls. However, that certainly was not the reason for me staying with and following the Harry Potter series. Rowling penned such a world, that I simply could not stay away. The manner in which I read always allows me to see images rather than words on paper, and although the objects and places were foreign, the feelings evoked were not. I felt anger at the injustices, happiness with each success, fear when I could sense that something was about to go wrong, and I am not ashamed to admit that I shed tears when Dumbledore. Her description of that moment, and the emotions following after were so powerful. When I ended the book, I could not stop replaying that moment over and over in my mind. Perhaps, what made it stronger was the poignant message that sometimes we can do all in our power to make a difference, but our efforts are simply not always enough. Sometimes the results really are not worth the act, but that does not make the journey any less important.

For a modern series, everything in there pointed to very interesting (and useful) subliminal messages, and it pains me to know that at times I sit watching drivel or reading trash. So many wasted hours keeping track of Pavitra Rishta when all it did was achieve new lows. I've been watching some movies recently, and I keep seeing the relationship that exists between jija-saali/devar-bhabhi and while I am modern, and of a different culture, I fail to see how the nonsense promoted in the show is greeted with such love and mindless adoration. It is as if viewers have foregone their senses to watch the foolishness they portray just for a half an hour of pleasure. Yet, I know, that atleast three quarter (Platform 9&3/4 just came to mind😆) of the people would never even allow themselves to allow their thoughts to wonder in their personal lives. Why allow this to slowly ooze into the minds of those younger who are still creating their moral compasses, and are not yet capable of keeping morals in mind when making important decisions about love, lust and marriage? Is it necessary to promote adultery to satisfy the masses? Are they implying that secretly the audience is married but has outside lovers? Or are they suggesting that it is a secret desire of many, so go ahead and try your chance at it?

When I finally stopped viewing Pavitra Rishta, I had become tired of having my common sense, intelligence and morality blatantly spat upon by those I went to for entertainment. I am not begging to be entertained, they have chosen to do so. Therefore, the least that can be done is having them respect my opinions as a viewer. Why destroy a "love" so strong in the first place? I can understand Purvi feeling indebted to Archana for her care, but surely anyone can see that with or without her "gifting" Arjun to the obsessed Ovi, Manav and Archana's marriage was doomed. Such unrealistic portrayals all around. Though the amusing thing is Archana and Manav atleast had real marital issues. Issues that could have been addressed in this show rather than showing bullscrank. Many couples have distrust, insecurity,meddling family members, etc. pulling them apart. Why not make the show truly "Pavitra" and show how these things were dealt with by the common man, and what measures should and should not be taken to maintain all of the relationships a married couple have. Atleast with Punar Vivaah, I am able to see a storyline, I know what message is coming across, and I understand the psychological make-up of the characters, but this...this stopped "currying" favour with me in all aspects.

I haven't seen any of the shows you mentioned, since I don't really have Indian television at home. However, judging from what I have seen of the Indian viewership, it seems many have become so accustomed to mediocre television content, that anything different in the right way is not well received. Producers everywhere bow to the pressure of TRPs and storylines are butchered from every angle to meet the "audience's desires". Characters are irrevocably damaged, messages are lost and nonsense reigns on the television. I watch Indian television specifically because it is so different from the amoral workings of some aspects of "Western" television. However, it seems certain things that make Indian television enjoyable are being slowly changed for the worse. Sure, some things needed to be changed. Yes, evolution is necessary. Yet the fact remains that not every popular fad is good. If people were to decide that walking nude on the streets was the new fashion statement, would that make it alright?

Well, let me stop here. I don't want to accidentally offend anyone, and I really must get to bed. It is rather late over here. All the best on your side for a wonderful new year. I hope it is prosperous, and that even in the not so prosperous times, something new is gained.

Yours sincerely,

Kittya.

(Seems that letter writing effect got to me in the end.)



Originally posted by: sashashyam


Dear Kittya,

How lovely to hear from you after so long! And thank you so very much for your comments about my take on Harry Potter. Let me guess who the 'other' favourite author of yours is, Tolkien?

As for what you have said about the need to create a recognisable world with characters one can identify with, I agree with you totally, except that it is very rare to find anything of the kind on TV. The only one I can think of in recent times was Yashraj TV's Powder, telecast for 6 months from Jan-Jun 2010, in 26 one hour episodes, one a week. It was about the global narcotics trade, whence the name. As I know a good bit about the official agencies working to curb the drug trade in India and elsewhere, I was thrilled by the authenticity of the screenplay and the direction, and the excellent casting. Perhaps predictably, it did not do well in terms of the TRPs, in part because Sony did not promote and handle it well, and after a few more attempts, including a very good adaptation of Kane and Abel as a daily, again for 6 months, called Kismat, Yashraj gave up on TV, more is the pity. So we are left to the tender mercies of Balaji and the rest.

Let me wish you a healthy, peaceful and fulfilling 2013. Take care.

Shyamala



Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
So much for "I must head to bed now". I don't ever remember being that much like others my age, and even now while I've learned to mingle better, I'm still somewhat of an oddball. Ah well, t'is entertaining from my point of view rather than troubling. Like you though, I have made many friends across the forums, and Pavitra Rishta was the first forum in which I made friends and shared laughter. It's been an enjoyable forum experience so far, especially talking with you, Kool Di, Varsha Di and everyone else. Although I know longer watch the show, I always come here to see what everyone has been saying, I peek for a hint of KC as well. Nothing like a dose of KC to make Pavitra Rishta palatable. Satire certainly makes life enjoyable.

Funny that you should mention post office. I have one a few feet away from me, but have never used it to send a missive, only the odd package. Yet, here I am with penpals in India, Australia, Malaysia and other parts of the world. Atleast viewing Pavitra Rishta and a few others was worth the forum introduction.

Thank you for the link, and I have PMed the information as well. (Especially after you mention "The Wishing Chair" how could I not?😆) Also, thank you for adding the "Aunty" to the end. I was unsure of where to tread regarding it, that's why with most members senior to me I use "Di" as a sign of respect. It makes me feel odd addressing elders by their full name.

Officially making way for completely on topic discussions now. I don't want the moderators to step in and give me a warning of any sort. Will head over to the appropriate communication zone.

Yours truly,

Kittya.

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Goodevening tide from my side everyone! Have a "happy" time discussing Pavitra Rishta. Lord only knows why the show wasn't renamed and given over to the younger characters with a decent storyline.🤔

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Kittya,

I am VERY happy to see that young people like you are not all swept away by the surging tide of crassness that is drowning the media the world over, and that you are so grounded and think so deeply and clearly. 'Meeting' you, and some others, gladdens my heart ,and is one of the genuine benefits I have gained for all the endless hours wasted in this forum since April 2012.

Yes, and you can write letters as well! And here one does not have to bother about envelopes and stamps and walking to the nearest post office box.

I would like to write to you about the points you have raised, and in greater detail, but of course not here, as it would be totally off topic. For example, Enid Blyton was a childhood favourite, and the Wishing Chair and the Magic Faraway Tree books were the first ones I read out to my little Sasha (Siddhartha) beginning from when he was not even 4. Those, and Tolkien's The Hobbit. He used to stand up in his cot and recite the names of all the dwarves with great glee. Incidentally, with Tolkien, you should start with that one, not The Lord of the Rings.

Now for the practical arrangements. If you would like to stay in touch with me even after I leave this forum, which will be any day now (as soon as it is confirmed that Purvi's baby is Arjun's, and no looking back,like a nicotine addict seeking 'just one last little puff'!), and if you are all right with it, please send me a PM with your e-mail id, and from then on we can switch to e-mail. Of course only if you are ok with that.

Take care,my dear.

Shyamala Aunty

PS: About Harry Potter, do take a look at my take on Severus Snape, on page 7 of the ARVI today threat at http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3383690&PID=73620788&#73620788. It will appeal to you.



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Posted: 12 years ago
Awww kittya 🤗

For thinking that way about KC .😊 And I like odd balls coz I am one too .
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Awww kittya 🤗


For thinking that way about KC .😊 And I like odd balls coz I am one too .

It's one of the best things about I-F😃🤗 and glad to know that you like oddballs. We can do a high-five over our "awesome" oddball-ness😆. I wish I could have taken over those CVs jobs prior to the leap, but then you might have been writing KCs about my nonsense instead🤣🤣
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Posted: 12 years ago
Thank you for all the warm replies :)

Kools- Thanks for updating me! I see that I was right in quitting :P Can it get worse? This is definitely on the lines of "The Bold and the Beautiful" where everyone was simply having an affair with everyone, incest included! Why name a show " Pavitra Rishta" when you are trying to go on the lines of loose morals. And as usual I couldn't stop laughing at your suggestion of PAvitra Baccha, Pavitra Vyakulta, Pavitra Jaldi..ahahahah! That would definitely be more apt..It is so crazy that Purvi lied to Onir about her past? And people call her the lead? So sanskaar training includes lying whenever convenient to you, having sex before marriage and then throwing the boy into your sister's arms, eye locking with jeeju remembering old times, and finally imposing yourself and your baby on the sister who is screwed up in life thanks to you...Quite the lead..She definitely beats Archana in this case. Even with all my reservations, I would let the whole "got too intimate" before marriage slip by ( even though it's absurd that they could not wait another day), but after doing the deed, and then dumping him away without consequences just doesn't cut through for me. And then she comes back into their lives with her baby ready to proclaim what she does not deserve. Purvi is the most disgusting character in PR right now. No sympathies for her. I guess you stopped doing KC's because of this ghastly track. I kept checking in for your KC's, found them missing so never came back. :P If you all stop watching PR and coming on the forum, how am I to keep in touch with you all? Maybe we should all head to devon ke dev forum next? Or possibly exchange emails or PM each other whenever :)

Varsha Di- missed you all...so glad to have peeked into the forum...In the short span that I joined the forum, I have become so fond of everyone here, that like Shyamala Aunty said, it is all worth it :) I see that we are still a minority on the forum even after the unusual track that is coming up. IT is amusing to me to see everyone support Arjun-Purvi despite what has happened. I guess love drenched in the rain beats any pheras and sindoor and marital status. :P

Shyamala Aunty- I feel that most of us in the 20's still follow the same morals and ideals that our parents did..And inspite of living away from India, I am glad these are still intact. It is good to change with the zamaana as they say, but I believe you can only stretch a little or become flexible or broad-minded on things that don't change your moral compass. e.g- MY parents were never too happy with the idea of inter-caste marriages, but with today's world, I guess I would be. But the idea of cheating in marriage, or giving up on your husband because you found love outside of marriage suddenly, incestuous relationships..all of this would never be flexible. But seems like, for a lot of youngsters these days, it is what they see in the media, TV or films that shapes their ideas about what is/what isn't ok. And we all know what the movies and media portray. The entire pressure of being "cool" is what drives the 20 somethings. Fitting in, peer pressure, a certain reputation ( which is not always good) to uphold, having the latest of everything, and much worse is what this generation is worried about. One of my friend's younger sister was telling me about how one of the boys she was meeting for potential marriage match, asked her if she had had any sexual experience before as it would be very important in their relationship". Ofcourse, she rejected this boy, but was very shaken by the notions that people her age have out there. That night I sat and heard stories about college life in Bombay and what goes on between all these adolescent kids and how common sexual promiscuity is and the uglier truth being, it is considered very normal. I was shocked beyond belief but was told that this is the reality out there. These shows propagate such wrong ideas and values on the name of being family soaps. If I had my way, my kids would not get access to these things until I was sure they know right from wrong. Imagine Pavitra Rishta being a show that you had to have parental control over. :P

I apologize for the long rant, but having come to the forum after long, I think I got carried away !

Kittya - Loved your post! From your take on Harry Potter ( I am a huge fan too) and to the present day nonsense shown in PR, it was a delightful read! Seems like we might be around the same age, so glad to have met someone with similar ideas :)
Edited by pari87 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam


Dear Kittya,

How lovely to hear from you after so long! And thank you so very much for your comments about my take on Harry Potter. Let me guess who the 'other' favourite author of yours is, Tolkien?

As for what you have said about the need to create a recognisable world with characters one can identify with, I agree with you totally, except that it is very rare to find anything of the kind on TV. The only one I can think of in recent times was Yashraj TV's Powder, telecast for 6 months from Jan-Jun 2010, in 26 one hour episodes, one a week. It was about the global narcotics trade, whence the name. As I know a good bit about the official agencies working to curb the drug trade in India and elsewhere, I was thrilled by the authenticity of the screenplay and the direction, and the excellent casting. Perhaps predictably, it did not do well in terms of the TRPs, in part because Sony did not promote and handle it well, and after a few more attempts, including a very good adaptation of Kane and Abel as a daily, again for 6 months, called Kismat, Yashraj gave up on TV, more is the pity. So we are left to the tender mercies of Balaji and the rest.

Let me wish you a healthy, peaceful and fulfilling 2013. Take care.

Shyamala











Can i give you a virtual hug please? I thought i was the only one who loved "powder" . It was so freakingly brilliiant. Its the kind of programming that sadly you cannot expect out of indian serials these days. I remember the "good ole" days when despite of limited budgets we had serials like sea hawks. Really what is happening totelevision these days? It hurts the senses. Yashrajfilms make crappy movies these days but there serials were just fantastic. I really thought that finally things would change for tv. But sadly its still the same.

P.s: i love harry potter too. I think it was my first true "book" crush. Forget about the actual books, i read like a couple of hundred hours of fanfiction of hp. I still have some of the spectacular ones bookmarked because of their fantastic writing. As for harry and hermione, i think i'll love these kids forever
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Posted: 12 years ago
guys i just read some threads on the forum. everyone just seems angry at ovi...did she or did she not tell onir bad things about purvi? i dont understand?!? 😕
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Originally posted by: pari87

Kittya - Loved your post! From your take on Harry Potter ( I am a huge fan too) and to the present day nonsense shown in PR, it was a delightful read! Seems like we might be around the same age, so glad to have met someone with similar ideas :)


Nice to meet you Pari. I do believe we are about the same age. I set foot in my 18th year just last August 😃. I'm glad you enjoyed my mini ramble, I know I tend to get rather round-about when I write sometimes😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
Dear bips,

Of course! I am always happy to be hugged!😉

I will send you a PM shortly, when my wrist is a bit rested, about Powder, and Harry Potter too, of course. It would be too off topic here. I'll make just one point here: Indian TV has deteriorated after the advent of the commercial channels in such numbers. In the old days. Doordarshan was not driven by ad revenues. The next biggest corrupting factor is Balaji.

Alternatively, as I have decided to leave this forum for good when PR announces that Arjun is the father of Purvi's baby. you could send me a PM with your e-mail id. I will then send you mine and we can discuss all of the above in peace, without being dependent on this forum. Of course only if you are ok with it.

Take care.

Shyamala (Aunty if it is age appropriate!😉)

Originally posted by: bips



Can i give you a virtual hug please? I thought i was the only one who loved "powder" . It was so freakingly brilliiant. Its the kind of programming that sadly you cannot expect out of indian serials these days. I remember the "good ole" days when despite of limited budgets we had serials like sea hawks. Really what is happening totelevision these days? It hurts the senses. Yashrajfilms make crappy movies these days but there serials were just fantastic. I really thought that finally things would change for tv. But sadly its still the same.

P.s: i love harry potter too. I think it was my first true "book" crush. Forget about the actual books, i read like a couple of hundred hours of fanfiction of hp. I still have some of the spectacular ones bookmarked because of their fantastic writing. As for harry and hermione, i think i'll love these kids forever


Originally posted by: sashashyam


Dear Kittya,

How lovely to hear from you after so long! And thank you so very much for your comments about my take on Harry Potter. Let me guess who the 'other' favourite author of yours is, Tolkien?

As for what you have said about the need to create a recognisable world with characters one can identify with, I agree with you totally, except that it is very rare to find anything of the kind on TV. The only one I can think of in recent times was Yashraj TV's Powder, telecast for 6 months from Jan-Jun 2010, in 26 one hour episodes, one a week. It was about the global narcotics trade, whence the name. As I know a good bit about the official agencies working to curb the drug trade in India and elsewhere, I was thrilled by the authenticity of the screenplay and the direction, and the excellent casting. Perhaps predictably, it did not do well in terms of the TRPs, in part because Sony did not promote and handle it well, and after a few more attempts, including a very good adaptation of Kane and Abel as a daily, again for 6 months, called Kismat, Yashraj gave up on TV, more is the pity. So we are left to the tender mercies of Balaji and the rest.

Let me wish you a healthy, peaceful and fulfilling 2013. Take care.

Shyamala









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guys i just read some threads on the forum. everyone just seems angry at ovi...did she or did she not tell onir bad things about purvi? i dont understand?!? 😕


may be viewers wanted ovi to tell the full story to onir...she didn't tell anything to onir, she just said to him that 'its better if onir goes and asks purvi about it'...

and as ususal arjun thought what ovi said might create misunderstanding between onir and purvi as purvi hide everything from onir, so arjun is worried but his worry about purvi comes as angry on ovi...and atlast who ever did the mistake ovi has to tell sorry...

i feel the story is quite boring...archu/sulo did so many mistakes and atlast they are good people and savita took all the blame...same story is repeating, i am sure i the future ovi will take all the blame...

precap was good...looks like 2 reports come one for ovi and one for purvi, and as we know archu will be more interested to see purvi's report, so archu tries to see purvi's report and purvi gets tensed and takes the report from archu hand, but archu says 'anyhow she don't understand what is in the report when onir comes he will take a look at the report'...ovi observes the thingy, i am sure she will get to it...

first of all archu doesn't have any interest on her own blood ovi, if at all she showed interest and if at all ovi does the act of taking report from archu's hand, then everyone will say ovi is very bad...

CVs are still confused to say its arjun's baby in purvi tummy, they are just keeping ti seceret...and what type of famous obgyn is onir is, he doesn't even know how far purvi pegnancy is...and archu, she is well educated mother of 4 and who fought against her husband while twin preggo cannot read a pregnancy report...

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