The Protect Arjun Project: in praise of Jyoti

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Alert: This is being posted independently just for more eyeballs (it is not just PR that hs to worry about TRPs!). Those who have already endured the version posted last night on Jyoti's thread can skip directly to the last section, the one below the dotted line.Unless of course you are tearing your hair and exclaiming "A plague on this wretched female!".

My dear Jyoti,

Welcome to the Protect Arjun (now not Arjun Kirloskar) Project (PAP)!
This is a chronically understaffed and forever overworked outfit, and no one is better placed to testify to its endless efforts to explain, argue and otherwise debunk unwarranted attacks on Archana's boy than I. And Archana of course, but then, unlike me, she can be accused of a maternal bias.

However, despite all our eloquence, logic (well, we do not believe in any undue modesty!) and persistence, I doubt whether we have been able to dent the strength of the Critics of Arjun Group (CAG) to any significant extent, even of those who always preface their salvos with " It is not that I do not like AK, but..." (a pronouncement strongly reminiscent of Sir Humphrey Appleby in Yes Minister explaining that he is not against women).

You have made an entry into the PAP in style, with the opening post in In Arjun's defence. Though this latest post of yours is, sensibly, limited to countering the latest salvo against him - that he did not handle Ovi correctly in his chance meeting with her on the road - it is crisp, comprehensive and entirely convincing to all those who keep an open mind on the subject of the bizarre goings on in PR. No wonder you have garnered a unprecedented amount of support.

I used to think, at the beginning of my PAP accreditation, that the persistent hostility to Arjun was directly related to the strength of the pro-Purvi lobby, which can be conservatively placed at about 95% of the forum. Those were the days when Purvi was shrieking (now, after watching Archana in action, I see where she got this high decibel addiction from!) at Arjun every other day for his acts of omission vis a vis both herself and Ovi (who, she affirmed, had loved him since she was 14 - a Goebbelsian pronouncement if ever there was one, of unknown origin and eternal life).

Since Arjun those days was invariably tongue-tied and totally ineffective, as also very stupid in his handling of the triangular mess, my above-mentioned misconception was understandable, and even I could not condone Arjun's follies at times.

But then came his confession of his love for Purvi to Manav and the rest of the Deshmukh clan, followed by his rain-drenched rendezvous with Purvi, where he managed to override all her reservations, and topped off by his bearding Archana in her maternal den and coming off triumphant, with Purvi gazing at him as if to say "My hero!"

I thought that now the pro-Purvi lobby would at last be appeased, and the PAP could be quietly disbanded.

To my surprise, this is not what has happened. The CAG merely shifted ground somewhat, and instead of accusing him of betraying Purvi (a manifest impossibility now), they now accuse him of not just betraying Ovi, but of continuing to mislead her and push her deeper into her world of delusions. Poor Arjun, he can just do nothing right!

The only interludes when he gets a good press are when it is totally unavoidable, as after the three instances mentioned above, or when there is a nice (or even an abysmal, like the Shirt da Button) song that provides a romantic Arjun-Purvi diversion from serious business. However, these interludes are just that, and at the first opportunity, it is open season on Arjun again.

So you see, there is no winning this contest. This latest instance, for example, can be countered with 3 points:

1) If Arjun had told Ovi, out there in the street - as many in this forum have been advocating - that he was doing all this to win Purvi's hand, firstly, there would have been a hysterical scene that might have brought the police down on him for apparently harassing a girl.

2) Secondly, those who complain do not take sufficiently into account what monomania is like. Ovi would have attributed any such statement he made to some "majboori', exactly as she interpreted his confession to Manav. She would, next, have probably gone for Purvi with a kitchen knife a la Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction. It was thus wise of Arjun NOT to have told her the true reason for his setting out on his own.

3) Arjun just wanted to get away from her as quietly as possible, and that is what he does. He also thinks that she will not be able to get at him in the future as she won't know where he is, and that makes him even less inclined to upset her and have a scene created on the spot.

Similarly, the idea of either Arjun or DK or both having a 'quiet' talk with and apologizing to Ovi is a non-starter. Ovi is at present in a delusional state of total denial, and if she can persist in believing that Arjun still loves her after he has said, loud and clear, to her face and Manav's, that he does not love her and that he loves Purvi, what can be expected from a 'quiet' meeting with her, except that it likely to be anything but quiet?
Arjun has repeatedly expressed his regret for having, in effect, ditched Ovi. But then this is something that happens all the time in real life, and the person breaking off cannot be hung, drawn and quartered for it. Nor is here any point in saying that he should have broken off with Ovi before he said anything to Purvi. These things just happen, and cannot always be sequenced like a business meeting.
Agreed, Arjun should have told Ovi the truth much earlier, but it is not that he did not try. If DK had not fed all that guff about Arjun loving her to Ovi, she might have been a bit more sane now, but that was not Arjun's fault.
Arjun's bad luck is that Ovi is not the kind of girl who would scream at him for ditching her, perhaps throw a flower pot at his head, and then storm off and rub him out of her life. She will just not let go, and NOTHING that he can say or could have said will change that. Even if he was rough and blunt with her, she will attribute it to some 'majboori' (compulsion), as she does wrt his confession to Manav, and carry on as before. And I suspect that this would have been the same if he had managed to tell her the truth about Purvi that very first morning after his interlude with Aashana.
His worse luck is that he cares genuinely for Ovi, and that he is, above all, an honourable young man, even if impractical and non-savvy in matters of the heart. If he had been a cad or a real two-timer, he would have emerged from this mess spotless and unscathed.
He has made many mistakes, but then who in PR has not, and FAR more destructive ones than he? Archana's collateral damage record would beat that of the US in Afghanistan any day. Of Manav, the less said the better. He is at least ready to make amends for them as best he can.
Arjun's tenacity in fighting for his love, at times with his love herself, and his readiness to give up all that has defined and protected him so far for the sake of his love for her, should normally compel admiration, even if reluctantly given. It is a pity that even if it does so, it is all too fleeting. The PAP is obviously not going to be able to hang up its boots any time soon!
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While I am on the topic, I might as well add my twopennyworth about a couple of other points.
Ovi cannot be brought to see reason by slapping her or scolding her or reasoning with her. She is mentally imbalanced, and while she has always been a spoilt, coddled girl, I do not think her present delusional state is an act. Her family, and Arjun, have always been aware of this mental fragility in Ovi, and have thus sought to shield her from all ill winds. Remember the angry conversation she has with Arjun after she finds out that 'who aurat' is living in the same house as her father? He tells her that he hid that from her because he knew this was how she would react.
Now she is teetering on the edge of a breakdown, and she needs professional help. This said, Shruti Kanwar does an excellent job in that roadside meeting with Arjun. The helpless desperation in her face is heart-wrenching, however ill-considered it might be.

Archana is not going to 'be there' for Purvi. She is as obsessed as Ovi, only in a different way – with Manav's sufferings (the bulk of which is due to her own golddigger act) and with Ovi's. She subconsciously resents the fact that Purvi is the cause of the latter, and when she rejects Arjun so harshly, and seems not just to believe but to actually hope that he will fail in his mission, it is because she does not want Purvi to get what Ovi cannot have.

You , Jyoti, are spot on in your last para about this. As I posted elsewhere, thank heavens Archana does not live in the Karanjkar chawl these days! She would have been busy demoralizing Purvi and trying to hex Arjun into becoming a failure, just so that Manav and Ovi would feel better, and Purvi's happiness be damned.

We have to see how far Purvi stirs herself out of her sanskaari beti stupor, which makes her so totally tongue-tied in front of (or rather, to be precise, behind) her ranting aai that she cannot find the words to tell her that while she will not marry Arjun without Archana's consent, Archana is mistaken in calling Arjun all these names. Instead she stands there like a stone, sniffling occasionally and allowing picturesque tears to trickle photogenically down her cheeks. She seems so much like a goongi gudiya (dumb doll) when Archana is around that it is unbelievable.

If she truly loves Arjun, Purvi has to help him actively, and not just with cups of chai or kanda poha, and this in spite of Archana's minatory pronouncements during her periodic visitations. There have been so many voices calling for people to reason with Ovi. Why are there none (except our Archana's) calling for Purvi to rediscover her backbone and reason with her aai? Archana may have made her what she is, but Purvi is not her property to dispose of as she wishes. Nor should Purvi be made to pay her back her parvarish ki keemat (the price of her upbringing), like the doodh ki keemat (the price of the mother's milk) that mothers in the 1970s films used to demand to whip their errant sons into line.

I see PR treading water for the next few episodes (and this is not a riff on the suddenly introduced water line in front of the Karanjkar chawl), while Manav and the rest continue to stare at Ovi's fits, Archana, in the kitchen uses up her stock of Vicks Vaporub, and Arjun finds out that his handsome mug is not going to be enough to land him a job when he cannot produce any back up documents (as he cannot reveal his full name).

The stasis, with occasional puffs of smoke (it is all a smoke and mirrors act anyway), is likely to continue till the drums roll and the cymbals clash for 'Enter Soham!'

Shyamala


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shyamala nice post.

Purvi should try to reason with her aai but Archana happens to be Purvi's biggest weakness. She won't be able to do so. I agree that Archana maybe subconsciously resents that Purvi might get what Ovi cannot have. However, the poor lady's hands are tied. She doesn't want to show favoritism to her adopted daughter like Savita thinks and to ease Savita (and herself) she told Savita that Purvi will leave Arjun alone because he's not worth it.

I don't think Archana is a gold digger, it's just that she sends the wrong ( or is that right) message to Manav for Sachin's happiness.

As for Arjun, I wonder what kind of a job he will take up since he can't use his credentials as Arjun Kirloskar. I wonder what the CVs have cooked up for this. Knowing the CVs, he could be anything from a shoe polisher (🤢) to a car mechanic like his FIL, as "koi kaam chota ya barha nahi hai."
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear Nina,

No, no, I did not mean to suggest that Archana is a golddigger, far from it. That is why I used the word "act'. This said, as I wrote in a response to Janhvi recently, I hated the
very ugly scene she created at Punni's engagement, making a mockery of Manav;s love for her in order to prove her love to her 'son', who hates her guts. She did not then mind sacrificing the happiness of Manav, Teju, Ovi and even Purvi for this distorted version of maternal love.

Shyamala


Originally posted by: salvatore-nina

Shyamala nice post.


Purvi should try to reason with her aai but Archana happens to be Purvi's biggest weakness. She won't be able to do so. I agree that Archana maybe subconsciously resents that Purvi might get what Ovi cannot have. However, the poor lady's hands are tied. She doesn't want to show favoritism to her adopted daughter like Savita thinks and to ease Savita (and herself) she told Savita that Purvi will leave Arjun alone because he's not worth it.

I don't think Archana is a gold digger, it's just that she sends the wrong ( or is that right) message to Manav for Sachin's happiness.

As for Arjun, I wonder what kind of a job he will take up since he can't use his credentials as Arjun Kirloskar. I wonder what the CVs have cooked up for this. Knowing the CVs, he could be anything from a shoe polisher (🤢) to a car mechanic like his FIL, as "koi kaam chota ya barha nahi hai."

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shyamala,
I am sure the cv's are going to show us Arjun's hardships of finding a job (however illogical it is, being a canadian MBA!!), his disappointment, frustrations and ofcourse finally his achievement !! Purvi will be a witness to all this throughout his struggle. And despite that, there is a bigger possibility that Archana will still refuse Arjun even after he gives her the 10000 Just for the sake of manav and Ovi. I never believed that she did it for Purvi. I think she never thought that Arjun would take up the challenge and now she is worried - what if he succeeds!! If that happens, i strongly believe that Purvi will stand up for Arjun and rebel against her Aai. If nothing, atleast for the unfairness of it all !!!

At some point they do have to resurrect the backbone of Purvi. Maybe they are waiting for the right time :)
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Everything in this show practically stands on non-disclosure of facts to all the characters involved.
The charatcer Arjun wasn't let to tell the truth about his love to Purvi to all-n-sundry. This gave them 6 weeks worth of episodes.
Now the character Archana still doesn't know the truth about Arjun's love and hence has shown to be unreasonable. This might fetch probably another 6 more weeks worth of episodes. If not 6, atleast 4 more!
So, whom are we to blame when the entire premise of the show is such?
But there is a difference in the above 2 scenarios. In Arjun's case he did try to tell, in fact, multiple times. Once Ovi was busy talking about her modelling assignment with Romil and the other time Arjun was caught by the traffic cop for using cellphone while driving.
In Archana's case, she isn't putting the effort and using her brain to try and figure out the truth.

Anyway, coming to the topic at hand,
There are several things on this forum that I disagree on. There are some things that are out of this topic, but when I start to rant, then I better rant everything and take it off my chest.
1. Savita being the reason for Archana being unreasonable to Arjun. I totally disagree. Yes, Savita definitely is selfish and is of the opinion that what she could not get for her granddaughter, no one else should get it. Now think Why!? Does she in that case think Arjun is really worth? I'm digressing again .. but What I saw was that Archana had made up her mind that Arjun is a two-timer, cheat and does not deserve both the girls even before her talk with Savita. It was just incidental that Savita had this "talk" with Archana. Archana regardless would have went ahead with what she finally did to Arjun.

I still cannot understand what the purpose of the challenge from her side was? Was she trying to make him a better man? Really? As I see it, he is better in a lot of ways than the man she was trying to give example of undying love and Pavitra Rishta of. How would she look in Arjun's eyes and give her daughter's hands in his after all the words she told him?

2. Arjun buying Ovi out. Com'on.. really? Are both the intentions same? Ovi knows very well Arjun and Purvi love each other. It is a different matter than she does not want to accept it. But she came with the intention to break 2 lovers, she wanted Purvi to back off from the relation and wanted to win Arjun at any cost without a thought that he does not love her and would never be happy even if Purvi had obliged. How is that similar in any way to what Arjun did?

When Manav wanted Arjun to quit the company just for the reason that he would have to see his face everyday (when he was eventually going to take a break, then I wonder why he thought he would face him in the 1st place? Not a thought spared about OVT company!) ,Arjun is very clear that it is Purvi that he loves, but he does care for Ovi and does not have any ill feelings for her. He definitely doesn't intend to cheat and never did. He does feel bad for her, but he cannot give his love for her. All he can give and is capable and which is within his reach is to give everything else, and money(shares) is all that he has which is his.

Even Manav when trying to console Ovi, says I would get you all the high profile modelling assignments and better yet, I will open a modelling agency just for you. How is that buying daughter's happiness? As a parent, when you cannot get what the child is crying out for, then you try your best to do whatever else is in your capacity. It the same with Arjun and can never be termed as 'buying out'.

3. The last one is about Arjun-Ovi's latest encounter. When I judge characters, I do it based on what information the characters are aware of. I think this is very important to understand the story as well as to keep one's own sanity.

Arjun declared his love for Purvi in front of Ovi and he had 1 encounter with her where she hugs and says that "I know you still love me and for some unknown reasons you accepeted to love Purvi". From that Arjun does understand Ovi is in denial, he feels bad about it and thinks that it is her initial reaction.

Here it becomes very important to know what Arjun knows and does not about Ovi. He clearly does not know her outburst after his confession, he definitely does not know her hysterical behavior the next day, he does not know that Ovi blames Archana and Purvi for her state, he does not know that Ovi went to buy him out from Purvi, he definitely does not know that she had been living in the illusion that Arjun loves her (the way she says Teju - Arjun seems to be missing me a lot as he calls me almost everyday), he does not know that she did not catch the uneasiness in his voice when he tried to call her twice and talk about their "relationship" .. so there are a lot of things Arjun is not aware of about Ovi.

He thinks she is a normal good girl who is just upset at the revealation (Ovi never takes Arjun to task at the revelation or when she knew about Arjun-Purvi in her bday Party when she slapped Purvi, she never calls up Arjun asking him to clarify). These are the things that we know of Ovi.

So, his reaction to Ovi in Friday episode is just how he should be treating a caring friend whose heart he broke. He takes her hand out from his cheeks, assures her he is fine, and also at the end places his hand to show his care for a friend whom he had practially known all his life. At that point, he was himself not clear about what he had set out to do and how. There was no bad intention or planning from his side to hide the truth. He knew she is already hurt and telling her the details would simply worry her more.

And I don't think he was giving any wrong signals by telling that "I will return back" or by placing his hands on her head. It would be her mistake if she took both the word and his gesture out-of-context, more so after he himself told that he does not love her in front of the whole family. If she thought he gave her such "signals" then she should too very well clarify then and there as to why he was saying so after his announcement to the entire family of his love for Purvi. Doesn't she think it is contradictory of his actions and words?

Why is it that always it is Arjun to be blamed for everything? If she wants to "selectively" see and hear what she wants, how is it Arjun's fault?

It is a totally different matter that if he had told all the details to Ovi, there would have been a mess right at that spot (As Shyamala says Police would have to be called, and I think even an ambulance would had to be).

I also think that right now, Archana's challenge is his private matter and he does not have any reason to disclose it to Ovi. There is simply no need to. She does not need to know, she is no one to him and it is better if he keeps her distance from him.

So, there, those are my 2 cents worth. I am not here to change people's opinion and believe in "live and let live". If people are satisfied with their opinion, so am I.

Thanks for reading.

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Dear Shyamala,
Kudos again for the addendum!👏
The sarcasm you add, makes me smile even in the most serious of the paragraphs ! 😊

Spot on on everything, especially on Ovi & on Archana's subconscious thoughts. On the former - That was awesome, observation coming from a keen eye!; And on the latter, I think, you are right, that is the reason for her unreasonable behavior in accepting Arjun for Purvi and she is more involved in appeasing Ovi than trying to see the truth behind Arjun-Purvi matter.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Nice discussion yar!!! 👍🏼
Loved tat u r not bashing others in d discussion!!!❤️
Nice post!! me too agree wit u all...!!!!!😊😳
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Jyoti,

@red. The problems he will face in landing a job will be precisely because he cannot, thanks to his being now 'only Arjun' , show his degree certificates or his resume. How can he get ANY job without any credentials? It reminds of a very old Tamil film Athishiya Thirudan (The Amazing Thief), where a thief is forced by the Almighty to swear that he would never tell even the smallest lie. How this complicates both his 'professional' and his personal life can be readily imagined.

Archana would probably like Arjun to end up, as some others suggested, polishing shoes or breaking stones, in the hope that it would also break his spirit. Let us see what happens, and also look out for Soham to provide a new fulcrum for this tangled tale.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: jdronamraju



Shyamala,
I am sure the cv's are going to show us Arjun's hardships of finding a job (however illogical it is, being a canadian MBA!!), his disappointment, frustrations and ofcourse finally his achievement !! Purvi will be a witness to all this throughout his struggle. And despite that, there is a bigger possibility that Archana will still refuse Arjun even after he gives her the 10000 Just for the sake of manav and Ovi. I never believed that she did it for Purvi. I think she never thought that Arjun would take up the challenge and now she is worried - what if he succeeds!! If that happens, i strongly believe that Purvi will stand up for Arjun and rebel against her Aai. If nothing, atleast for the unfairness of it all !!!

At some point they do have to resurrect the backbone of Purvi. Maybe they are waiting for the right time :)

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I so agree with all your post.
The moment Archana came with her challenge...I knew she was not doing it because she wants the best for Purvi as so many think, but rather to keep Arjun away from Purvi , just to please Ovi ...and I've been keep saying this over and over. She wants to favour her own daughter here and this has nothing to do with Arjun being unfit for both girls.
Cause any sensible mother would want to hear the other side of the story from both Arjun & Purvi before coming to any conclusion and NO sensible mother would tell her daughter to choose btw her mom or her love WITHOUT knowing the full truth
I think somewhere Archana expected Arjun not to take up the challenge and now that he did, she's worried that he might succeed as well and that Purvi will get Arjun instead of Ovi...
And this is also the reason why i said before: it is yet to be seen if Archana keeps her promise or not
And if Archana comes back on her promise, then I want Purvi to stand up for herself and fight for herself and Arjun...We all know now that Sulo is going to defend Purvi when she finally takes a stand
And if Archana keeps her promise, only then I will believe that she equally loves both girls and is doing justice
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Dear Esha,

Thanks for the support. I too completely agree with you on what you have noted in the section @red. I hope you are also correct wrt Purvi, but I am doubtful if Purvi will stand up to Archana and with Arjun in such a crunch situation. The curious thing is that if it had been Ovi in the same position, she would have backed Arjun unquestioningly against her whole family.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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QUOTE=esha]I so agree with all your post.
The moment Archana came with her challenge...I knew she was not doing it because she wants the best for Purvi as so many think, but rather to keep Arjun away from Purvi , just to please Ovi ...and I've been keep saying this over and over. She wants to favour her own daughter here and this has nothing to do with Arjun being unfit for both girls.
Cause any sensible mother would want to hear the other side of the story from both Arjun & Purvi before coming to any conclusion and NO sensible mother would tell her daughter to choose btw her mom or her love WITHOUT knowing the full truth

I think somewhere Archana expected Arjun not to take up the challenge and now that he did, she's worried that he might succeed as well and that Purvi will get Arjun instead of Ovi...
And this is also the reason why i said before: it is yet to be seen if Archana keeps her promise or not

And if Archana comes back on her promise, then I want Purvi to stand up for herself and fight for herself and Arjun...We all know now that Sulo is going to defend Purvi when she finally takes a stand
And if Archana keeps her promise, only then I will believe that she equally loves both girls and is doing justice

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