The Protect Arjun Project: in praise of Jyoti

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soapwatcher1

@soapwatcher1

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Posted: 13 years ago

#11

True, Ovi would have left everyone for Arjun but she is Canada raised, different upbringing, spoilt, indulged, used to getting her own way, affluent and cannot think beyond what she wants or believes she wants anyway. This is the Ovi that has been portrayed. Purvi, on the other hand, is adopted, owes a debt of gratitude to a mother who in her own way has rubbed that into the girl's head (by constantly waxing poetical about her imaginary lost family and more recently about her sanskari upbringing), she does not have the money or mentality to walk away from all that she has known, she is more dependant on her mother, her aaji and even the chawlwallahs (saw how she moved away Friday when Arjun tried to wipe her tears), she is circumspect, dutiful and the least selfish so to expect her to throw caution to the winds and tie her fortunes to that of Arjun in the face of her mother's disapproval will be a long time coming.

Guilt is a great motivator and Purvi will be weighed down heavily by guilt, in fact crippled, if she ever even indulges in thoughts of going against her mother and her beautifully loving fairytale like family of caring baba and gorgeous daughters!

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jdronamraju

@jdronamraju

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Posted: 13 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

True, Ovi would have left everyone for Arjun but she is Canada raised, different upbringing, spoilt, indulged, used to getting her own way, affluent and cannot think beyond what she wantsor believes she wants anyway.This is the Ovi that has been portrayed.
</div>Purvi, on the other hand, is adopted, owes a debt of gratitude to a mother who in her own way has rubbed that into the girl's head (by constantly waxing poetical about her imaginary lost family andmore recently about her sanskari upbringing), she does not have the money or mentality to walk away from all that she has known, she is more dependant on her mother, heraaji and even the chawlwallahs (saw how she moved awayFriday when Arjun tried to wipe her tears),sheis circumspect, dutiful and the leastselfish so toexpect her to throw caution to the winds and tie her fortunes to that of Arjun in the face of her mother's disapprovalwill be a long time coming. <div>
Guilt is a great motivator and Purvi will be weighed down heavilyby guilt, in fact crippled,if she ever even indulges in thoughts of going against her mother and her beautifully lovingfairytale like family of caring baba and gorgeous daughters!

Well said about Purvi !! It is this very weakneas or goodness of Purvi that gave Archana the liberty or rather temerity to question their love and challenge Arjun. I dont think that archana could have done this if it was either of her darling daughters as they wouldnt have taken this from her or let her talk to Arjun this way!! i sincerely hope that if needed Purvi will finally stand up to her Aai or even question her. I would like to see some fire in her for her love. Otherwise it is as always, Arjun being the pursuer without too much help from Purvi.

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@FireLordPhoenix

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Posted: 13 years ago

#13

@ Esha- I too hope that if Archana goes back on her promise, then Purvi should fight against her mother for her love. We all know Arjun truly loves Purvi, it's only a matter of time that Archana finds out too.

@ Jahnvi - I also agree with you, Purvi will not go against her aai dearest, but I hope she will, only because when it comes to Arjun, she should put in a little more effort (the guy gave up everything for her).

However, I have doubts. I am reminded of another particular Ekta serial that reminds me so much of PR. It's called Kkusum (in the end, almost all the Balaji serials are the same and there isn't much to differentiate between them). In Kkusum, after the 18 year leap, Kkusum's daughter Kumud gets pregnant by the guy she loves (it was all mutual and everything and it happened before marriage😲). When Kkusum found out, I believe she kicked her daughter out of the house, despite her mother (Kkusum's mother was also played by Archana's mother Sulochana😆) telling her not to do so. Kkusum then favored her other daughter Kali (her dream child, if you will, produced by a surrogate) over Kumud, her own biological daughter. Kumud ended up marrying Kali's ex-fiance, and that upset Kkusum. This went on for quite some time until Kkusum finally forgave her daughter after realizing that Kali didn't give a damn about Kkusum Mom. So she went crying over to Kumud and mom and daughter made up. I don't remember all the details, but that's all I remember about that track.

If the same situation happens with Archana and Purvi, then 🤢. Hopefully that won't happen. I have faith that Arjun will do more than is required of him and impress his MIL by giving her more than the required amount and then taking her daughter away. And if Archana is not swayed by the boy's efforts, then Purvi better have nerves of steel and stand by her man. After all, even today Archana is standing by her man despite the pain and suffering each has given the other and Arjun-Purvi will have a better pavitra rishta than Manav-Archana.

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Inkpen4877

@Inkpen4877

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Posted: 13 years ago

#14

I really just think Ovi needs a therapist- her family can't help her. Get her into therapy, get her medicated and keep her away from any sharp objects!

And what happened to the Purvi I loved? The one who had no problems standing up to Arjun and getting in his face for what she believed in, shouldn't she be able to do that with other people as well?

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#15

Janhvi,

I had deliberately not gone down the road of motivations, and the ones you have listed for Purvi are all valid.

But those for Ovi, @ red, are not.Deciding to give up everything - family, friends, home - for the sake of love has NOTHING to do with background or upbringing. If it was so, one would not read, day in and day out in the papers, about young village boys and girls falling in love and then, in the face of family opposition, running away and getting married, often despite death threats that are at times carried out.

In fact your argument is self-contradictory; a rich, spoilt, coddled girl has a lot more to lose than a poor one. Purvi would have no problems living in a chawl, Ovi would have terrible ones, but I still feel now that she would take that leap without question.

It is a kind of deewanapan, that will never be there in Purvi (now don't jump down my throat, please!) even if she had not been adopted and weighed down by all this baggage of gratitude.

Maybe I am wrong about the depth of her love for Arjun, but I would like to see what she does if and when Archana goes back on her Rs.10000/- challenge (that she never thought Arjun would take up, and which she would be VERY sorry if he wins) and refuses to let Purvi marry him anyway. At that point, if Purvi has any guts, and the ability to do anything more than shed photogenic tears, she will have to defy her mother.

As I had noted in my PAP post,Archana may have made her what she is, but Purvi is not her property to dispose of as she wishes. Nor should Purvi be made to pay her back her parvarish ki keemat (the price of her upbringing), like the doodh ki keemat (the price of the mother's milk) that mothers in the 1970s films used to demand to whip their errant sons into line.

Thus there just might come a point (and I very much hope it does)when Purvi has to choose between Arjun and Archana, and I am looking forward to seeing whom she chooses. One can advance arguments in favour of either choice, but if she really loves Arjun, there can be only one choice.

You had once speculated on what Arjun would have done if DK had not backed him. I believe that he would still have done exactly what he has done now. It remains to be seen what your ladli will do when the shoe is on the other foot. Let us wait and watch.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

True, Ovi would have left everyone for Arjun but she is Canada raised, different upbringing, spoilt, indulged, used to getting her own way, affluent and cannot think beyond what she wants or believes she wants anyway.

This is the Ovi that has been portrayed. Purvi, on the other hand, is adopted, owes a debt of gratitude to a mother who in her own way has rubbed that into the girl's head (by constantly waxing poetical about her imaginary lost family and more recently about her sanskari upbringing), she does not have the money or mentality to walk away from all that she has known, she is more dependant on her mother, her aaji and even the chawlwallahs (saw how she moved away Friday when Arjun tried to wipe her tears), she is circumspect, dutiful and the least selfish so to expect her to throw caution to the winds and tie her fortunes to that of Arjun in the face of her mother's disapproval will be a long time coming.

Guilt is a great motivator and Purvi will be weighed down heavily by guilt, in fact crippled, if she ever even indulges in thoughts of going against her mother and her beautifully loving fairytale like family of caring baba and gorgeous daughters!

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archverma10

@archverma10

Navigator

Posted: 13 years ago

#16

Well my dears Shyamala and Jyothi, I must say that I am honored that we have finally joined forces to protect my dear "ladla" and are a small but formidable band that are equally determined to see that he gets justice too!

From the time since our ARVI started slowly coming together, and confessed their love to each other---and through the circus that then followed...you all know quite clearly by now which way the pendulum swings for me in regards to Arjun...

Other than that, I actually have not yet watched tonight's episode. (what you all in India saw on Friday) It is on right now and I am recording it. Due to having been out of town for a couple of days I am right now playing catch up. Although I of course read the update and the subsequent posts...I'm going to watch it first and respond...Jyothi...your take on Archana's real motives in regards to Arjun's success and Ovi/Manav's feelings above Purvi's is to put it bluntly...a pretty serious thing to consider and not to be taken lightly. Why?? because it does render doubts as to what extent she will go to for the happiness of her adopted daughter vs her own and forces us to accept and acknowledge that she is not a saint...she is in fact human...and capable of human emotions, biases, and what not. She may truly believe what she is doing is for Purvi's good...but as you say, subconsciously...for Ovi's sake...she wants Arjun to fail. Therefore, I want to be sure I watch her very carefully with my own 2 eyes...before I render an opinion on it. Shyamala, you and I have been on the same page from the get go, so it goes without saying that most of the time you have pretty much already taken the words right out of my mouth!!!! As I had stated to you..and will repeat here for everyone's benefit...the idea that Arjun was "stroking Ovi's face", leading her on, and giving her hope that he would be back...is...to be honest...simply ridiculous.

It was obvious that he was trying to make a point and also set her straight in regards to Manav. That she sees and hears only what she wants to see and hear is no fault of his. He is trying to tell her something profound: that he wants to obtain his own identity and build something from scratch (rather than building on to something that already exists) with his own two hands. Of course she misinterprets it, and in my opinion, so did 95% of us. That part was not in relation to Ovi, Purvi, their drama, or anyone else. It was his own excitement about looking inwards and realizing his enthusiasm and determination to start on a quest and journey that he can only do by himself. Which is exactly what he said. For human beings in general, in life, and not just with him, when a person comes to this kind of realization and embarks on this, then they are on the first step to a major transition and transformation: the beginning of a kind of inner peace and strength and self-discovery that envelops the mind and soul. When he was telling Ovi this: this is what he was thinking about and trying to convey...he wasnt thinking of Ovi at all...in any capacity...and certainly not in regards to the drama over his love life.

He does carry guilt that he, inadvertently and unintentionally, hurt one of his closes friends. He may have promised to marry her...but that was before he came to India and started on this journey. He actually started this journey of self-transformation long ago...when Purvi slowly started becoming a major part of his life.

"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." He is just now realizing what the next step in his life's journey is and what he has to do to take it.

Arjun Kirloskar had every intention of coming to India, overhauling and cleaning house in the company he just bought, and jetting back to Canada after 10 days to go back to being his pompous, aristocratic business-minded self...and yes, eventually complete the picture with a trophy wife to boot. However, you cant help or control who you fall in love with...and Fate and Destiny threw a monkey wrench into his carefully laid-out plans. There is nothing to be argued about this: whats done is done. So while he feels bad for Ovi that it happened the way it did, and that she got the raw end of the deal, he tried his best to be as sensitive to her feelings as possible and be a gentleman about it. In the course of trying to do this, he made some serious errors in judgment, and everything backfired in his face...but at the end of the day...these were the factors behind his honorable, but utterly foolish and misguided intentions and actions. Those are the facts. As Bee so aptly put it in her post...we have to work with the facts he knows in this case...not what we know. We are making judgments, opinions, and assumptions about his actions which are based on what he knows...not what he doesnt know. This is very important and has to be kept in mind when arguing a case like this.

That being said...that's all for now!!!! Going to watch the episode...and at some point...will definitely be back with my take on my namesake's angle for sure!!!!!

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#17

Dear Archana,

@red. Very well analysed and put. But I doubt if this sophisticated viewpoint would be shared by the CVs.

If this was not PR, a mediocre TV soap, but a literary offering, there would be the fascinating possibility that at the end of this voyage of self-discovery and self-transformation, Arjun might become someone so different from his earlier persona that none of the earlier relationships and bonds survives intact. Rather like his being reborn or, like the Buddha, moving to a different plane. That would be something to see.

Alas, that is moonshine and is never going to happen. So we shall have this almost impossibly good, gentle and unselfish young man slumming it at length, and still head over heels in love with his Purvi, who will still be hiding in her aai's pallav, and only risking an occasional timid peep at her preux chevalier (knight errant).

As for Archana as she was just before PR II, just in case you were not around then, it might be worth your while, and yours too, Jyoti, to take a look at my post on the thread: When did Archana ever support Manav? As one training for the legal profession, you would like the rigorous adherence to the facts and nothing but the facts.

Shyamala.

Originally posted by: archverma10

It was obvious that he was trying to make a point and also set her straight in regards to Manav. That she sees and hears only what she wants to see and hear is no fault of his. He is trying to tell her something profound: that he wants to obtain his own identity and build something from scratch (rather than building on to something that already exists) with his own two hands. Of course she misinterprets it, and in my opinion, so did 95% of us. That part was not in relation to Ovi, Purvi, their drama, or anyone else. It was his own excitement about looking inwards and realizing his enthusiasm and determination to start on a quest and journey that he can only do by himself. Which is exactly what he said. For human beings in general, in life, and not just with him, when a person comes to this kind of realization and embarks on this, then they are on the first step to a major transition and transformation: the beginning of a kind of inner peace and strength and self-discovery that envelops the mind and soul. When he was telling Ovi this: this is what he was thinking about and trying to convey...he wasnt thinking of Ovi at all...in any capacity...and certainly not in regards to the drama over his love life.

He does carry guilt that he, inadvertently and unintentionally, hurt one of his closes friends. He may have promised to marry her...but that was before he came to India and started on this journey. He actually started this journey of self-transformation long ago...when Purvi slowly started becoming a major part of his life.

"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." He is just now realizing what the next step in his life's journey is and what he has to do to take it.

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