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Hello everyone...hope you are all sitting tight cuz this is going to be one long post...(at least i think so)...the issue that was brought up today was one and at the same time it was many...one issue lead to others and so on and so forth...so...i'm here to write it all out, hasht it all out and take care of it all so that in the future there are no more problems...or at least less problems...

Thanks Jnawaz. This post makes everything very clear. Now it is up to all of us to keep these rules in mind and we will get our happy and peaceful forum back!👍🏼

Wah ji wah, another rules thread! After making multiple of these have you not realized their lack of efficacy?

Considering how the other post was closed - On an aside, you guys really don't like discourse do you? Whenever there is such a topic you shut it down, without giving anyone a chance to reply to you on an open platform. It's difficult to explain what we think when you give zero chances for discussion... just makes you all look bad, by making your own word the end all be all. - I would like to say something here:

As moderators, all of you are similar to law enforcement, making sure that the rules are followed by one and all. Though leads and call-ins (similar to the report button and PMs here) are always helpful, without constant vigilance would a law enforcement team ever function? Say the speed limit somewhere is changed from 70 mph to 50 mph, but everyone knows that the police will not do anything if you go over the speed limit, despite the fact that they are in the same area when you do go over the limit, then why will anyone follow the new speed limit? Or, in allusion to two of the DT members, if there is never any police around (at least not visibly), and they only depended on people to call in and report speeding, would perpetrators ever really be caught? No, most people would continue going past the speed limit to their hearts' desire.

What I want to say is that all of these new fancy rules that are constantly posted are of absolutely NO use if there is nobody there to enforce them constantly. In reference to Resham's reply, no, nobody will "grow up" just because they want to make your lives easier. If the job is too hard for you then simply don't do it and hand it off to someone else, you are not being held at gunpoint here to be a moderator.

Edit: I rarely speak out and usually only tend to my own business on here, trying not to get into any pangas. But seriously, this is just going in circles now! If my post comes off as scathing or flippant then so be it, because it's just too hard to watch this state of affairs without saying anything.

@ toothbrush: so what do you suggest...how can we monitor the forum...do you expect us to read every single topic and every single comment made in ever single thread? using your speeding and police reference...the police catch speeders when they are on the road and they have their trusty speedometer with them...consider the "report button" our speedometer...police dont patrol the same stretch of highway 24/7...they are there at certain times then they are not there...how do you suggest we better monitor the forum that doesnt have us spending our entire day reading everyones posts ...as far as closing posts go and not "allowing" you all to discuss our short comings...the only thing mentioned was how unsuccessfully we do our "job"...no one offered any suggestions or solutions to problems...it came off as an attack fest on the DT...only pointing out flaws and nothing more...if all that was going to be done was point flaws...that could have been addressed in another manner

Originally posted by: jnawaz

@ toothbrush: so what do you suggest...how can we monitor the forum...do you expect us to read every single topic and every single comment made in ever single thread?

That is exactly what I suggest, actually. Considering how long each of you have been in your positions, it shouldn't take but a few minutes of skimming to actually do that. It's not like there are fifty forum pages worth of posts each day.

using your speeding and police reference...the police catch speeders when they are on the road and they have their trusty speedometer with them...consider the "report button" our speedometer...police dont patrol the same stretch of highway 24/7...they are there at certain times then they are not there...

That was merely an example, but if you choose to continue with it, then you said it yourself actually: they can only catch people when they are physically there or constantly monitoring. That was the whole point. The reports can pile up but until you do something to go out there and monitor (and actually READ the posts in question!!), nothing will really happen. You, in fact, have the advantage of being able to go back through posts a few hours later and still being able to moderate. This was just an example that we can go back and forth over all day, I used it to make my point clearer, not because I consider you to actually be as accountable as the police.

how do you suggest we better monitor the forum that doesnt have us spending our entire day reading everyones posts

I have no suggestions. That falls under your jurisdiction. If you are looking for an easy way out, then sorry to say I don't quite see one.

...as far as closing posts go and not "allowing" you all to discuss our short comings...the only thing mentioned was how unsuccessfully we do our "job"...no one offered any suggestions or solutions to problems...it came off as an attack fest on the DT...only pointing out flaws and nothing more...if all that was going to be done was point flaws...that could have been addressed in another manner

Then how should we put light on our grievances? By buttering you up and being two-faced? Also, none of us are moderators and do not have your supreme knowledge on how it is all handled. If you want for us to point out an easy way for something to be done, then I repeat, I do not see one and if someone else does find one they will tell you. Another thing is that there is no solution we can give to all of you simply not reading posts and keeping track of what happens, similar to how there is no solution to the lack of enthusiasm or general laziness the DT shows. That is something you all need to fix, not us; all we can do is point it out in hopes that one day someone will read and actually comprehend what we say.

Perhaps you can shed light on what you consider your responsibilities to be? If it is just quickly going through reports (without using much intellect on what the root of the problem is), making topics sticky, and periodically posting new rules, then maybe we will stop expecting an involved moderation team.

Originally posted by: jnawaz

@ toothbrush: so what do you suggest...how can we monitor the forum...do you expect us to read every single topic and every single comment made in ever single thread? using your speeding and police reference...the police catch speeders when they are on the road and they have their trusty speedometer with them...consider the "report button" our speedometer...police dont patrol the same stretch of highway 24/7...they are there at certain times then they are not there...how do you suggest we better monitor the forum that doesnt have us spending our entire day reading everyones posts ...as far as closing posts go and not "allowing" you all to discuss our short comings...the only thing mentioned was how unsuccessfully we do our "job"...no one offered any suggestions or solutions to problems...it came off as an attack fest on the DT...only pointing out flaws and nothing more...if all that was going to be done was point flaws...that could have been addressed in another manner