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Dabulls23 thumbnail
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: suan

Issue here is who does more convincing job at portraying those scenes and script...Hiten so far is doing fabulous and that is where it should end Just out of curiosity Varsha, what exactly do you mean by your above comment? Do you mean to say that Sushant did a worse job than Hiten is doing when it comes to emotional scenes? That in the one month Hiten has been a part of PR, he is doing a much better job than Sushant ever did in the 21/2 years he played Manav? Why did Sushant receive so many awards then for his role as Manav? Do you mean that in the miscarriage scenes Sushant wasn't amazing. That in the scenes leading up to the miscarriage, Sushant wasn't brilliant in the scenes with Varsha, Manju, Rasika, and most of all with Dharmesh, who belittled him so much in front of his party guests? Wasn't Sushant brilliant in the scene just after the aborted Satnarayan pooja, when Archana's family took her home, when, although he didn't literally fall to the ground, you could see the life leaving his body the moment Archana walked out of the house? The way he closed his eyes, one was looking at a man who just lost all that was important to him and life meant nothing anymore. Do you mean that Sushant wasn't very convincing when, after Archana left his home at the end of the 3 month court stipulated period, and Manav called Archana to say good-night, when after hanging up the phone, Manav (Sushant) pulled his knees up to his chest and cried like a baby. Were none of these scenes, and many more, not examples of fantastic acting. Sushant and Ankita made PR what it is today and made it possible for Ekta to bring in another actor to continue the show. The unique chemistry, the screen presence, the talent of Sushant and Ankita is what made PR the success it was. The show most definitely would not have survived the terrible writing that has befallen it, particularly since the 4 year leap, if both Sushant and Ankita weren't the leads.

Sharon you yet again misreading my post by reading in between lines..Lord have mercy!!! Show me where I wrote Sushant did bad or would have done bad...He did convincing roles what was given to him and HT is doing his job...
SUshant did fabulous with after losing his first baby, Even the last scene when he departed from Archana...Why do I need to explain? Why are people being accused or put words in my mouth what I meant by it? I give credit where it is due does not mean I discredit the other person..
I sincerely requesting as a friend I dont appreciate being accused or questioned each time I make post on Manav...Pls I request you do not read anything in between lines...I do not deserve the accusation and nor do I need to explain...Hope u understand..😃
I watch show in present and track by track...I write honest abt Savita, Manav, Archana, Ajit, Varsha and even Sattu...I dont spare anyone when they do wrong...
Only one I love is TDH 😆 and alll bachcha party...Adults are goof balls...Kids are innocent..😭
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sharon you yet again misreading my post by reading in between lines..Lord have mercy!!! Show me where I wrote Sushant did bad or would have done bad...He did convincing roles what was given to him and HT is doing his job...
SUshant did fabulous with after losing his first baby, Even the last scene when he departed from Archana...Why do I need to explain? Why are people being accused or put words in my mouth what I meant by it? I give credit where it is due does not mean I discredit the other person..
I sincerely requesting as a friend I dont appreciate being accused or questioned each time I make post on Manav...Pls I request you do not read anything in between lines...I do not deserve the accusation and nor do I need to explain...Hope u understand..😃
I watch show in present and track by track...I write honest abt Savita, Manav, Archana, Ajit, Varsha and even Sattu...I dont spare anyone when they do wrong...
Only one I love is TDH 😆 and alll bachcha party...Adults are goof balls...Kids are innocent..😭
Varsha,
No offence intended. You made me laugh as usual with your "Lord have mercy" 😆
The reason why I innocently asked the queston is your words, "issue here is who does more convincing job portraying those scenes and script...Hiten so far is doing fabulous and that is where it should end".
The words "who...more convincing" , particularly the word "more", made me interpret the statement to mean you were speaking about more than one person. Sushant is the only other actor who has played this role, hence my mentioning his name.
You also said that Hiten is so far doing fabulous. I thought that meant you felt he was doing a fabulous job, whereas Sushant didn't, or at least Hiten was doing a much better job than Sushant did. The key words for me were "more convincing ". That naturally implies a comparison with someone else. e.g. if If I worked in a store and decided to leave when my contract was up, and was naturally replaced, and soon after I left, someone stated that my replacement does more convincing job, I would naturally think I was being compared to my replacement.
The English language is a funny language. Words can be easily misinterpteted depending on how they are used or where they are placed.
Once again, no offence meant, was just trying to undersand your statement, which I still don't .😊
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: suan

Varsha,
No offence intended. You made me laugh as usual with your "Lord have mercy" 😆
The reason why I innocently asked the queston is your words, "issue here is who does more convincing job portraying those scenes and script...Hiten so far is doing fabulous and that is where it should end".
The words "who...more convincing" , particularly the word "more", made me interpret the statement to mean you were speaking about more than one person. Sushant is the only other actor who has played this role, hence my mentioning his name.
You also said that Hiten is so far doing fabulous. I thought that meant you felt he was doing a fabulous job, whereas Sushant didn't, or at least Hiten was doing a much better job than Sushant did. The key words for me were "more convincing ". That naturally implies a comparison with someone else. e.g. if If I worked in a store and decided to leave when my contract was up, and was naturally replaced, and soon after I left, someone stated that my replacement does more convincing job, I would naturally think I was being compared to my replacement.
The English language is a funny language. Words can be easily misinterpteted depending on how they are used or where they are placed.
Once again, no offence meant, was just trying to undersand your statement, which I still don't .😊

WHo does convincing job meaning that person does it when he or she is doing the role at that particular time...Be it sushant or HT...Does not matter..
See it is your mind playing games with you.Because you are looking to pick and choose...Average reader does not care what I or anyone else meant by it..And btw english is much clear language if read right...Perception is not always reality...American english is pretty simple...
Who in the second sentence is "That person" is doing convincing job not which person...
My last explanation ever..We all have opinions and views...I do not question any one elses nor do I expect anyone to explain or try convincing anyone else.😃 So NP from myside...
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Posted: 13 years ago
Accept your response Varsha, and my intention was not to have you explain youself. All of us are entitled to our varying opinions.
The word that caused the confusion for me was the word "more", not the word "who".
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: suan

Agree with you Rash. Most seem to have forgotten Savita's horrific treatment of Sachin and Soham, just because she is supporting Manav at this time, because her support of him as a mother is the right thing to do now.
All were so against her when she pinched Soham, and her lengthy abuse of Sachin, but because Archana went against her husband re the chawl matter, suddenly Savita is great again. Manav doesn't even know what his mother has done regarding his sons. She hasn't paid at all for these terrible deeds and she may never pay because of the distance between Archana and Manav at this time. Manav will not want to hear anything from Archana. Savita is also planning more harm for Archana, even though Archanan told her the truth about the FDs. Couldn't Savita ask Manav about them?
What can be more painful than thinking your child is dead? Yet many want Archana to pay even more! Savita knows what it is to lose a child, yet she is prepared to make Archana suffer even more, just to get revenge, and this is okay? Not in my books, it isn't.



Hi Sharon:

I hope you don't mind I read you comment and wanted to give my opinion

Savita's character has been portrayed as a pendulum in the show

before marriage I found her crass (which was necessary for character portrayal), after marriage I found her nasty and I wanted to actually reveal all to Manav myself😆 if I could jump into the TV (which we all know I cannot 😭) then the scene where Manav says those nasty things to her after leap/elopement and is estranged from her - my heart went out to her (as a mother myself) and after that keeping up only with the updates I see that the CVs have made her do nasty things now with the children (which is never forgivable or justifiable) In fact I find her character roller coaster ride quite exhausting and very irritating. But I do see that when she is good to archana the audience thinks she is some kind of superhero (I remember scenes when comments would be oh I wish Savita would do this and that she is the only character who cannot be messed with).

Archana on the other hand - I could relate in a very small measure at the beginning. after that when they show her as a saint and then as an adolescent romantic and then an absentminded mother and wife I kind of lost any connection or empathy I felt with the character.

They have tried something same with manav (the shravani saga) but somehow I never lost that connection totally as he seemed naive and trusting most of the time (not intentionally or unintentionally manipulative). Other than his romantic distractions other core values of Manav remained.

What I am trying to say is that they have got all three pivitol characters to do nasty stuff so there are no innocents left among these three.

I see Manav's relationship with his mother as independent from his relationship with Archana.

Archana's wrongdoings against her innocent babies and Manav -her other half cannot be measured or balanced against her relationship with Savita

A debit in one book of accounts cannot be balanced of against a credit in altogether a different book of accounts.

If Savita has wronged Archana, it does not mean that Archana is justified in intentionally or unitentionally wronging her spouse or her children (they don't deserve it).

Archana (alone) is accountable to Manav for her wrongdoings or distracted commitment to him and his children

Savita in a similar vein is accountable to her (not Manav) for her wrongdoings against her (Archana) and is responsible to both of them (Archana and Manav) for her wrongdoings against their children.

Archana's pain as I saw in the epi was not from motherly love as much as it was from guilt of her own actions and her lack of faith in her husband's judgement in matters of their son.

If Manav abandons Archana he will do so rightly because she intentionally or unintentionally forsaked him and their children (Soham specifically the twins are still too little) for other priorities or beliefs. As Varsha paid for the killing of her baby, similar karma might follow Archana for the negligence with her son which has probably caused his death.



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Posted: 13 years ago
If Manav abandons Archana he will do so rightly because she intentionally or unintentionally forsaked him and their children (Soham specifically the twins are still too little) for other priorities or beliefs. As Varsha paid for the killing of her baby, similar karma might follow Archana for the negligence with her son which has probably caused his death.

Very well said . Had typed a similiar response to sharon but it got lost in the internet world .
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

If Manav abandons Archana he will do so rightly because she intentionally or unintentionally forsaked him and their children (Soham specifically the twins are still too little) for other priorities or beliefs. As Varsha paid for the killing of her baby, similar karma might follow Archana for the negligence with her son which has probably caused his death.

Very well said . Had typed a similiar response to sharon but it got lost in the internet world .

Hi Kools,
How are you? We haven't chatted for a while. Re your comment above, I hope it finds it's way to me, or you send it again because I always love to read your comments, even if we don't agree fully.😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
What can be more painful than thinking your child is dead? Yet many want Archana to pay even more! Savita knows what it is to lose a child, yet she is prepared to make Archana suffer even more, just to get revenge, and this is okay? Not in my books, it isn't.

I wanted to respond to this comment Sharon . Unfortunately my lengthy treatise got lost but will attempt some summary .

Savita herself lost a son ...a grown young son ...Sachin .

Savita danced like a prostitute in wedding reception of daughter Vandu when she married Ajit . Why ? Coz samdhan Rasika who was rich that time exerted her authority as her daughte's saas and demanded it . Savita was stripped of dignity in old age .

Savita got a terrible beating with a rod on her old knees and waist and calves from a corrupt policewoman when she was jailed by Manav's sasural .

Savita watched her daughter's sad marraige with a rapist who was raping her daily in a brutal way for months after her marraige . She called her daughter back repeatedly but daughter did not listen . She felt trapped due to societal pressure .

Why were these karmic punishments given to Savita ?

They were given as an answer to her scheming against Archana . She had schemed to throw Archana out of the house . People hated Savita then ...I was among them And all my posts were AGAINST her exactly the way they r against Archana today .

But her crime was scheming against her bahu . The punishments seemed far too much . For scheming , the punishment shud be that the scheming is exposed . But for scheming she got death of a son , daughter raped and troubled far worse than the way she had troubled Archana , dancing like a prostitute , beatings in jail .

Yet no one said enough .All were baying for her blood . MORE they wanted .MORE .

reason ?

Archana was the one she troubled and Archana was popular as a lead . Nobody felt that she had paid enough .

Savita DOES get her dues in this serial . Its Archana who escapes scot free .

In real life in India , in that lower middle class chawl society , Archana may have got a physical beating by an enraged husband with his chappals upon returning after witnessing the death of his son in the way Manav experienced . It was NOT shown . Yet Savita WAS shown getting a beating .

Archana reached a red light area by mistake due to Ajit's manipulations but was not disgraced by making her dance like a call girl . We never saw that . But Savita WAS made to dance like a prostitute .

Savita went away so much from Manav's heart that Manav was not speaking or looking at her face even for months after his marraige to Archana . He even invited her to functions only when Archana sanctioned it .

She had suffered the loss of her son in an emotional sense .

She was trying to talk about these insecurities to Archana the other day when she told her He stopped giving me importance since u came in his life . It was not just about the FDs or money . What that crass woman was clumsily trying to say was something much deeper but Archana threw the FDS on her face and made it out to be a money matter . She had no interest in listening or finding out about HER insecurities .

Had it been Varsha or Sulochana , this Archana wud have sat on her knees and tried to understand what they r saying by holding their hand like a counsellor .

My point : Savita does get punishments . Regarding her heartlessness in feeling Archana has not paid enough by losing her son and wanting MORE for her ...Sharon , Archana will never stop even with Soham's loss . She cried due to GUILT and the fact that she had no FACE to now refute those accusations hurled at her as each accusation had a base . But remorse ? I doubt . Did not see her having ANNY remorse for doing case against husband , nor for not listening to him anout Varsha . She cries at her ill fate and bad luck , not out of repentance . She will never stop irritating Savita and Savita knows it by now , hence the decision to get rid of her while the oven is hot . Its a villainous decision but the deduction that Archana will just not stop is correct .



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Posted: 13 years ago
Excellent post Kool Di👍🏼 I agree with every point that you made.

I didn't approve of Savita's behavior at the VERY beginning of show but I started to feel she got her due when she got beaten up in jail. Even that she didn't deserve, she never physically abused Archana, she just threw verbal comments at her.

Savita suffered too much just for scheming against Archana. And even then she had reasons to hate Archana, Sulo insulted Manav like a dog at his marriage, she insulted Sachin and Damodar a lot at the marriage which wasn't nice at all. If Sulo had not done that, Savita would be fine, it all starts from Karanjkars, they never got their due.

Sulo may have gotten her due when Vinod threw her out of the house but she had her daughters to go to, Savita had no one to go to as Archana and Manav had abandoned her, she may have not wanted Archana when they lived separately after their second marriage but she wanted Manav, and he used to come every other day

Savita's hatred for Archana is 100% justified. She also got caught instigating Sachu a few times by Sulo, but Archana too needs to get punished for loving her sister more then Soham and she was so cold to Manav when he told her he could manage. Savita stayed quiet for her son's sake, I hope Archana gets a slap from Manav, he shouldn't melt when she cries
Edited by bhallarox - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
Kools,
Thanks for posting your comments.
Re the point about many people wanting Savita to suffer more, I wasn't a member of the forum then, or at least wasn't posting in those days (not sure when all that happened), but I can assure you I would not have been one of those calling for her to suffer more. I'm not the kind who likes to see people suffer like that. Just punishment, yes, but suffering, no!
I hated to see Savita being beaten in jail, and it hurt me alot when Rasika humiliated her like she did at the wedding reception. That really hurt me.
The same way I hated what the CV's had Dharmesh and missy do to Manav, when they drugged him and took suggestive photos of him in missy's bed. I felt violated for myself and for Manav. That is one scene I'll NEVER, EVER forget. I couldn't even watch that scene or look at the pictures that Dharmesh so proudly showed everyone at the office the following day.
Up to that point, I'd been very mad at Manav for chosing to believe someone who had worked for him for two minutes, over his wife of many years. However, when I saw that scene in missy's bedroom, all my anger towards Manav disappeared. He definitely didn't deserve that.
I'm definitely not one who enjoys seeing people suffer unjustly. That's why I say, to lose, or think you've lost a child (age doesn't matter to me), that has to be the hardest thing to ever experience. Thank God I have never experienced that feeling and I pray to Him that I never ever do. I have seen mothers who have had that experience and it is very, very hard to watch, so I can't ever be happy to see anyone go through this, real or imagined, Savita or Archana.
Re Savita and her thinking Archana will never give her peace...she can simply have a serious talk with Manav and if it has to be, then they live separately. If Manav still loves Archana enough to stay with her, then he and his family can live elsewhere. Manav can ensure his mother is well taken care of financially, that she has help (Sundari), that he still loves her. Manav can ensure he visits often with the kids. He must also ensure that he remains firm with Archana and doesn't give her any chances with the children, like he did at the party. If he doesn't think things will work out between them, then they would have to divorce, but both parents should have access to the children.
However, I think all this will be mute because of the leap, where it appears Archana will miss out on her children's childhood.

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