Originally posted by: Jaishankar
First of all I think s the point that Manav wants Savita to accept Archu is reasonable but it is unreasonable in the way he has done it.His thinking has been right but approach has been wrong right from the start.Ignorance can never acheive anything and through Manav's ignorance to his mom he worsened the situation.There is nothing wrong in being normal with your Sasual but when you repeatedly ignore your own parents and little child whom you promised to take care and show more interest on your Saali's problems and not bother to see whats going at your own place and need to be prompted to go and see your parents then I am sorry I for once cannot agree with Manav thought process.
With old age comes flexibilty and also childness.The older person turns the more stubborn and childish he becomes and this is natural.Manav's inablitiy to see his mom sickness and see only her anger side is what the problem here.When a person is mentally sick they dont know what they are doing.You dont abondon a mentally sick person ,you stay by them even though they might hit you taunt you or do anything,why?coz you love them and want them to be well.Manav has not done that.Everytime he visits his mom somebody has to tell him to do.
You can help out ur in laws but first you need to take care of your own house.The K;s have always used him as a use and throw policy.Use him when needed and then dont bother.But still he helps that ok but where is this concern shown towards Vandu? How often he visits Vandu and inquired about her props?When has he done that ?When did he support his parents post marriage after he got his new business?In terms of being a good damant to a manipulative K's he forgot about his responsibility of being a brother and a son.I am sorry I cannot for once agree this approach.IF Savita is wrong then Manav is too wrong here.
For instance for Holi If not Archu Manav would have not called Savita.I am amazed that the thought Archu gets for Savita never occurs for Manav.I dont think Manav has done anything on his own here.The first scene was due to Damo he thought his mom was insulting him on that part which is quite amazing and now once again only after Archu saying to Manav he calls Savita. I am sorry to say Manav character has been degraded very badly.First he was shown a Mommy's boy which in a bad way and now they are trying to compensate by showing him like Bibi ka Ghulam in a wrong way again.Damn when will Manav make decisions on his own for a change.
I am not saying Manav is wrong ,Manav thought process is wrong.The efforts he has taking so far to reduce the distance between his mom has been pathetic and immatured thinking.Archu can understand Savita way better than Manav which is amazing.Manav fails to see the other side of the coin that his mom is mentally sick and needs treatment.
Who says to take Archu and go live with Savita.Live your happy life with your wife but treat ur mom at least through Damo.Get her to normal condition .For savita to accept Archu she needs to be in a sane condition which she is not.what will be the point of all this if something happens to Savita.Then will Manav will be talking to her photo and asking forgiveness again beng totally lost?
The problem has been all the decisions Manav has taken for Savita has come a little too late whereas in K's case he has got himself over invovled no matter how much time they insult him/
When he cant show ego to K;s for all the blame games they have played with him,the tappads and theft blams,then we cant he think for once about his mom in a different way ans why show ur ego here.Show your ego in a right way.He wants Savita accept ARchu and he wont come there until SAvita accepts Archu which is right but for that to happen Savita needs to understand and think for which she is not mentally stable.She needs someone to come there and take care of her.She is not in a condition to throw a fight against Archu again.She is now old and weak and depressed for all that.so this is the time get in get Savita health sorted rest will sort itself.
Savita is too a mother and she cant live without her son.She is hurt internally coz of Manav actions.She is wrong with her demands and Manv is wrong with his actions.Both are wrong here.Hence both need to sort it out.Manav instead of listening to others for once from his heart and using his head needs to take a positive decision on his own and get things going.No point sitting around and sulking.He needs to think on his own and get savita treated make her normal first and then he can make his point about ARchu.By that time Savita would be sane enough to understand his POV.
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I see where you are coming from jaishankar......and I respect that your pov is different from mine.....
One thing we, the viewer, must understand is that we have the advantage of a worldview not afforded to the characters...... what we get to see is a peep into the minds and lives of all the characters in the serial....... they don't have that luxury.....
so we are always aware of all the mis-understandings......hidden loves and desires..... crimes... etc..... we can see Manav pining for his mother and his mother talking to a baby and slowly going mad...... in the same episode...... but they CAN'T.....So, when we judge....or analyse.... we must take those things into account......
Even Damo, who lives with Savita, has not yet realised that there is something SO wrong with Savita..... that she is losing her mind or needs medical attention immediately..... This piece of information is exclusive to the viewer....... So, Manav can't be faulted here.....in that sense.....
Vandu......she is much younger than Ajit 9atleast 6-8yrs)......plus, she has a whole load of personal problems..... it is possible that what Damo has not realised living with Savita....she may not have realised remotely..... They have not even shown any of the neighbours showing enough concern to tell Damo about it..... to take action.....
You talked of how he has forgotten the insults etc of his in-laws.....but then he has ALWAYS overlooked his own mother's faults too.... that is how Manav is.....or even Archana.... they forgave Ajit..... they are the eternally NICE people in life (as per the serial).......they even helped Manju (something about stealing in a jewellery store) knowing how she is......
As regards the K's ill-treating Manav..... Sulochana was always clear what kind of damaad she wanted for Archana....rich and educated..... so, its a grudging acceptance she has for Manav..... but then again, its part of who Sulochana is..... given a chance, she would even today treat Dharmesh better than Manav......since he is ideally all what she would want for her daughter..... all her sanskaars can be fitted in a bundle of notes.....
One more point here.... about Archana having to tell Manav to invite Savita for Holi.... always TELLING him etc..... him not knowing what to do or making his own decisions etc...... Go back to a time when you were very angry with a best friend or your sibling...... you loved that person too much but you were angry and upset with that friend/sibling...... did your mother / other friend ever coax / persuade / explain to you that you should patch up?????....... It happens all the time.... you know why????.... because the person involved (Manav here)..... is too involved emotionally...... so his thinking is coloured by that stronger emotion...... so, it requires an outside person, usually one who is very close to you to show you objectively where and who is wrong and how to resolve the matter...... this is simply human nature.....we all go through such phases in life...... it does not mean that you love your friend/sibling any less or won't be there for them if they need you.....
I hope that in some ways I have answered the many points you have raised..... again.... I have nothing for or against any character......
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