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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: rightchoice



Yes, I do agree companies takes such measures but only when they ran out of other options. No company will remove workers just like that. Here it was shown Company is doing well and what not, Company is planning a big Ganapathi 'Celebrations'. Does it really justify removing the workers at one end and partying at the other end....? Moreover, the machine has not yet arrived in the company. No one has tested its production capability.

Yes.It does.Ganapathi celebrations is a short term investment.Paying salary to extra 15-20 labourers every month is loss in the long term.And company doin well doesnt mean Dharmesh wud sit back and enjoy.If they had other options,I think Satish or Dharmesh or Archana wud hav suggested it.Since no one did,I assume there is none.As for the testing of the machines etc go,CVs hav not shown anything concrete on this yet,so no comments.

But still it did not answer firing Manav. He was as productive as anyone can be, he was sincere and has a reputation that he is the best in the field.
There is a difference between being productive for a company and being productive in general.Manav is clearly not anymore productive to the company.

Ajit having an educational degree is not the alternative I was talking about. He has got injured at the workplace. He was not paid any compensation too. Will any company 'hire' him when he goes and asks job with his 'injured' hand?
Do u see him handicapped?No.He's good enuf to work anywhere else.

By the way, we are talking about workers not 'white collar' jobs. These workers work for their life in the same company doing same kind of low level job. Their experience rarely fits in another company.
I'm sorry u misunderstood me.I was very much talking about workers.My cousin is one in one of the factories in Mumbai.What I said is what he faces out there...at ground zero level.

So Dharmesh has to pay them for not doing any work? NO. He could do many of the following
Consider them using them for other work in the company.
If company is growing big, keep them for future use.

If they have to be removed them,
Give them severity compensation.
Give them enough time to look out for job.
Give them a prep training so that they are ready to go out.
Dharmesh has not been shown to be not doing the above things.When he does,I'll comment.As of now,Manav has not cited any of these reasons.Neither has rasika.

You may ask, why would company spend money on these? Yes companies have to because those workers have worked and were part of success of the company and it's existence. Just because it is a private sector it doesn't give them free pass to fire at will.

I am not saying, Dharmesh should keep them as a charity but he acted as a mean business owner than a practical one...that's my point.
Truly mean business men wont bother breaking 4-5 bones of hero Manav.Dharmesh is fair and practical not mean.Manav called him ganwar and yet he has not taken any action against him.
He is not taking out any personal vendatta and is being fair within his rights.Thats my point.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I wont blame him for removing Manav .Manav has been more of a nuisance to him , and he can easily get anyone with his skills .We dont see evidence of Manavs skills benefiting the company or anything .Manav stirred trouble in his company .Just being Archus lover boy and HONEST and POOR does not make Manav immune to rules . If by their priority list he fits the requirements that shortlist him for retrenchment , so be it .


<div></div>Dharmesh has hired Manav TWICe and waived his loan .Manavs rudeness was deplorable. He is the company MALIK and Manav talked like that in FRONT of all workers , not even privately .ANYONE wud SACK manav after that , forget retrenchment .For Sheer insubordination .



Kools, then Dharamesh is giving preference of his personal likes and dislikes in his professional life. That's not being practical. Only valid case against Manav is that he assaulted Prakash. But you have to look at his intentions too.

But Dharmesh is the owner of the company so he can mix personal and professional likes and dislikes. What I see is Dharamesh has used this opportunity to remove Manav because he voice against faulty machines and workers welfare.

Evidence Manav is the best worker, we have seen Satish saying that and Dharmesh acknowledging that in some previous episodes.

Regarding fighting for Archu, he said he would have done the same if any other girl was present too. So are we punishing Manav for being HONEST and RIGHT? That being said he should have reported this incident to management instead of hitting the employee.

And I question Dharamesh's decision of hiring Prakash back. How could he hire a criminal back in the company? Does it do any good for his company reputation? is it right thing to do at first place?

If Manav was rude so was Dharmesh. He shouted as if workers are his servants and he can throw them away at his will.

I see it as personal grudge over company rules that influenced Dharmesh's decision in firing Manav. It's not about Manav being right or wrong. It's about Dharmesh likes him or not. All he wants is 'Chamchas' in his company. But, who doesn't want it?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dabulls23

<font color="#660099">Not only Manav was rude to FBD but he was quite nasty to Jaywant when everyone was signing petition of something...Instead of Manav talking to Manager Archu he was yelling at Jaywant pure out of personal anger and frustration of Archu being engaged to Jaywant...BTW manav has a hot temper uncontrollable at times...</font>



I think Jaywant is his manager and he was present at the place. So obviously he told about his actions. What he said was within the scope of that situation and he was really angry about his lay off.

If he was angry with Jaywant regarding Archana, he would have been furious when he listened Jaywant and Archana conversation. I don't think Manav is deliberately taking out his frustration on Jaywant and Dharmesh with respect to Archana. He is not that type.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@rightvoice:
Dharmesh had in the past forgave Manav twice.On humanitarian grounds.When he is taking a business decision,ppl feel he is taking out his anger.Exactly why is he angry on Manav?For what reasons?Ok.Assuming he did oust manav for his personal reasons why Ajit or the rest.Or is it only Manav who gets all support since we see Dharmesh angry on his coming to Archus' sagaai.
From what I understand of Dharmesh,he doesnot mix personal n professional issues.Manav very much does.He said he thinks from his heart.He is just doing that now.
Why was Manav angry on Jaywant?Why not any other worker?Not even Ajit.He goes and arrogantly delivers dialogues as if he is some ultra VIP.So,go find another job.
Nah...usko to issi company mein kaam karni hai...nahi.Warna Archana ko roj dekhega kaise.Ok.Kidding😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Not only Manav was rude to FBD but he was quite nasty to Jaywant when everyone was signing petition of something...Instead of Manav talking to Manager Archu he was yelling at Jaywant pure out of personal anger and frustration of Archu being engaged to Jaywant...BTW manav has a hot temper uncontrollable at times...

He shud get himself enrolled for anger management classes.😉😉😆😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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This time I hope FBD does not cave into Rassi's threats and company has grounds to stand on with this lay offs...If he gives in on a emotional or humanitarian grounds just like previous time with Chawl pilgrimage than I will have to stop FBD and his business practices...He must stay his grounds once the decision is made on pure legal ground...No need to flip flop...CVs are screwed up nimrods they may show D giving in again....GRRRRRRRRRRRRR Indian serials emosional atyachaar always wins...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I was so upset with Manav's behaviour yesterday, first the company should have filed a complaint with the police then they should have gotten some securtiy personnel to bodily throw Manav off the premises. He was very disrespectful and threatening😡
For me Dharmesth acted very subdued yesterday but usually he is a businessman.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I think he was being unfair...........period.......................I didn't like him to being with...........and I still don't......................I don't think his philosopy of life is too great either. I mean Satish is a great human being, great boss.......and great friend to all his employees. I don't disagree that he might have needed to down size, but there is no reason to remove Ajit or Manav. It makes no sense. All the reason's u stated are absolutely correct. Ajit has no other way of making money as he is the only bread winner. Plus they are already poor to start with. Manav is also the only bread winner and he is a good employee that has been with them for over a year. There are plenty of other employees that are either gossiping or catching flies.............y don't he layoff them. I hope RA wins...........Darmesh really needs to learn a lesson.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Satish is really good person n works logically!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I am not sure if laying off Ajit is justifiable or not, even if he is over-qualified for the position. First of all, people do take position and compensation below their qualification in scenarios where job market is not doing good (a company might have an issue with this, but for a worker who can't find a job to support family any and all job will do (in the reccession I have seen people working in stores being laid off from good position). So I am not sure if his being over-qualified is a big issue.
What I don't understand is that he was injured on company premises and then laid off even through he hasn't recovered fully (meaning he still has bandage around is finger's) itself can result in lawsuits filed against the company, even if he hasn't filed for worker compensation (he will have countless witness testifying that he was injured on duty). Generally, a company can't lay off injured workers, it will result in lawsuits. Beside, laying off injured workers is ethically and morally wrong.

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