Finally, some straightforward talk - Page 4

Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL well people in this forum anyways twist everything Mini says and does to help Babita as her “taking away Babita’s choice” 🙄🙄. That “logic” never made any sense to me.

As you pointed out, Babita has gotten her way on her own terms many times. She is quite capable of digging in her heels and doing whatever the hell she wants - wrong or right. It’s a convenient deflection from people that Mini tries to “control” her. Mini has tried to stop her from ruining her relationships and life from time to time. Uska Ab Yeh phal mil raha hai that her mom will accuse her of siding with her father. Lol

Babita worked on the shop to prove a point to Ashok but now she is conveniently blaming Mini and trying to claim Mini forced her into doing what Mini wanted 🙄🙄. She twists situations per her convenience to get her way.

And lol yes, she didn’t spare a thought for Mini when she said she wants to go with HS on his posting.....suddenly beti became an afterthought and all she wanted was to cling to pati. Cuz she can’t balance. 🤷‍♀️....and if someone questions her, she conveniently says she’s just demanding her “haq”🙄😂. Waah kya “haq” hai jismein beti ki responsibility didn’t even factor in remotely. Lol

Anyways, it’s been proven a 100 different ways that Babita can’t balance relationships....one relationship will always suffer at the cost of another. And even the relationship she focuses on, she’s obsessive about in an unhealthy manner.

Overall the most disappointing thing in her character is her pettiness....the fact that she can’t savor her happiness unless she can show off to Ashok or other people 🙄🤦‍♀️.

Thank God in this forum I find some sensible people too. First time when jewelry return scene air I sense her this nature. Nice to know in this forum have some people who can talk straight 👏

Ever since the episode where she called K&K over for dinner just to taunt them, I began to suspect that the writers had actually always wanted to show Babita failing to rise for her own sake. The drive to succeed had been due to her wanting to show Ashok she had moved on and was more successful than him, but beyond that she did not care about the fact that she had possibly found a true new family.

Babita has the ability to play power games when she wants to, she has done it with both HS and Minnie, but it's a shame she can't use this for good things.

We thought it was about her emancipation but maybe the writers had wanted to show that women like Babita do achieve things temporarily when motivated by others or by the wrong triggers (like being able to show off) but when left to their own devices, they fall back to old habits. Minnie or HS cannot keep pushing Babita all her life so the moment they look the other way, Babita will go back to default behavior. I think this is the angle the writers have been trying to take. The execution was really poor so it may not have come out the way they intended - they could have chosen more nuanced ways of depicting this - but the last few episodes have confirmed my suspicions.

This marriage was a big mistake - I said it back then and I'm saying it now. They had never reached that level of understanding and it proves once again that 'love' alone is not enough to sustain a marriage.

I know a lot of people don't like Minnie but the fact is that HS and Babita are adults and whatever they have done has had a negative impact on Minnie, who at one time didn't even believe in love.

Originally posted by: inlieu

This marriage was a big mistake - I said it back then and I'm saying it now. They had never reached that level of understanding and it proves once again that 'love' alone is not enough to sustain a marriage.

I know a lot of people don't like Minnie but the fact is that HS and Babita are adults and whatever they have done has had a negative impact on Minnie, who at one time didn't even believe in love.

LOL toh main bhi toh kab se bol rahi hoon that the marriage was a big mistake.

Par humaari yahaan sunta kaun hai😆. People were busy justifying the so called "marital bliss" in the days after the wedding rather than seeing the glaring warning signs.....love alone is never enough to sustain any relationship.....all relationships need work. And recognizing the fact that work needs to be put in from all ends doesn't mean people don't understand what "newlyweds" are like😆.....I never sanctioned that level of self-absorption....call me weird then.

Both HS and Babita have mishandled their approach towards this marriage.....the very fact that they couldn't fathom how delicately this had to be approached with a grown child in the mix....that every action, big or small would leave big impacts on this life they have between them......there is no turning away from that. This cross is for them to bear for life. They rushed into a marriage without even knowing each other, and without even bothering to understand the child's perception of that marriage, and the relationships in the mix. Sweeping presumptions were made, without fully realizing the immense emotional baggage and oversensitive personalities in the mix.....the delicacy that was needed to handle that..... and now all three will bear the cost.

They all had formed meaningful connections with each other before marriage.....where they failed was in understanding that those connections can't translate into a quick marriage simply for the sake of companionship.....that companionship won't sustain unless you truly have a strong basis of trust and understanding......love without that kind of trust and understanding is but a mirage.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Ever since the episode where she called K&K over for dinner just to taunt them, I began to suspect that the writers had actually always wanted to show Babita failing to rise for her own sake. The drive to succeed had been due to her wanting to show Ashok she had moved on and was more successful than him, but beyond that she did not care about the fact that she had possibly found a true new family.

Babita has the ability to play power games when she wants to, she has done it with both HS and Minnie, but it's a shame she can't use this for good things.

We thought it was about her emancipation but maybe the writers had wanted to show that women like Babita do achieve things temporarily when motivated by others or by the wrong triggers (like being able to show off) but when left to their own devices, they fall back to old habits. Minnie or HS cannot keep pushing Babita all her life so the moment they look the other way, Babita will go back to default behavior. I think this is the angle the writers have been trying to take. The execution was really poor so it may not have come out the way they intended - they could have chosen more nuanced ways of depicting this - but the last few episodes have confirmed my suspicions.

Emancipation was a presumption we all made because of the early half of this journey and all the talk of independence, finding your own identity. But it became clear around the time of the Imarti track and subsequent tweets that the writers were more interested in darker themes with Babita.....they wanted to explore the dark broken aspects of the psyche of a trauma victim.

The epi when she showed off to Kammo and Khatri and the last few epis have confirmed to me that this was actually a psychological study of Babita's psyche.....it was only in the later half of the story that the curtain was lifted from her fundamental personality flaws....before this, they got swept under the rug because the challenges she was facing and trying to overcome were bigger and her personality flaws didn't take center-stage. But ultimately it was shown that her personality flaws were the drivers of many setbacks in her life.....and in some ways, it's not exactly unrealistic. There do exist people who can't overcome their fundamental personality flaws and will continue to mishandle things even when they are blessed with good things in life.

No one can push anyone all their life towards the 'right' path....everyone has to fly solo at some point or the other. Babita got two very good support systems in Mini and HS...but she ultimately succumbed to the triggers of her social conditioning....the society she marinated in for so many years.....that only functions around labels and how others view you. Mini was always her window into a more independent world.....but ultimately the path had to be traveled by Babita herself....and when given the choice on her own, she chose not to travel it. She chose instead to only focus on what she can show off to the world to prove she didn't "fail" this time. That is the sum of it.

During the Amrit Manthan talk, HS had spoken of some deep set mann ki gaanthein inside Babita.....what these last few months have established is that the gaanth was always mainly about Ashok and the rest was about proving something to society. All the love in a happy marriage also couldn't overcome these gaanthein....perhaps some knots are meant to be knotted for life and not meant to be resolved.

Babita as a personality was never a simple, seedhi woman. This was repeated time and time again.....still it seems like HS and some people seemed to fall into that default presumption time and again and thinking of her as some naive bechaari or a fragile soul meant to be coddled. But now it's been proven that she very determinedly walks the path she wants to for petty reasons. There is no one else she can blame for that.

Originally posted by: MeghnaGhosh

Anu I have a request...can you please post some gifs of the episode rather scene when HS was reading the letter by Ashok and then he goes to Mini..that hug and that small moment which they had..

Just finished making these....here you go.

Some superb acting from AD in this scene....and so many undercurrents to read. What was HS thinking as he thought back to the contents of the letter and watched Mini? Did he feel the pain behind her smile as he thought about the lines from the letter where Ashok spoke of the fact that hating him all this time has left a world of hurt inside Mini too......or was HS again briefly feeling overcome by those fatherly emotions that Mini evokes in him? It felt like a mix of the two....he felt for the child who's father had hurt her.....and he again wished, despite himself, that he could be the father to her that he wanted to be.

I was so touched by the bit when he simply admits that just watching her made him emotional just like that...."jee bhar gaya mhaara"....that exchange between them said so much of what they know is between them and yet somehow is unable to reach its culmination.

Mini knows he cares a lot for her.....she's read the emotions in his eyes many times and she could in this scene also......but who knows how the chips will fall once the letter rears its head.

Still, a touching scene. They've left behind a good body of work to cherish.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Emancipation was a presumption we all made because of the early half of this journey and all the talk of independence, finding your own identity. But it became clear around the time of the Imarti track and subsequent tweets that the writers were more interested in darker themes with Babita.....they wanted to explore the dark broken aspects of the psyche of a trauma victim.

The epi when she showed off to Kammo and Khatri and the last few epis have confirmed to me that this was actually a psychological study of Babita's psyche.....it was only in the later half of the story that the curtain was lifted from her fundamental personality flaws....before this, they got swept under the rug because the challenges she was facing and trying to overcome were bigger and her personality flaws didn't take center-stage. But ultimately it was shown that her personality flaws were the drivers of many setbacks in her life.....and in some ways, it's not exactly unrealistic. There do exist people who can't overcome their fundamental personality flaws and will continue to mishandle things even when they are blessed with good things in life.

No one can push anyone all their life towards the 'right' path....everyone has to fly solo at some point or the other. Babita got two very good support systems in Mini and HS...but she ultimately succumbed to the triggers of her social conditioning....the society she marinated in for so many years.....that only functions around labels and how others view you. Mini was always her window into a more independent world.....but ultimately the path had to be traveled by Babita herself....and when given the choice on her own, she chose not to travel it. She chose instead to only focus on what she can show off to the world to prove she didn't "fail" this time. That is the sum of it.

During the Amrit Manthan talk, HS had spoken of some deep set mann ki gaanthein inside Babita.....what these last few months have established is that the gaanth was always mainly about Ashok and the rest was about proving something to society. All the love in a happy marriage also couldn't overcome these gaanthein....perhaps some knots are meant to be knotted for life and not meant to be resolved.

Babita as a personality was never a simple, seedhi woman. This was repeated time and time again.....still it seems like HS and some people seemed to fall into that default presumption time and again and thinking of her as some naive bechaari or a fragile soul meant to be coddled. But now it's been proven that she very determinedly walks the path she wants to for petty reasons. There is no one else she can blame for that.

yes i actually began to see this from the scene when she forced mini to return the jewellery.

the thing is that Mini HS still see her as the bechari naive women who needs to be molly coddled and protected. HS still somewhere understands that babita is complicated but mini dosent still. And that is causing major issues. Because you deal with people the way they are actually. Khatri is dealt for the way he is and so goes for NB, HS ,or mini. But babita ka aisa nahi hai. Mini HS need to realize babita isnt that simple and deal with her that way. Even if they have to go against her and she isnt happy so be it. HS hasnt helped with saying yes to her everything. He has only stroked her ego by this. Babita is quite manipulative in a way and gets her way around in the guise of being a naive person. She is quite dismissive of how she affects others and others feelings also which is a major issue so she dosent reflect on how she is affecting others. its all about how she is getting affected and what she wants.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Just finished making these....here you go.

Some superb acting from AD in this scene....and so many undercurrents to read. What was HS thinking as he thought back to the contents of the letter and watched Mini? Did he feel the pain behind her smile as he thought about the lines from the letter where Ashok spoke of the fact that hating him all this time has left a world of hurt inside Mini too......or was HS again briefly feeling overcome by those fatherly emotions that Mini evokes in him? It felt like a mix of the two....he felt for the child who's father had hurt her.....and he again wished, despite himself, that he could be the father to her that he wanted to be.

I was so touched by the bit when he simply admits that just watching her made him emotional just like that...."jee bhar gaya mhaara"....that exchange between them said so much of what they know is between them and yet somehow is unable to reach its culmination.

Mini knows he cares a lot for her.....she's read the emotions in his eyes many times and she could in this scene also......but who knows how the chips will fall once the letter rears its head.

Still, a touching scene. They've left behind a good body of work to cherish.

This scene is one of the best scenes ive seen. They have called each other father daughter generally in a light hearted sense before. but this is the first time i think actually both felt it deeply in emotions. I dont know why but i mostly got a friendly / bro sis vibe from both of them to each other. But this time they really felt like father daughter. Even mini in this scene was longing for the fatherly love which she was getting. And this is a first after marriage.

And you have described HS feelings very aptly on this scene. He has been in minis situation before and understands her and there was a worry of loosing her too if she decides to go to ashok. A confusion weather he should expose her to the contents of the letter and ashok again or not. If he should just let her be and if the letter would pain her more. How i wish he had not taken babitas promise into consideration and just thought about mini. Kept her first really this time

its going to be so unfair to them if they separate on a bad note after this. Im so mad at babita for being so insecure & being so blind as to what her actions are causing.

So what happened to feeling “free” after sending ashok back to London? Or loving HS so much that she “aches within her chest”? All these dialogues were said by babita no? The writing on this show is turning out to be atrocious. There is no continuity at all and it would have been better had it been a series of short stories because as it stands characters and situations are being changed to suit whatever the current storyline is and whatever message they’re trying to get across to the viewer. Somehow the writers seem incapable of sticking to the crux of the story, and the crux of characters whilst writing out different storylines. I don’t see why each and every time they’ve got to go to the extreme just to have a storyline play out, to the point where the character we’ve watched for over 200+ episodes becomes unrecognisable. It boggles the mind how this has all lead to babita wanting a trophy husband when it started off as a love marriage (from his side AND hers). It’s a bloody joke how they keep changing things to suit their current point. What was all the bs about her finally being able to move on etc when it’s all lead to proving a point to ashok (a person that isn’t even bothered or in the same country to see same said point)

Originally posted by: naq5

yes i actually began to see this from the scene when she forced mini to return the jewellery.

the thing is that Mini HS still see her as the bechari naive women who needs to be molly coddled and protected. HS still somewhere understands that babita is complicated but mini dosent still. And that is causing major issues. Because you deal with people the way they are actually. Khatri is dealt for the way he is and so goes for NB, HS ,or mini. But babita ka aisa nahi hai. Mini HS need to realize babita isnt that simple and deal with her that way. Even if they have to go against her and she isnt happy so be it. HS hasnt helped with saying yes to her everything. He has only stroked her ego by this. Babita is quite manipulative in a way and gets her way around in the guise of being a naive person. She is quite dismissive of how she affects others and others feelings also which is a major issue so she dosent reflect on how she is affecting others. its all about how she is getting affected and what she wants.

Bang on. These are her personality flaws. And unfortunately, both HS and Mini have been fooled into believing her naive side is the sum of her.....Mini still to some extent manages to see when Babita is being manipulative....she's lived with her longer....but HS genuinely doesn't seem to have a clue how Babita hides behind the guise of naivete to get her way. So his inability to truly deal with Babita's real self has made the situation worse too.