Finally, some straightforward talk - Page 2

Just loved your post .... Even I noticed that satisfaction on her face than ek dum Victim card played.... Saroj was opportunist... she will now kick off babita as she is no more a business woman now and already handover her shares back... so she is now useless for Saroj...

Originally posted by: AreYaar

For old time's sake

Ekdum old HS-Mini scenes jaisa feel tha in this bit.

Totally loved this scene. Thanks for the gifs. ❤️

Originally posted by: MeghnaGhosh

@bold not this part...the part about wanting to be with him and not being alone again...the showing off to Ashok put me off like it did to HS 😆

The very fact that she's still stuck on just showing off to Ashok literally reduces her character to zero in my eyes. Iska kuch nahin ho sakta.....even if she faces some setback in life, she will cry for a bit and then repeat the same thing. If she can't learn anything after all she went through, after both HS and Mini tried to explain to her nicely so many times, then there is no other way left to learn.....life tried to teach her, that also didn't work for her......hopeless cause.

As for not wanting to be alone....again, the way she talks about relationships just makes her look pathetic....no matter how insecure or lonely someone is, when one talks about not being able to even spend 7 days without someone, it just shows one's inability to fundamentally comprehend life and relationships. No relationship can sustain by constantly clinging to each other 24/7 in the name of "love" and "haq". People get suffocated and fall apart.

Anyways, her comprehension was in the minus in every scene today. The way she twisted HS ka "pyar mein haq maangna chahiye tha" logic was just hilarious......she seriously suffers a comprehension problem....ya toh samajhna nahin chahti or she uses twisted interpretations as excuses because she fundamentally doesn't understand relationships.

I just don't get why she refused to acknowledge that Saroj's intentions were bad. She clearly knew it.

Originally posted by: inlieu

I just don't get why she refused to acknowledge that Saroj's intentions were bad. She clearly knew it.

She didn't care anymore, that's it. It was quite obvious today. Dekh ke andekha kar dena when you just don't give a shit. That was Babita in a nutshell.

She doesn't care about the shop, financial rights, independence, any of that stuff. That is why she didn't care even if Saroj's intentions were bad....because she herself didn't feel those rights mattered anymore and weren't worth fighting with her SIL on.

Principles....the fundamentals of right or wrong....none of this matters to Babita anymore. All she wants is a husband she can cling to. And what was even more pitiful today was her showing that she only wants the husband to show off to Ashok. Literally everything has been a means to an end for her in trying to prove a point to Ashok......"Look, I managed to make my own money and start my business without you.....Look, now I have a husband while you couldn't manage your relationship with your second wife".....Babita comes across as a person for whom relationships became a means to an end, rather than actually nurturing relationships with love.

I was rewatching an old scene some days back......NB remarked that Babita wanted to grow her business only as a distraction in her life.....to run from her loneliness. It all adds up now.....once she found HS to fulfill her sense of loneliness, she didn't need the shop anymore.....the shop served its purpose in showing to Ashok that Babita can be successful....up next was HS to prove to Ashok that Babita can have a happy married life with another man.......he too seems to be more of a distraction rather than the ultimate purpose of her life.....because there is only one purpose left in her life......to prove a point to Ashok in every way.

Her bitterness has consumed her and she doesn't even realize it. She's mishandled all the precious relationships she had in life because her larger intent was always to prove a point to Ashok and other people rather than focusing on the actual people who loved her....it was always about appearances more than anything else.

Lol. Straight talk from Bacheri Mini. Give me a break.

No wonder Paridth is pissed of with her Character of Babita, who is getting blamed all the time, where has in reality they never properly portrayed Babita from the beginning, and made it worse after the 200 eposides as they had no idea how to end her Role, so all this butchering. I reckon that Paridth surely challenged RS, hence the ageing of her role.

What a shame such a lovely story was butchered just to spit Paridth.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

She didn't care anymore, that's it. It was quite obvious today. Dekh ke andekha kar dena when you just don't give a shit. That was Babita in a nutshell.

She doesn't care about the shop, financial rights, independence, any of that stuff. That is why she didn't care even if Saroj's intentions were bad....because she herself didn't feel those rights mattered anymore and weren't worth fighting with her SIL on.

Principles....the fundamentals of right or wrong....none of this matters to Babita anymore. All she wants is a husband she can cling to. And what was even more pitiful today was her showing that she only wants the husband to show off to Ashok. Literally everything has been a means to an end for her in trying to prove a point to Ashok......"Look, I managed to make my own money and start my business without you.....Look, now I have a husband while you couldn't manage your relationship with your second wife".....Babita comes across as a person for whom relationships became a means to an end, rather than actually nurturing relationships with love.

I was rewatching an old scene some days back......NB remarked that Babita wanted to grow her business only as a distraction in her life.....to run from her loneliness. It all adds up now.....once she found HS to fulfill her sense of loneliness, she didn't need the shop anymore.....the shop served its purpose in showing to Ashok that Babita can be successful....up next was HS to prove to Ashok that Babita can have a happy married life with another man.......he too seems to be more of a distraction rather than the ultimate purpose of her life.....because there is only one purpose left in her life......to prove a point to Ashok in every way.

Her bitterness has consumed her and she doesn't even realize it. She's mishandled all the precious relationships she had in life because her larger intent was always to prove a point to Ashok and other people rather than focusing on the actual people who loved her....it was always about appearances more than anything else.

By doing this she will indeed be the reason for the failure of this marriage too. It won't last long at this rate or even if it does, it will just be a legal/social one, with none of the emotions and trust spouses need to share. This time she can't blame Ashok.

I am not going to even talk about HS' role as a husband because she clearly didn't give it much thought either. If indeed he is a distraction as you said, then there really is nothing to be done. Minnie seemed to have given up on her today. HS' had at one point decided not to make the first move in this relationship but the proposal and the rush just really drowned out every little voice of caution.

It's sad that she seems to have turned into the very woman HS had warned Minnie and her about early on, those who are dealt a blow yet are unable to move on and take lessons from life.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

The very fact that she's still stuck on just showing off to Ashok literally reduces her character to zero in my eyes. Iska kuch nahin ho sakta.....even if she faces some setback in life, she will cry for a bit and then repeat the same thing. If she can't learn anything after all she went through, after both HS and Mini tried to explain to her nicely so many times, then there is no other way left to learn.....life tried to teach her, that also didn't work for her......hopeless cause.

As for not wanting to be alone....again, the way she talks about relationships just makes her look pathetic....no matter how insecure or lonely someone is, when one talks about not being able to even spend 7 days without someone, it just shows one's inability to fundamentally comprehend life and relationships. No relationship can sustain by constantly clinging to each other 24/7 in the name of "love" and "haq". People get suffocated and fall apart.

Anyways, her comprehension was in the minus in every scene today. The way she twisted HS ka "pyar mein haq maangna chahiye tha" logic was just hilarious......she seriously suffers a comprehension problem....ya toh samajhna nahin chahti or she uses twisted interpretations as excuses because she fundamentally doesn't understand relationships.

When she twisted HS's own words about haq jatana, HS ka face dekhne layak tha🤣 he was like maine khud ne kiya hai yeh, aa bail mujhe maar😆

Anu I have a request...can you please post some gifs of the episode rather scene when HS was reading the letter by Ashok and then he goes to Mini..that hug and that small moment which they had..

Originally posted by: inlieu

By doing this she will indeed be the reason for the failure of this marriage too. It won't last long at this rate or even if it does, it will just be a legal/social one, with none of the emotions and trust spouses need to share. This time she can't blame Ashok.

I am not going to even talk about HS' role as a husband because she clearly didn't give it much thought either. If indeed he is a distraction as you said, then there really is nothing to be done. Minnie seemed to have given up on her today. HS' had at one point decided not to make the first move in this relationship but the proposal and the rush just really drowned out every little voice of caution.

It's sad that she seems to have turned into the very woman HS had warned Minnie and her about early on, those who are dealt a blow yet are unable to move on and take lessons from life.

This is the thought that has finally solidified for me in this last stretch as well.....much as we want this to be a journey of empowerment and rising above your own failings, learning from life and experiences......there very much exist such people who cannot rise above their fundamental nature and will repeat the same mistakes over and over again. They get stuck in a vicious cycle that they cannot come out of....maybe they lack the ability to understand what life was trying to teach them....maybe they actually took the wrong lesson from their experience and in a second attempt are also misapplying those lessons.

Point is....there was a reason that Babita lived through what she did for 17 years.....it wasn't just about how Ashok neglected her and ultimately cheated on her.....it was also about the fact that she never really understood the nuances of handling multiple relationships.....what she thought was her "handling" it actually was still her naivete and frankly stupidity as well.....what also comes across is the fact that her understanding of life is limited to labels on a surface level.....pati aisa hota hai, pati yeh karta hai, pati ke liye yeh karte hain.....this is what she thinks "samajhdaari" is.....I find it tragic that she still only thinks about PATI rather than thinking about the INSAAN in front of her.....kabhi yeh bhi soch lo ki HS aisa hai, woh aisa sochta hoga, KYUN sochta hoga, kya feel karta hoga.....yeh sab toh barely occur kiya Babita ko.

To me the main tragedy lies in the fact that she ultimately couldn't comprehend people and relationships for their individual nature.....she just summed them up as labels to interact with.....HS became PATI....so it was all just about the label of that relationship rather than two individuals connecting with each other as people before the labels.....and her own flesh and blood Mini...woh BETI hai....beti ke liye yeh sab karo, beti ko yeh sab karna chahiye....yeh nahin socha ki as an INSAAN how to interact and connect with Mini.

The tragedies and failed experiences in Babita's life have permanently damaged her it seems. I don't know if HS was the kind of personality who could have helped her understand relationships....whatever he tried to explain to her, she either didn't comprehend or she twisted it into something else.....baaki he didn't push beyond a point because of fear of losing her.....which just makes me again think tragically enough that they weren't really suited to each other. He may have tried to build a life with her but I don't think he also realized the extent of irreversible damage in Babita.....he didn't fully understand how some things are permanently twisted inside her and all the love in the world also won't undo those knots.

It's a tragedy, but at the end of the day, I thought yesterday's scene was interesting on a psychological level.....it makes you think about the fact that people can be twisted in many ways.....what drives them is a mystery many times.....we talk to so many people on a daily basis....upar se koi kuch bolta hai and andar hi andar, there is so much they are thinking on their own for so long that we never realize....until it gets blurted out one day.....like Babita did in this scene by out of the blue blurting out her petty satisfaction in seeing Ashok fail with Meeta while she had HS and Mini......this showed what Babita had been keeping inside her for so long that nobody else realized.