Finally, some straightforward talk - Page 6

Originally posted by: naq5

This scene is one of the best scenes ive seen. They have called each other father daughter generally in a light hearted sense before. but this is the first time i think actually both felt it deeply in emotions. I dont know why but i mostly got a friendly / bro sis vibe from both of them to each other. But this time they really felt like father daughter. Even mini in this scene was longing for the fatherly love which she was getting. And this is a first after marriage.

And you have described HS feelings very aptly on this scene. He has been in minis situation before and understands her and there was a worry of loosing her too if she decides to go to ashok. A confusion weather he should expose her to the contents of the letter and ashok again or not. If he should just let her be and if the letter would pain her more. How i wish he had not taken babitas promise into consideration and just thought about mini. Kept her first really this time

its going to be so unfair to them if they separate on a bad note after this. Im so mad at babita for being so insecure & being so blind as to what her actions are causing.

@bold, it will be and it's terrible. They both have been through a lot in life and it is just so so sad to see things fall apart like this when neither of them is a bad person or deserves to be deprived of this love.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Yes, the bit where he puts his hand on her head, it said so much and I too loved how he admitted that he became emotional. Minnie is intelligent enough to know that he loves her but I think what both of them are missing, especially HS, is that he hasn't articulated that he wants to be her father, that his heart still yearns for that parental bond with her. Most importantly, that not having the right is what is causing him pain. He is wise enough to accept it but that doesn't mean he doesn't stop feeling hurt. I think over time this feeling of his will just become worse. I don't think he can ever fully accept being just her mother's husband.

Ashok kuch na kar ke bhi baap banne ka haq rakhta hai, aur HS apni jaan bhi dega VB ke liye to bhi woh uska baap banne ka haq nahin pa sakega.

That scene had such an impending doom kind of feel. One would hope that Minnie would manage to let her heart win out and remember all their shared experiences so that she would not leave HS' life for good, and recognize that she too needs him, but with the way the story is going, who knows. I had hoped that his reasons for not giving her the letter would be selfish, that he would do it out of his own insecurity and not just because of Babita but let's see.

The dynamics in this scene were just wonderful but at the same time pointed out to us of what could have been. Sigh...

Thank you for posting the gifs, dear. The last one especially, where Minnie seems content and at peace juxtaposes beautifully with the angst and waves of emotions washing over HS. Superlative! Reminds me why I fell for this show and their bond in the first place.

I know the director talked about love remaining namukammal but in many ways that applies to all forms of love and bonds in life. We may hope and wish for it but sometimes our scars, fears, and insecurities prevent us from reaching out to embrace what can truly and rightfully be ours. The way HS hugged her and kissed her forehead in this scene had a sense of finality to it. Pierced my heart, to be honest.

@bold: Yes, that is what it seems like it will be....HS-Mini will be the only relationship in this story that didn't achieve its culmination....circumstances, fears, insecurities, all combined to hold them back from claiming this happiness with each other.

And yes, there was a tees in this scene.....that feeling of an ache left in the heart.....maybe that is what they will be left as....a relationship that could have filled a yearning in both their hearts....but they just couldn't manage to make their way to each other.

The show has mentally exhausted us all in the last stretch....lol and I'd told myself there is no point going down this rabbit hole of hoping for anything with HS-Mini anymore.....it's obvious the story will leave them at this halfway unfinished point only....but scenes like this do drive the point home again that they were a wonderfully compelling part of this story that drew me in.

As for the letter.....it did seem like he hid it because of his insecurity only....just that now the insecurity isn't just that Mini may not accept him as a father but the fact that she may totally exit his life and subsequently his relationship with Babita would fall apart too.....basically he wants this family to survive....and if Mini leaves, it won't....that's his fear.

As for Mini....I don't think she recognizes that she needs him....or if she even can anymore....something has shifted inside her for good and I don't know if it will ever come back....the marriage changed all the dynamics and she doesn't seem to know how to find her way back to him either so she's given up trying.

The writers are going to spin it as both of them accepting they could never become father daughter but scenes like this one prove that the emotion exists inside them and always will.....its not something that will die out simply cuz it didn't reach its culmination.

@bold italics: Remind me again, which episode had this line?

Originally posted by: inlieu

@bold word... I think in trying to conform to whatever label, he lost out on the organic development of their bond that had formed over the months. I feel terrible for him. I know he's made mistakes but were they so severe that he gets no second chance to be her father, even if it takes time?

Sometimes I think back to what he told Babita during the depression track, that he had become attached to Minnie very quickly. His love for her was always pure but I think it hadn't been in his or Minnie's life long enough before there was pressure on both of them.

I hate that he yearns for her from a distance, and I also hate that Minnie has unfortunately not yet realized what he means to her, because I do think she hasn't introspected enough to realize she does want a father. If/when she sees things clearly, he would be the one she would love to see in that role.

Frankly, it would take just one heart-to-heart like they used to have 'back in the day' so they can start to open up to each other again slowly. They are still very much attuned to each other's emotions on many levels but doubts and insecurities have clouded things. What a shame things had to come to this.

If I didn't know that Minnie was planning to leave, I'd probably console myself thinking that over the years they would eventually get to the point they were meant to be at, but now I don't see that happening. Yes, she will get the much needed space and independence she has craved but her leaving at such a delicate moment in their lives means that they would have missed out solidifying their bond. The distance and time apart will shove them back to their respective corners and I don't see them staying emotionally as close as they were in the past, especially if she leaves with bitterness.

I know what the writers are trying to show, but life should not be this cruel.

@bold: Agree on all points.

Yes, HS grew attached to Mini very quickly and so did she....the bond itself did develop organically but in order to strengthen, it needed more time before being burdened by so much pressure. Unfortunately, things don't necessarily go the way we want in life.

Yes, I also know what the writers are trying to show now.....and I understand what's happening is quite in the realm of possibility in real life also....but yes, it is sad to see them take the tragic and cruel route for characters that already suffered a lot before.

This isn't the first show to do this and frankly, other shows have done way more cruel and horrible twists.

But yes, with HS-Mini, the unfinished aspect just pinches more.....they just had a special spark and deserved to build a special kind of father-daughter relationship with each other. The execution failed them in the last stretch. As you said, all it would take is one heart to heart frank talk and they would find their dynamic again because they are so very attuned to each other emotionally when they open up.....but sadly it won't come to pass I guess.

Mini could have left for a bit to clear her head and they could have been rebooted with distance giving her some perspective....but yeah, even that wasn't meant to be I guess.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: Yes, that is what it seems like it will be....HS-Mini will be the only relationship in this story that didn't achieve its culmination....circumstances, fears, insecurities, all combined to hold them back from claiming this happiness with each other.

And yes, there was a tees in this scene.....that feeling of an ache left in the heart.....maybe that is what they will be left as....a relationship that could have filled a yearning in both their hearts....but they just couldn't manage to make their way to each other.

The show has mentally exhausted us all in the last stretch....lol and I'd told myself there is no point going down this rabbit hole of hoping for anything with HS-Mini anymore.....it's obvious the story will leave them at this halfway unfinished point only....but scenes like this do drive the point home again that they were a wonderfully compelling part of this story that drew me in.

As for the letter.....it did seem like he hid it because of his insecurity only....just that now the insecurity isn't just that Mini may not accept him as a father but the fact that she may totally exit his life and subsequently his relationship with Babita would fall apart too.....basically he wants this family to survive....and if Mini leaves, it won't....that's his fear.

As for Mini....I don't think she recognizes that she needs him....or if she even can anymore....something has shifted inside her for good and I don't know if it will ever come back....the marriage changed all the dynamics and she doesn't seem to know how to find her way back to him either so she's given up trying.

The writers are going to spin it as both of them accepting they could never become father daughter but scenes like this one prove that the emotion exists inside them and always will.....its not something that will die out simply cuz it didn't reach its culmination.

@bold italics: Remind me again, which episode had this line?

Frankly, I was a little mad at the CVs for throwing in this scene when I'd just begun telling myself to forget about HS-Minnie being father-daughter. Those few moments just brought everything right back up for me, reminding me that they will indeed always feel those emotions.

Perhaps you are right, something inside Minnie has changed and it's not just because of HS. I think there have been so many changes in her life that she's not sure she can trust anything to be permanent. The one bond she has always been sure of, that with Babita, seems to have cracks that even she can see now and I think she's gotten to the point where she wonders if all of this is worth it at all. It's sad to see the fight go out of her when once upon a time she too wanted the happy family that HS wants.

You've used the word tees here and I couldn't agree more. Ironically, it was this show that taught me this word and this show that will end with me knowing that feeling because of HS and Minnie. Having said that, I think that yearning will not be gone from either of their hearts and maybe this is what will prevent them from taking one another for granted. They know what the other feels but it will be one of those bittersweet bonds in their lives. If HS is to die, I really really hope it triggers something in Minnie that allows her to reconcile this fact. She was so immersed in Babes' happiness that she didn't think of the marriage as a second chance for her to find a father figure. She might deny it but her conversation with HS about Ashok the other day made it clear that she did yearn for someone to take that role up in her life. It's interesting to see that she will probably grow up feeling that void that HS must have all his life in the absence of that loving bond with a father.

The lines in italics were my own, LOL! Not from the show. I shouldn't have used italics, sorry. They sum up what I feel about Ashok and HS, where one seems to have all the privileges but not the emotions of a father, while the other has all the emotions but seems to have no privilege (partly because of his so-called 'sautela' status).

I really hope she doesnt get pregnant

imagine raising a child with her f***** up mentality

Babes had so much hope and many aspirations and the PH just shit all over Babes, Hanita, HS, Minnie..the entire show

Minnie was liked in the beginning but they made her insufferable at times because Babes was made into a moron.

Good riddance with this show..I need to pretend it didnt exist after a certain point!

Originally posted by: inlieu

Frankly, I was a little mad at the CVs for throwing in this scene when I'd just begun telling myself to forget about HS-Minnie being father-daughter. Those few moments just brought everything right back up for me, reminding me that they will indeed always feel those emotions.

Perhaps you are right, something inside Minnie has changed and it's not just because of HS. I think there have been so many changes in her life that she's not sure she can trust anything to be permanent. The one bond she has always been sure of, that with Babita, seems to have cracks that even she can see now and I think she's gotten to the point where she wonders if all of this is worth it at all. It's sad to see the fight go out of her when once upon a time she too wanted the happy family that HS wants.

You've used the word tees here and I couldn't agree more. Ironically, it was this show that taught me this word and this show that will end with me knowing that feeling because of HS and Minnie. Having said that, I think that yearning will not be gone from either of their hearts and maybe this is what will prevent them from taking one another for granted. They know what the other feels but it will be one of those bittersweet bonds in their lives. If HS is to die, I really really hope it triggers something in Minnie that allows her to reconcile this fact. She was so immersed in Babes' happiness that she didn't think of the marriage as a second chance for her to find a father figure. She might deny it but her conversation with HS made it clear that she did yearn for someone to take that role up in her life. It's interesting to see that she will probably grow up feeling that void that HS must have all his life in the absence of that loving bond with a father.

The lines in italics were my own, LOL! Not from the show. I shouldn't have used italics, sorry. They sum up what I feel about Ashok and HS, where one seems to have all the privileges but not the emotions of a father, while the other has all the emotions but seems to have no privilege (partly because of his so-called 'sautela' status).

Oh LOL ok.....here I was wondering if I missed such a monumental line being said in the show😆.....koi yeh bol de show mein toh mazaa aa jaaye.....lol....instead we will be shown Ashok getting the chance to exert his blood rights yet again after abdicating responsibilities for so long....oh well.

The show has made Mini so distant from HS and so consumed only with Babes or Khuranas or her friends, I don't even expect her to ever realize that she too neglected to make space for HS between herself and Babita. The writers have moved her into another headspace.

Waise I'm also surprised to see these scenes in the last stretch....and then it makes me wonder again....HS's personality looms so large in this story.....will they try to capitalize on it through flashbacks in the new season?.....a Mini belatedly feeling his void in her life? Naa....I guess not....main bhi kya soch rahi hoon....lol they will mainly show her feeling Babita's void.....HS ke baare mein socha toh in passing hoga.

Yes, the irony seems to be that she too will grow up feeling the same void that HS grew up with....he too was close to his grandparents....as is Mini....his friends became his support system....as have Mini's.

Whatever she has experienced has in some ways irreversibly damaged Mini....in that sense, she is different from HS....he never lost his zeal for life even as he suffered tragedy. He made it his purpose to bring happiness to others, to help others. Mini on the other hand is still her mother's daughter too.....the bitter experiences will leave scars inside her just like they did with Babita and probably color her subsequent viewpoints in life too.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: Agree on all points.

Yes, HS grew attached to Mini very quickly and so did she....the bond itself did develop organically but in order to strengthen, it needed more time before being burdened by so much pressure. Unfortunately, things don't necessarily go the way we want in life.

Yes, I also know what the writers are trying to show now.....and I understand what's happening is quite in the realm of possibility in real life also....but yes, it is sad to see them take the tragic and cruel route for characters that already suffered a lot before.

This isn't the first show to do this and frankly, other shows have done way more cruel and horrible twists.

But yes, with HS-Mini, the unfinished aspect just pinches more.....they just had a special spark and deserved to build a special kind of father-daughter relationship with each other. The execution failed them in the last stretch. As you said, all it would take is one heart to heart frank talk and they would find their dynamic again because they are so very attuned to each other emotionally when they open up.....but sadly it won't come to pass I guess.

Mini could have left for a bit to clear her head and they could have been rebooted with distance giving her some perspective....but yeah, even that wasn't meant to be I guess.

The spark was indeed special, and even after everything that happened with the plot, execution, etc. they still stand out because of the impact they made early on. It captured many people's imagination because of how pure and full of heart their interactions have been. I especially thing the hospital scenes really tipped the balance for us to be rooting for them to be father-daughter full time.

I know other shows do worse things but this one really felt like a knife had been twisted in my heart, that's how precious this bond had become to me, thanks to the brilliant writing and performances in the early episodes.

It's just so sad to think that HS and Minnie will separate in such conditions and even worse if HS is to die before she can go back running into his arms and reconcile with him for good. I just can't...

I honestly would love to know what Aniruddh and Ashnoor feel about the characters and their journey. Yes, that reboot would have been wonderful. I would have preferred that she went after at least calling a truce with Hanita and taken the time/distance to reflect upon things. Then season two could easily have been about them all finding their way back to each other and it would have been brilliant if they kept the writing up to the earlier standards. Lots of wasted potential. I think what threw us all off was that this show was marketed as full of hope and positivity but they put such dark and tragic twists and turns in that it feels like whiplash. And if they did indeed want to go down the whole 'life is not a laddoo' route, they should have done it wholeheartedly and kept the writing up to the mark. Hum seh lete, bas sensible hona chahiye tha.

Originally posted by: silvermoonlight

I really hope she doesnt get pregnant

imagine raising a child with her f***** up mentality

Babes had so much hope and many aspirations and the PH just shit all over Babes, Hanita, HS, Minnie..the entire show

Minnie was liked in the beginning but they made her insufferable at times because Babes was made into a moron.

Good riddance with this show..I need to pretend it didnt exist after a certain point!

Well Mini was also birthed and raised by Babita so don’t worry this child will also magically turn out to be more mature, sensible, smarter than Babita. 😆

Basically according to writers, everyone in the world is better compared to Babita, even Khuranas, lovely and Khatri. Just great.

It stopped existing since the proposal.

Originally posted by: inlieu

I honestly would love to know what Aniruddh and Ashnoor feel about the characters and their journey. Yes, that reboot would have been wonderful. I would have preferred that she went after at least calling a truce with Hanita and taken the time/distance to reflect upon things. Then season two could easily have been about them all finding their way back to each other and it would have been brilliant if they kept the writing up to the earlier standards. Lots of wasted potential.

It's just so sad they will separate in such conditions and even worse if HS is to die before she can go back running into his arms and reconcile with him for good.

I don't know if they will talk about that anytime soon.....my experience with previous shows that have wrapped up a "season" by cutting out some of the lead cast is that the people who leave have to lay low for a bit......the PH instructs everyone to focus on the new journey and only talk about that. It's likely that will be the case with Ashnoor.

AD will probably focus only on his new projects and not talk about HS for some time.....they all need time and distance from the show to be able to savor the journey again I feel.

Waise bhi abhi fans ka bitter drama and bashing will continue until the show is on air toh is sab mein actors kya bolenge....aur kisko.

I anyways don't feel PB will last longer than 3 more months from now. Let's see.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Oh LOL ok.....here I was wondering if I missed such a monumental line being said in the show😆.....koi yeh bol de show mein toh mazaa aa jaaye.....lol....instead we will be shown Ashok getting the chance to exert his blood rights yet again after abdicating responsibilities for so long....oh well.

The show has made Mini so distant from HS and so consumed only with Babes or Khuranas or her friends, I don't even expect her to ever realize that she too neglected to make space for HS between herself and Babita. The writers have moved her into another headspace.

Waise I'm also surprised to see these scenes in the last stretch....and then it makes me wonder again....HS's personality looms so large in this story.....will they try to capitalize on it through flashbacks in the new season?.....a Mini belatedly feeling his void in her life? Naa....I guess not....main bhi kya soch rahi hoon....lol they will mainly show her feeling Babita's void.....HS ke baare mein socha toh in passing hoga.

Yes, the irony seems to be that she too will grow up feeling the same void that HS grew up with....he too was close to his grandparents....as is Mini....his friends became his support system....as have Mini's.

Whatever she has experienced has in some ways irreversibly damaged Mini....in that sense, she is different from HS....he never lost his zeal for life even as he suffered tragedy. He made it his purpose to bring happiness to others, to help others. Mini on the other hand is still her mother's daughter too.....the bitter experiences will leave scars inside her just like they did with Babita and probably color her subsequent viewpoints in life too.

I would love it if NB were the one to say something like this. LOL. But yeh to hone se raha.

The other day when Minnie told HS that the only person she has ever loved is Babes, it must have hurt him to realize that he may never get a chance to be part of that inner circle because as you said her focus has been solely on Babes.

HS' personality does loom large. Every major step these two have taken since they left home have somehow been connected to or influenced by him directly or indirectly. I won't be surprised if she remembers his wise words from time to time in season 2. Depends on what the new story is like.

The difference between HS and Minnie is that his grandfather had a positive influence on him and it seems like NB and Mirza were strong parental figures in his life. There's no equivalent in Minnie's. Also, Imarti was a huge game changer for him - she taught him to look at life in a different way, she was his friend, family, guide, lover, everything! She filled the void in his life to a great extent so it is no wonder he says he cannot love another the way he loved her. I think only Minnie (who he says would have been Imarti and his daughter) can come close to that and I do think that deep down he fears that losing Minnie would be like losing the essence of Imarti all over again.

Like Minnie, HS too has experienced the side effects of trying to hold on too tightly to a loved one, him with Imarti, her with Babita. One was cruelly taken away by fate and the other, well, as you said, too much damage has been caused to both Babita and Minnie's psyches in all this time. It's just that he was an adult when that happened, much more sure of himself, and as you said, he had a strong support system of sensible people like Lala, NB, and Mirza. There has been a lot of focus on Babita's growth, but not enough on the effect of it all on Minnie. Her issues with Ashok were never addressed (perhaps deliberately) because the grown ups were too busy with their own battles, but what that meant was that some of the bitterness solidified in her young mind. Not all wounds heal with time and she was on the cusp of adulthood when all the nastiness started. In a way, it's about her loss of innocence too and seeing the "ugly side of real life".

I think back to the promise she made HS about never leaving him. Will he bring that up? Will he finally have the courage to speak up and say "I don't want you to leave because you belong in my life and family as my daughter"? Will he stop trying to be so understanding and for once share his hopes and expectations out loud instead of 'as you like as you wish'? It's all great to give people independence and space, but sometimes you also need to show that you love them and care so much that you would want to hold on to them. I don't mean in the sense of suffocating them but more in the sense that you show them what place they have in your life and how much it would hurt for you to see them go.

What I would give to see him just take a few moments to tell her all that has been in his heart since before and after the wedding, spill out his insecurities regarding her, and especially regarding Ashok! I can't imagine Minnie leaving without not knowing his side of the story, which I think he was also indirectly referring to in their conversation during KC, and knowing that there are only a few episodes left, I really hope they get to have one proper conversation. Maybe even after he gives her the letter or tells her about its contents. I know I'm asking for too much, but can KK not do this even for their own character Minnie's sake?