Qarz E Jaan (HUM) #4 - Usama, Nameer, Yumna | DT.N. Pg 136 - Page 63

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

I don’t know if it’s just me or if everyone’s on the same wavelength, but the way they’ve completely brushed off the heinous crime and are portraying Ammar as this poor, traumatized boy abused by his dad really cracks me up. Like, okay, we’re just ignoring the fact that he’s a criminal? Meanwhile, Bisma, Nashwa, and the entire cast are only worried about this “toxic household” as if that’s the real tragedy here. I keep shouting every week like a broken record—why, oh why, is everyone treating Ammar’s crime like it’s some little “oops, my bad” moment from a kid?

And then yesterday’s dialogue—Nashwa says, “Aapko Ammar itna bura lagta hai?” and Bisma replies, “Nahi, mujhe Ammar bura nahi lagta,” and I literally felt like banging my head against the wall.

Are we sure Amaar is the killer or r@pist? I kinda skipped skipped and watched (not supporting a r@pist)

I saw an interview of the actor playing Amaar and he said his role wasn't negative so I'm kinda confused.

Originally posted by: anikamathur

Prime time dramas doesn't shut down only Daily soaps are shutdown

Yeah Judwaa is shutdown I guess.

Originally posted by: Vivader

Yeah Judwaa is shutdown I guess.

Thank God it shutdown i don't want to see that drama on every social media page

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

I don’t know if it’s just me or if everyone’s on the same wavelength, but the way they’ve completely brushed off the heinous crime and are portraying Ammar as this poor, traumatized boy abused by his dad really cracks me up. Like, okay, we’re just ignoring the fact that he’s a criminal? Meanwhile, Bisma, Nashwa, and the entire cast are only worried about this “toxic household” as if that’s the real tragedy here. I keep shouting every week like a broken record—why, oh why, is everyone treating Ammar’s crime like it’s some little “oops, my bad” moment from a kid?

And then yesterday’s dialogue—Nashwa says, “Aapko Ammar itna bura lagta hai?” and Bisma replies, “Nahi, mujhe Ammar bura nahi lagta,” and I literally felt like banging my head against the wall.

Even I was very surprised on hearing this question from Nashwa mouth. It's like as if she has forgotten how he is when the fact was that she was the one who was the most affected with Maheens case and indirectly pushed Burhan into this case.

Also her reaction seems very cold. She didn't show an iota of surprise or disgust on the thought of marrying Ammar. Some scenes it appeared as though she likes Ammar.

And now it looks like Asim and Bisma will get Married first. Then why on earth would she get Married to Ammar. Yest I felt she would ask Ammar help in getting Bisma and Asim to get Married, but in today's episode she has Done it on her own. Then why will she get married to Ammar.

In the precap, how she is blackmailing Bakhtiyar and Dado about the past, she can use the same Trump card to refuse this marriage too. Infact she should file a case against them to even deprive her of her rights and inheritance.

I am totally confused.

Also looks like Burhan will fight for Ammar. Why would he do that?

Sometimes I feel Nashwa will get married to Ammar,so that she can collect some proof against him and fight against him in the court.

Originally posted by: Vivader

Are we sure Amaar is the killer or r@pist? I kinda skipped skipped and watched (not supporting a r@pist)

I saw an interview of the actor playing Amaar and he said his role wasn't negative so I'm kinda confused.

So, he's accused of it. The way it was shown has some ambiguity to it. Only thing we know is that he took her to the party, he was aware of her drink (Juice) being spiked and her being dumped somewhere. He also actively tried to hide any evidence/talk about it and not reach out to help. He rather asked her to keep quiet.

The better term for him would an enabler. I personally think he played the major role. He shouldn't have let his friend give her that drink. He could have taken her home.

He in my opinion is worse than his 3 friend who I believe did the evilest act. But he literally made it possible.

But we have to wait and see how it plays out

I think there might be more to the story. Let's see how they explain the mystery. Everyone deserves their due in court and the process.

Maybe they'll explain about the drink and the after math...but I'm finding it hard to come up with something solid.

I really enjoy Ammar's character shades and dynamics. Layered.

The writer is not a novelist and not a pro. Writing is now a little shaky tbh but expected. I hope she deals with it in a sensitive manner.

Also, Asim wanted to raise Nashwa as his own in the flashback. He was like that family is horrible but achanak yeh itna care free aur dismissive kiu ho Gaya? That's a strange turn on his character because the way he was set up he wouldn't say that

A bit OTT.

This was fear with the writer. Bisma also doesn't state why she doesn't want Ammar. She's like Ammar bura nahi lagta....but she should say to her daughter he's unsafe and he and his friends are not who she wants around her daughter. On top he's accused of...she saw all that...he is a bad tempered druggie at times. So she is only thinking about dado...and becoming dado ki slave but not about this aspect.

Nashwa is calm because if she panics her mom will too. She has to use her wits and stay brave at least pretend to. She isn't giving any reaction and that's right.

Dado was so good this episode.

Originally posted by: nightingale1234

I don’t know if it’s just me or if everyone’s on the same wavelength, but the way they’ve completely brushed off the heinous crime and are portraying Ammar as this poor, traumatized boy abused by his dad really cracks me up. Like, okay, we’re just ignoring the fact that he’s a criminal? Meanwhile, Bisma, Nashwa, and the entire cast are only worried about this “toxic household” as if that’s the real tragedy here. I keep shouting every week like a broken record—why, oh why, is everyone treating Ammar’s crime like it’s some little “oops, my bad” moment from a kid?

And then yesterday’s dialogue—Nashwa says, “Aapko Ammar itna bura lagta hai?” and Bisma replies, “Nahi, mujhe Ammar bura nahi lagta,” and I literally felt like banging my head against the wall.

You have to give this show time for whole plot to unveil and also this ain’t about justice for Maheen where an idealistic lawyer or Maheen family is fighting for justice . This is about Nashwa and her mom , so Maheen case unfortunately is plot device which established how powerful Bhaktiyaar is and why B is so afraid of him and how it’s not easy for N and B just to jump wall and take shelter with Asim or simply run away !

Finally there is psychological aspect as how one reacts to person / situation or incident . Here are two women who have been emotionally tormented just that they have roof to sleep, food to eat and clothes to wear doesn’t make there situation better , fact remains they have been traumatised and to certain extent desentized to crime.

Not a great example but I have read how this pushing and touching in public transport at first felt shocking , humiliating , feared and then over period they either protect themselves , fight or just ignore . So each individual reaction will be different and based on his/ her one life circumstances.

As for N asking B does she hate A that much , here it implies the life N will have as daughter in law of this house not as A wife because A whatever creep he is outside house never actually goes after N or B . Please am not trying to whitewash Or defend A here am trying to put across N and B mindset and why they are behaving or reacting to A the way they are .

Originally posted by: Winterberry

You have to give this show time for whole plot to unveil and also this ain’t about justice for Maheen where an idealistic lawyer or Maheen family is fighting for justice . This is about Nashwa and her mom , so Maheen case unfortunately is plot device which established how powerful Bhaktiyaar is and why B is so afraid of him and how it’s not easy for N and B just to jump wall and take shelter with Asim or simply run away !

Finally there is psychological aspect as how one reacts to person / situation or incident . Here are two women who have been emotionally tormented just that they have roof to sleep, food to eat and clothes to wear doesn’t make there situation better , fact remains they have been traumatised and to certain extent desentized to crime.

Not a great example but I have read how this pushing and touching in public transport at first felt shocking , humiliating , feared and then over period they either protect themselves , fight or just ignore . So each individual reaction will be different and based on his/ her one life circumstances.

As for N asking B does she hate A that much , here it implies the life N will have as daughter in law of this house not as A wife because A whatever creep he is outside house never actually goes after N or B . Please am not trying to whitewash Or defend A here am trying to put across N and B mindset and why they are behaving or reacting to A the way they are .

I don’t think people’s concerns about the writing are invalid. They’re not. But the writing for me makes SO much sense if I’m looking at it from Nashwa or Bisma’s point of view instead of my OWN. I’m actually getting why the writer is showing a household which harbours a criminal THIS way. This is how it is realistically. I also think people give Nashwa and Bisma too much credit. Nashwa has courage but she IS naive and has her own blind spots too. She doesn’t give a crap about herself or her future except what it would mean for HER MOTHER. And a means to escape this place. Not for herself but for her MOTHER. Her entire world revolves around this woman. She is her axis and any decision she makes, Ammar and Burhan are immaterial because she’ll do what is best for her MOTHER. This is her first priority.

This is just my opinion but I think we can’t underestimate Barkat and Bakhtiyar’s capability in ruining both these women, they are more sinister towards these two than Ammar has ever been (his kartoot are outside the house, not inside so far), so of course they are the more immediate threat in Bisma’s perspective. She will deal with that threat first and then come to Ammar. Then we shouldn’t overestimate Bisma and Nashwa. They’re both very flawed characters like the rest in the show. Just because she’s the heroine she’s not gonna have everything figured out. It’s about what she’s prioritizing and what she thinks she can get away with. I don’t even perceive her to be a character who thinks about her own self. She’s always completely occupied with her mother. Woh tou Burhan ko bhi ignore kerti hai as much as she can, she’s brushing off her feelings which are clearly developing because it’s all a distraction for her.

Anyway, I think the way the story has been layered with the crime happening before, then the family politics now, and returning to the crime later, there’s a purpose behind it. So let’s wait and see. So far the intricacies and nuances have been dealt with very sensitively imo. Many think Ammar is getting whitewashed but just because we are seeing layers to him doesn’t mean his crime has been washed away. He was literally called a rapist last week by his father. It was used to blackmail him. It hasn’t been forgotten.

Originally posted by: Stormborn01

I don’t think people’s concerns about the writing are invalid. They’re not. But the writing for me makes SO much sense if I’m looking at it from Nashwa or Bisma’s point of view instead of my OWN. I’m actually getting why the writer is showing a household which harbours a criminal THIS way. This is how it is realistically. I also think people give Nashwa and Bisma too much credit. Nashwa has courage but she IS naive and has her own blind spots too. She doesn’t give a crap about herself or her future except what it would mean for HER MOTHER. And a means to escape this place. Not for herself but for her MOTHER. Her entire world revolves around this woman. She is her axis and any decision she makes, Ammar and Burhan are immaterial because she’ll do what is best for her MOTHER. This is her first priority.

This is just my opinion but I think we can’t underestimate Barkat and Bakhtiyar’s capability in ruining both these women, they are more sinister towards these two than Ammar has ever been (his kartoot are outside the house, not inside so far), so of course they are the more immediate threat in Bisma’s perspective. She will deal with that threat first and then come to Ammar. Then we shouldn’t overestimate Bisma and Nashwa. They’re both very flawed characters like the rest in the show. Just because she’s the heroine she’s not gonna have everything figured out. It’s about what she’s prioritizing and what she thinks she can get away with. I don’t even perceive her to be a character who thinks about her own self. She’s always completely occupied with her mother. Woh tou Burhan ko bhi ignore kerti hai as much as she can, she’s brushing off her feelings which are clearly developing because it’s all a distraction for her.

Anyway, I think the way the story has been layered with the crime happening before, then the family politics now, and returning to the crime later, there’s a purpose behind it. So let’s wait and see. So far the intricacies and nuances have been dealt with very sensitively imo. Many think Ammar is getting whitewashed but just because we are seeing layers to him doesn’t mean his crime has been washed away. He was literally called a rapist last week by his father. It was used to blackmail him. It hasn’t been forgotten.

That is a good analysis Storm. I really like how Ammar has a spark and dynamic to his relationships. You feel for him. I'd hate to see him be a maula jatt kind of villain.

Enablers , abusers do not look like cartoon villains. They're not bad to their families. They have a respectable face in society. They're part of a family just like Ammar and are loved.

That is why it is very common especially in a desi society that vulnerable women who are marginalized like house helpers or people seeking jobs (we often see in news) are abused by these nice men.

These are someone's dad husband and son. Which is why women always refuse to support other women. This is why the society says to the women that you must have done something wrong as the accused is very "normal".

The trick is to not fall for Ammar's humanized characteristics even when you feel for him. Acknowledge it. It doesn't take an ounce away from his choices!

To me I judge a person not through their relationship to their loved ones or how well loved or kind they are. It is how they treat the vulnerable and marginalized.

So, it makes sense why they're casual about Ammar. They know him forever. But still I think a little more sensitivity could have been shown. I wish Bisma explained her "whys" of her reaction rather than just talk about dado. Why does she not want her daughter married to him? Only because she'll become a house servant or this guy is unsafe and can cause her harm by himself or his friends.

Also, the sudden casual and carefree dismissive attitude of Asim was strange. He was not written and shown like that. Feels out of character.

Nashwa has a plan. But none of the plan we came up with makes any sense. They're all weak reasons for her to marry Ammar.

I think Nashwa will be on a high of she's successful getting her mom married. Also, she's still young and naive and no match for the wisdom (rather the life experience and evil schemes) of Bakhtu and dado. She probably cannot have or fathom a long term vision of her own life when she's been fighting for the basics for so long. In that kind of fight or flight for survival you forget and make mistakes.

Originally posted by: Alizba63

That is a good analysis Storm. I really like how Ammar has a spark and dynamic to his relationships. You feel for him. I'd hate to see him be a maula jatt kind of villain.

Enablers , abusers do not look like cartoon villains. They're not bad to their families. They have a respectable face in society. They're part of a family just like Ammar and are loved.

That is why it is very common especially in a desi society that vulnerable women who are marginalized like house helpers or people seeking jobs (we often see in news) are abused by these nice men.

These are someone's dad husband and son. Which is why women always refuse to support other women. This is why the society says to the women that you must have done something wrong as the accused is very "normal".

The trick is to not fall for Ammar's humanized characteristics even when you feel for him. Acknowledge it. It doesn't take an ounce away from his choices!

To me I judge a person not through their relationship to their loved ones or how well loved or kind they are. It is how they treat the vulnerable and marginalized.

So, it makes sense why they're casual about Ammar. They know him forever. But still I think a little more sensitivity could have been shown. I wish Bisma explained her "whys" of her reaction rather than just talk about dado. Why does she not want her daughter married to him? Only because she'll become a house servant or this guy is unsafe and can cause her harm by himself or his friends.

Also, the sudden casual and carefree dismissive attitude of Asim was strange. He was not written and shown like that. Feels out of character.

Nashwa has a plan. But none of the plan we came up with makes any sense. They're all weak reasons for her to marry Ammar.

Ammar hasn’t undergone a proper trial for his crime. Was Bisma even present when Maheen came to the house? The case files are something Nashwa is familiar with, not Bisma. A woman who hasn’t been exposed to the outside world for decades, her perception of Ammar is just an extension of Bakhtiyar and Barkat Bibi. She’s not thinking about him being “unsafe” (Even Beenish talks about his anger issues and not the elephant in the room, this is exactly these criminals are perceived in their homes), she’s thinking about him being another Bakhtiyar. Something she voiced out to Sidra as well. And it makes SENSE. Bisma’s life in that house isn’t threatened by AMMAR. It’s threatened by his father and her mother in law.

As the audience yes it can be frustrating that oh why aren’t they focusing on Ammar’s crimes, but we have to look at it from Bisma’s point of view. What matters most for HER. What is her immediate concern? I mentioned before that the first “checkpoint” for Bisma has and always will be the people who call the shots in that house. Barkat and her son. And she did mention that Ammar will be just like his father.

As for Asim, he wants what’s best for his son. Yes he should be able to see through his son’s concerns for Nashwa as love. But I don’t doubt his intentions since Faryal IS an excellent match for Burhan on paper. In every way. This insecurity of Nashwa’s when it comes to Faryal was logical since day 1. She’s not even someone who we can hate, because faryal’s character is also very nice. Anyway, once Asim finds out that Burhan actually loves nashwa i’m sure he won’t have an issue with that either. The only out of character thing for me here was how he’s so lost in his own world that he hasn’t clocked Burhan’s feelings yet.