Qarz E Jaan (HUM) #4 - Usama, Nameer, Yumna | DT.N. Pg 136 - Page 64

Originally posted by: Stormborn01

Ammar hasn’t undergone a proper trial for his crime. Was Bisma even present when Maheen came to the house? The case files are something Nashwa is familiar with, not Bisma. A woman who hasn’t been exposed to the outside world for decades, her perception of Ammar is just an extension of Bakhtiyar and Barkat Bibi. She’s not thinking about him being “unsafe” (Even Beenish talks about his anger issues and not the elephant in the room, this is exactly these criminals are perceived in their homes), she’s thinking about him being another Bakhtiyar. Something she voiced out to Sidra as well. And it makes SENSE. Bisma’s life in that house isn’t threatened by AMMAR. It’s threatened by his father and her mother in law.

As the audience yes it can be frustrating that oh why aren’t they focusing on Ammar’s crimes, but we have to look at it from Bisma’s point of view. What matters most for HER. What is her immediate concern? I mentioned before that the first “checkpoint” for Bisma has and always will be the people who call the shots in that house. Barkat and her son. And she did mention that Ammar will be just like his father.

As for Asim, he wants what’s best for his son. Yes he should be able to see through his son’s concerns for Nashwa as love. But I don’t doubt his intentions since Faryal IS an excellent match for Burhan on paper. In every way. This insecurity of Nashwa’s when it comes to Faryal was logical since day 1. She’s not even someone who we can hate, because faryal’s character is also very nice. Anyway, once Asim finds out that Burhan actually loves nashwa i’m sure he won’t have an issue with that either. The only out of character thing for me here was how he’s so lost in his own world that he hasn’t clocked Burhan’s feelings yet.

@bold : right, right. Honestly, I was looking at it from an outsiders perspective and not Bisma's. You're right. From Bisma's it makes sense since those 2 call the shots. She is thinking of Nashwa in the house. Not outside. The poor woman really defends her abusers at times by slapping Nashwa but I get it. Well, at least there was some progress today. She was made to finally understand by Nashwa why they need Asim.

Asim - yes, Asim probably didn't forget about Nashwa. He's busy sorting Bisma out. But still that wasn't okay for him to say that about Nashwa. No one sane or kind can be okay in that lonney bin of a house. If Sidra could escape I feel she would.

Asim isn't going to force Burhan for Faryal. She's a perfect match for him. But love isn't perfect. Also, there were no scenes of B-N in front of Asim that he'll consider her. I understand but there was a scene when dado suggests for Nashwa for Burhan and Asim is like no they'll reject their proposal.

Sometimes I wonder why Asim thinks that Nashwa is owned by the Barkats? To the Barkats she is nothing more than a pawn to keep Bisma in line and use Nashwa as needed. They don't love her for Behzad.

Not judging Asim. Just the writing. I'm sure they'll clarify. I only have doubts because of the writer. And again these are just my musings.

Originally posted by: Stormborn01

I don’t think people’s concerns about the writing are invalid. They’re not. But the writing for me makes SO much sense if I’m looking at it from Nashwa or Bisma’s point of view instead of my OWN. I’m actually getting why the writer is showing a household which harbours a criminal THIS way. This is how it is realistically. I also think people give Nashwa and Bisma too much credit. Nashwa has courage but she IS naive and has her own blind spots too. She doesn’t give a crap about herself or her future except what it would mean for HER MOTHER. And a means to escape this place. Not for herself but for her MOTHER. Her entire world revolves around this woman. She is her axis and any decision she makes, Ammar and Burhan are immaterial because she’ll do what is best for her MOTHER. This is her first priority.

This is just my opinion but I think we can’t underestimate Barkat and Bakhtiyar’s capability in ruining both these women, they are more sinister towards these two than Ammar has ever been (his kartoot are outside the house, not inside so far), so of course they are the more immediate threat in Bisma’s perspective. She will deal with that threat first and then come to Ammar. Then we shouldn’t overestimate Bisma and Nashwa. They’re both very flawed characters like the rest in the show. Just because she’s the heroine she’s not gonna have everything figured out. It’s about what she’s prioritizing and what she thinks she can get away with. I don’t even perceive her to be a character who thinks about her own self. She’s always completely occupied with her mother. Woh tou Burhan ko bhi ignore kerti hai as much as she can, she’s brushing off her feelings which are clearly developing because it’s all a distraction for her.

Anyway, I think the way the story has been layered with the crime happening before, then the family politics now, and returning to the crime later, there’s a purpose behind it. So let’s wait and see. So far the intricacies and nuances have been dealt with very sensitively imo. Many think Ammar is getting whitewashed but just because we are seeing layers to him doesn’t mean his crime has been washed away. He was literally called a rapist last week by his father. It was used to blackmail him. It hasn’t been forgotten.

I am not saying the concerns are invalid but we need to give time , there is a purpose to show M case at start. There was no need to bring R case just to show A as evil, so the writer must have thought of it well.

Originally posted by: Alizba63

@bold : right, right. Honestly, I was looking at it from an outsiders perspective and not Bisma's. You're right. From Bisma's it makes sense since those 2 call the shots. She is thinking of Nashwa in the house. Not outside. The poor woman really defends her abusers at times by slapping Nashwa but I get it. Well, at least there was some progress today. She was made to finally understand by Nashwa why they need Asim.

Asim - yes, Asim probably didn't forget about Nashwa. He's busy sorting Bisma out. But still that wasn't okay for him to say that about Nashwa. No one sane or kind can be okay in that lonney bin of a house. If Sidra could escape I feel she would.

Asim isn't going to force Burhan for Faryal. She's a perfect match for him. But love isn't perfect. Also, there were no scenes of B-N in front of Asim that he'll consider her. I understand but there was a scene when dado suggests for Nashwa for Burhan and Asim is like no they'll reject their proposal.

Sometimes I wonder why Asim thinks that Nashwa is owned by the Barkats? To the Barkats she is nothing more than a pawn to keep Bisma in line and use Nashwa as needed. They don't love her for Behzad.

Not judging Asim. Just the writing. I'm sure they'll clarify. I only have doubts because of the writer. And again these are just my musings.

Nashwa is behzad’s daughter so of course as her grandparent and uncle, Barkat and Bakhtiyar call the shots. Asim is a cousin of Behzad’s, not brother. That’s why Barkat villa has this sense of “ownership” over Nashwa. Look to what extent they’ve dictated Bisma’s life, she is still referred to as “ghar ki bahu, Behzad ki biwi” - notice how Qudsiya politely corrected that to “widow, not bahu” in the latest episode. So the toxic ownership over this mother-daughter duo is very much ingrained in that family. So much so that it’s transferred over to Bisma’s thinking as well. In the last scene her ultimate worry wasn’t the proposal but what that would make Barkat Bibi think of her as a woman in terms of character. That she is desperate and frustrated and wants to get married. So she hates them BUT she’s still obsessed by their opinion of her - her own abusers! It’s such a realistic portrayal. It’s tragic but this is what happens.

This is why, while I think the support by Bi Jaan is great, I don’t think that can be availed by Bisma and Nashwa to the extent many of us think it should. The psychology of that toxic household just doesn’t match with giving over the rights and reigns to someone else. And mind you, these people have an ego clash with Asim and Bi Jaan and Burhan anyway. No way they will let these two women go until there’s something in it for them to gain. They’ll use every kind of blackmail and manipulation to shame Bisma into staying.

But of course we know eventually Bisma WILL get free. I’m quite excited to find out how next week. The next phase of the show will be really nice I feel. I don’t ship Nashwa with anyone per se so the marriage thing doesn’t bother me. I’m interested to see how things will unfold for her too. There’s obviously a journey for her through her marriage to Ammar

Originally posted by: Winterberry

I am not saying the concerns are invalid but we need to give time , there is a purpose to show M case at start. There was no need to bring R case just to show A as evil, so the writer must have thought of it well.

So the writer apparently talked to one of the reviewers - Sadaf Haider, if I’m not mistaken. Burhan is inspired by her father and Ammar by her nephews who killed her father over a land dispute. In front of her, apparently. So even with that background it makes sense for her to show Ammar’s character as a criminal which is normalised in our society. Who could be living within any household with his own history and baggage. I find the portrayal interesting and refreshing anyway, because most abusers/rapists ARE very much like him. They’re given shelter by their family, excused by them and the girl is blamed.

Given this background, again I don’t think Ammar will be whitewashed, but that arc will be revisited post marriage. He’s also important in terms of Nashwa’s journey. She may end up in Bisma’s shoes but that doesn’t mean she’ll have the same fate. There’s a lot of fight in her.

Originally posted by: Stormborn01

So the writer apparently talked to one of the reviewers - Sadaf Haider, if I’m not mistaken. Burhan is inspired by her father and Ammar by her nephews who killed her father over a land dispute. In front of her, apparently. So even with that background it makes sense for her to show Ammar’s character as a criminal which is normalised in our society. Who could be living within any household with his own history and baggage. I find the portrayal interesting and refreshing anyway, because most abusers/rapists ARE very much like him. They’re given shelter by their family, excused by them and the girl is blamed.

Given this background, again I don’t think Ammar will be whitewashed, but that arc will be revisited post marriage. He’s also important in terms of Nashwa’s journey. She may end up in Bisma’s shoes but that doesn’t mean she’ll have the same fate. There’s a lot of fight in her.

I am seriously having doubts whether Nashwa would marry either Ammar or Burhan during the course of the show. Maybe she will just Marry Burhan in the end and no marriage will take place before the case.

Originally posted by: Vivader

Are we sure Amaar is the killer or r@pist? I kinda skipped skipped and watched (not supporting a r@pist)

I saw an interview of the actor playing Amaar and he said his role wasn't negative so I'm kinda confused.

Even if he didn't kill , he definitely is the enabler. In my eyes, he is the main culprit n must get punished .

I am confused about all these things too. Deepak parwani said bakhtiyarpur isn't a pervert,but all his actions towards bisma makes you feel he's a pervert.

Nameer called ammar grey, but the dude is a part of the crime , so how is he labelling his character as grey ?

I think they all are confusing us .

Originally posted by: fun4ever89

I am seriously having doubts whether Nashwa would marry either Ammar or Burhan during the course of the show. Maybe she will just Marry Burhan in the end and no marriage will take place before the case.

Yeah, it seems like only about 10-11 episodes are left. I’m not sure how they’ll manage to wrap everything up in that short time. It looks like things are about to get intense once Nashwa confronts Bakhityar about Asim and Bisma’s marriage. When Bisma leaves the house, it’ll be Nashwa against everyone—up until now, Bisma was the one holding her back, but without her, Nashwa might actually go all in and get Ammar thrown behind bars. On the flip side, though, I’m wondering if Nashwa really has the guts to take on all of them.