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minal11 thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

I agree with most of your post, especially in regards to the message. But I completely disagree with the assumption that Laxmi and Ramesh failed as parents. No way.

Laxmi and Ramesh ARE Nisha's support system. When Nisha had the nightmare, she went to her dad. She went to him because she trusted him to keep her safe and help her through the nightmare. Laxmi is the only person Nisha even allows near her, physically. That also speaks of the trust, comfort, and support she accepts from her mother. Nisha's relationship with her parents is beautifully depicted.

As for Laxmi and Ramesh not figuring out the truth, I think there's a lot of factors at play. It would be wrong and simplistic to blame Laxmi/Ramesh or even Nisha.

We can gather from the fact that Nisha was childhood best friends with Sourav + her appreciation for sports, that she was never really a super girly girl. If she received awards for her sports, that means she was dedicated to them, kind of like Jwala and her academics. Thus, she probably didn't mind wearing Indian clothing, but wasn't obsessed with looking all pretty and girly like Kirti. Therefore when she stopped wearing suits, her parents probably took it as a teenage thing (because she was a teen).

Teenage years are very difficult for parents and people to manoeuvre. Honestly, I can totally see Nisha's parents chalking up her changing behaviours (not being all touchy-touchy with boys, stopping sports, refusing to wear Indian clothes, etc) as a product of teenage changes. There are girls who are just like Nisha, in regards to the clothing they prefer, etc., who haven't been abused.

Abuse itself manifests differently in people. Some people go into shock and think it never happened (which is what Nisha has done to some extent I think). Others pretend that it never happened. Others make their voices be heard and bring light to their situation. I don't think there's a general guideline that tells how an abused person reacts.

Also, I think it was very good of Laxmi to prob the matter. She took initiative after noticing and realizing that Nisha's behaviours were different. Heck I think her mom was great in even considering the fact that something happened. Some parents don't even consider that.

So yeah, I don't consider Laxmi and Ramesh bad parents.

But I definitely do agree that this show is bringing to light some great issues, especially the one of realizing how long it can take to realize that someone could be abused.

Can't agree more..
U hv perfectly put up all the points here.
at least Laxmi noticed nd taking the necessary steps though she is still unaware that something this much horrible has changed my daughter!!
BTW what ur name is???
Edited by minal11 - 11 years ago
Shruti21 thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
#22
I am not saying they are not caring, loving n supporting parents. But I will say they failed as in protecting her.
They knew their daughter changed SUDDENLY. Reasons -
1) Laxmi was talking to Ramesh and she clearly said "Pata nahi humari Nisha ko achanak kya ho gaya, pehle toh woh aisi nahi thi ladkiyon k jaise kapde pehna usse acha lagta tha". not exactly the same words but still as a crux we can say she did noticed that Nisha stopped behaving lil girlish. Still she failed to dig into the matter. She should have done that.
Example- its best to take my example than someone else. When I was a kid I never used to talk to boys of my class. I hated them passionately. (Not that I was abused) Reason was stupid, still this happened all of a sudden but my parents did noticed this and obviously they did a lot of explaining n all.
So if I love something at first and start hating out of the blue than for sure there is some reason you cant hate anything without any reason.
2) Nisha hated looking like a girl. She never wanted to wear lehnga on dolly's wedding. It can be a normal thing. But the way they have potrayed Nisha who can go to any extent just to help her cousins and make them happy she was dead stubborn over wearing it. Nisha loves Dolly THE most then if everything was normal she would have easily accepted it just for her sake. But no she was not ready till the end.
This might not be the first incidence in span of 8 years. So why anyone din noticed or tried to know the real reason till date?
3) I and you can never say, feel or predict how a abused child behave in starting, but I have done a lot of reading and research over this sensitive topic. And this is what I have concluded.
A child becomes numb, at first a child do try to tell his parents whats happening with him.
If they are very small they will say it directly, ( which parents take very lightly, and brush it off. Because usually relatives are the criminal in these cases and they show their undying trust on a relative rather than his child because woh toh bacha hai usse kya pata) Here parents fails to accept that someone can abuse their children.
But if he is a teenager and the first they feel so ashamed of themselves that they dont talk to anyone for days. They try their best to be alone. Still they try to drop some hints and try to talk their parents. They cant say it openly but a parents have to understand and take all these honts seriously.
From all the cases I have heard or read or all the doctors I have talked- all say one thing a child always approach his parents in these cases, if not he will always want to stay alone. And their is a drastic change in the behaviour of a child.
Nisha falls in the second category. Agreed she is a strong and secretive girl still I wont accept that she might have not shown any change in her character.
I am not blaming anyone. No parents can think about their child being sexually harrased even in their wildest dream. Still this world is full of criminals and you have to be attentive.
A parent love his child THE most. I have learnt only thing in my life your only well wisher is your parents. No one can love you like them. But still sometimes they fail, because at their world was full of good peoples. Things have changed now, you have to keep all these small details in your Mind.
P.S- Ignore the typos.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#23
^Personally, I think that is a much better post than your initial one! Very well written and argued! But I still disagree :P

1. I still don't think they failed as parents. If anything, I think they made a mistake in assuming that everything was alright (a product of her teenage moodswings and changes) instead of investigating it. So I do understand where you're coming from, and I do understand your sentiments, but I still believe fail is too hard of a word. They merely made a mistake. In order to have failed as parents, in my opinion, their relationship with Nisha would've had to have been terrible/ Nisha,Suku,Bunty would've been off the rails/ they wouldn't give a crap about their kids, etc. That to me is failing, which Laxmi and Ramesh haven't done.

2. Honestly, again, I can see where you're coming from, but this time I don't really agree. My sister is very similar to Nisha in that she HATES wearing Indian suits (only recently she has started). And that wasn't because she was assaulted or anything. It was just that she was going through her teenage years and preferred to wear stuff she felt comfortable/ good in, i.e. jeans and western clothes.

Also, Nisha didn't really hate looking like a girl. She may not have worn typical girly clothing, but her clothes were always suitable for girls as well. In fact, her clothing reminds me a lot of my clothing/ my sister's clothing even tho I'm very girly myself. She just desexualized herself with her clothes.

So honestly, the clothing issue would not necessarily raise any red flags. It could just be a quirk. The thing is, you RARELY ever expect something like abuse to happen to your daughter/ family member. Literally, that's like the last thing on most people's minds. You'd probably just assume it was a quirk or some teenage thing. Which is exactly what her parents and family members assumed. Plus, Nisha has been shown to be a very stubborn person. So it fits.

3. People can also go within shocks from abuse where they forget the abuse occurred/ attempt to forget it in order to "save" themselves. Which is what I think Nisha did. If she did do that, there's no way she'd want to talk about it to anyone.

Honestly, I have a sinking suspicion that when Nisha was abused and the principal talked to her, the principal threatened Nisha. She probably told Nisha that infamy or whatever would come to Nisha's family if she opened her mouth, which as sad as it is, the abused person is still generally looked down upon by society. And as Nisha loves her family so much/ is willing to do anything for them, she probably kept quiet. Idk, its all speculation, but the way Dolly mentioned that the principal talked to Nisha alone after the incident and the way Nisha refuses to even open/ think about the incident seems to point at something happened between Nisha and the principal.

Anyways, I've enjoyed discussing this with you! Thank you for keeping the discussion so clean! :)
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Posted: 10 years ago
#24
Wonderful to read a healthy discussion on this forum.

I completely understand the viewpoints of both lovelylady and Shruti. But as I said before, we need to wait and see what the incident was and how Nisha reacted after that.

As @lovelylady said, Lakshmi and Ramesh has made a mistake by not considering the issue to be a serious one. Nisha could have got stressed when asked repeated question on her change of behaviour and they might have considered to leave her alone and let her live the life the way she wants. I am happy that they aren't parents who constantly mock at Nisha's tomboyishness and have taken it sportingly. They aren't embarrassed by the fact that their daughter is different from others. We have seen situations where Nisha's behaviour have put them both into trouble. It could have happened numerous times in the past too. But even after that their love for her hasn't come down. So again, I wouldn't say they FAILED. Failed would be when they don't understand her problems.

Coming to the dress. I think its pretty normal for teenagers to behave differently at certain point of time. So that couldn't have triggered suspicion.

Also, we need to consider the family condition too. If Dadaji is so involved in the lives of his grandchildren, why didn't he see the change?

Bu the point is, we are forgetting who really is to be blamed. Its not Nisha. Its not Lakshmi or Ramesh. Its the people who assaulted her. Nisha, Ramesh and Lakshmi are all victims here. Those people have gotten away so easily leaving these three to struggle in their lives.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#25
@lovelylady- My lady, i never asked you to agree with me.. :P they are just my views. No one is bound to agree them. Hell, maybe my entire pov is wrong. I do believe "we should never judge anyone" but I always fail to stick my thoughts. Kya karu.. Bache hai na *pouts* seekh jayenge with time. ;)
@Shweta- *hiding behind chairs* I know we should never judge anyone without knowing the entire truth. Maybe we shouldn't do after that as well.. But being the impatient girl I am, it will take Lil more time to be be thoda aur patient.. :D
Thank you for commenting and showing me the other side of coin as well.. *hugs*
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Posted: 10 years ago
#26
@Shruti "hiding behind chairs"?? Hahaha. We are all sharing our views based on the experience and people we have met. When we take in general, all your points apply perfectly. Just that the story that we have on our hand is incomplete. Hence it is not wise of us to judge the characters. That's it.

I am really looking forward to see how they shape this track as this issue plays a huge role for the show. Will Lakshmi share this with Ramesh? Will Ramesh state this reason to Dadaji to postpone the wedding. What will Nisha's reaction be when she comes to know that her parents have found out? Will the culprits be caught and given punishment? Answers to these question will be interesting.
Shruti21 thumbnail
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Posted: 10 years ago
#27
let the history be unfold today.. Hahaha..
its going to be a super cry epi, still dil pe bada Sa pathar rakh i will watch it. :)
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Posted: 10 years ago
#28
This show has picked up on very sensitive Issue and I appreciate it... Bcoz its d shameful and absurd reality of our society.

I had already guessed it when Nisha had those dreams where she was in school uniform...

I m looking forward on this 😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
#29
Am a silent member of this forum but could not help post this
@TM do not agree with you completely. It is quite difficult for parents to spot the sexual abuse spot on especially when you are in conservative environment. It is difficult for the parents to believe or digest that something of this nature can happen with their child.

But am glad that in this case Laxmi is taking steps to know the truth and the right steps. One of the right step is to speak with the counselor. I hope they take this positively a step further by coaxing Nisha to see the counselor who can help her come out of this trauma that she has buried it for so long. And also somehow push the marriage for Nisha in back burner as the way I see it she is not mentally ready and till she comes out of the horrifying past she may not be ready.


Hope they show in the serial that it is okay to take external help and support and it is not really derogatory to seek a help of the counselor who is well qualified to handle such problems.



Because that should also be pushed forward by the serials as in India there is still a taboo to approach a counselor or psychologist when required.
Edited by dsupriya - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: dsupriya

Am a silent member of this forum but could not help post this

@TM do not agree with you completely. It is quite difficult for parents to spot the sexual abuse spot on especially when you are in conservative environment. It is difficult for the parents to believe or digest that something of this nature can happen with their child.

But am glad that in this case Laxmi is taking steps to know the truth and the right steps. One of the right step is to speak with the counselor. I hope they take this positively a step further by coaxing Nisha to see the counselor who can help her come out of this trauma that she has buried it for so long. And also somehow push the marriage for Nisha in back burner as the way I see it she is not mentally ready and till she comes out of the horrifying past she may not be ready.


Hope they show in the serial that it is okay to take external help and support and it is not really derogatory to seek a help of the counselor who is well qualified to handle such problems.


Because that should also be pushed forward by the serials as in India there is still a taboo to approach a counselor or psychologist when required.


First let me do happy dance..🥳 I actually made a silent member to come out and speak few words.. yayyy.. well that's commendable.. *pat my back*👏

Well I never asked anyone to agree with me..😛 India is a democratic country babes.. 😊 You have every single right to keep your view..😃😆 Sorry for being over dramatic.. 😉
Lets just hope CV's dont mess up with all.. ⭐️

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