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Posted: 7 years ago
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@naj- emotional attachment to Neil Khanna 😳 . Yday when I saw this post I was about to write a rebuttal but then Saw Darcy fan's reply to this and she covered what I wanted to say. But I agree that Neil did try to stop her always. To be fair to the tm, I doubt she had any intention to question Neil's loyalty. She just probably didn't remember things as clearly as you did.
One thing that I was thinking as you wrote that list was that- is it Neil's husbandly concern? Because like you said he showed the concern even when she was a stranger. The way I saw it, he initially stayed in the marriage to stop Avni becoming a criminal and he was trying to reform her. So most of his actions until recently could be attributed to his goodness- not husbandly concern. There is not even an inch of doubt that Neil is a great human being. He is the best there is. That is the reason why he's so much into Juhi now. Because of his innate goodness. However, we call want to see him consider Avni's feeling when he does that. Even the best Neil advocate has to admit that he's being extremely reckless taking into consideration his wife's feelings, especially since he loves her and wants to be with her. Not blaming him but that's not a good husbandly quality.
Another thing that has been going on in my mind since I read few other posts- why is Neil guilty? I think it's bit stretched to think that Juhi's condition was due to him. That reasoning doesn't strike a cord with me at all.. I can imagine him being guilty initially but not this long. I feel the foundation upon which they are building this is very shaky: how many women married audiences do you think can understand Neil's actions since Juhi's entry? I doubt any .. again it's my personal opinion.
Inspite of your disclaimer, I find your narrative recently Neil friendly .. would love to hear your thoughts on Avni.. Avni, the girl who we followed from the beginning of the serial.. who went through a lot before Neil entered her life. Avni who deserves much much more from world including Neil.. I ammnot ashamed to say- my sympathies are with her... It's exasperating to see Neil doing this because I am looking at her feelings. Because Juhi is not the main character here- I do sympathize with her. But here I am invested in Avni's story. I want to see her pain and suddenly I can't shift my focus to Juhi even though I sympThize with her.
Ps. From the very beginning I have always considered Juhi's plight and sympathized and never bashed her or Poonam. Check my posts ...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: LuvAlways

@arsishfan you are using rude words for forum members... you can write your views without making harsh remarks on what others think about characters..


I never target a person and I clearly explained that in my post when I said that there is a difference between the person and the comment. People have all the freedom to express what they think and I respect that but it's a forum for discussion and as a responsible human being if I feel that some ideas even if taken lightly might actually result in grave damage in real life the least I can do is point it out I never try to compell anyone to agree with me nor do I have the right to. And if still with all this, forum moderators feel I'm against forum rules then I will happily refrain from commenting again in a forum where freedom speech is limited and where u can't call a spade a spade!

By harsh words if u mean insensitive, inhuman and unfair, let me tell u it was about the comments not the people who made them. I didnt post those comments because I respect these people wouldnt want them to feel uncomfortable
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: LuvAlways

@arsishfan you are using rude words for forum members... you can write your views without making harsh remarks on what others think about characters..


Hi there, I know Naj personally... she's a very sweet person and a gem of a writer. She wasn't being rude! just hurt by our rudeness to her favorite character 😳 .. please don't judge people without knowing very well dear ... peace!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Not quoting because it would only take the thread too much time to load due to the gifs.
@Naj : That was a lovely and deep dive into what Neil Khanna has been, so far on the show.
There's a reason we expect so much from him, and that is the fact that gems like Neil Khanna are very, very hard to find in real life.
Needless to say, that is why we strike all our chords with him and how.

I guess that's precisely why what he does is way too scrutinized compared to what others do on the show.
Avni is a courageous woman, level-headed, and would hardly follow what others want her to abide by, in this case, Neil's orders.
In the very beginning of the post I have mentioned that I don't know where the current track is heading and how much of what happens is a part of AvNeil's plan and how much is REAL.

So it is simply based on that, I have a wish that Neil exercises some husbandly rights on Avni! Because trust me, as a viewer, as a fan of not just AvNeil but also Neil Khanna, and as a woman, it is very, very disappointing to see the guy who has so far held Avni as the most important person in his life, suddenly be blinded by Juhi, and let Avni take such damaging risks for Juhi's sake, when he claims to have gotten over his love for Juhi and is said to be head over heels in love with Avni.

That's all.

Best,
Simi 😳
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Subiaman

Hi, I wanted to reply in the morning before I leave home but I couldn't as my appointment was nearing so I had to wait till I get back home to complete typing it😊

Now you sweetly made it seem like I'm biased😆! I don't blame you if you feel this way or anyone else for that matter because I knew my post would give that impression but believe me if Avni was facing the same and I felt it wiped all what Avni as a person was/is I would have reacted the same way. If my focus these days was on Neil, it's simply because he is the one who is the target.

See I always try to see things from different angles and I kind of focus on the point which is the bone of contention, I try to understand why and if in real life it can happen. I was lately reading some scientific researches on the feeling of guilt.

And yes I question Neil Khanna's actions and reactions and yes many times as a woman I feel revolted why would I deny it. I said it I am a woman as well and yes the first time that OLV about him leaving the altar was out, my first reaction was how could he?! with a twinge in my heart but then I decided to not comment till I see how things unfold.

Avni!!!, does this lady deserve anything but cheer and undiluted happiness!❤️ I mean the amount of pain she went through in her life and which started since she was a child, is something that not anyone can take without completely crumbling down and losing all hope in life, relationships, and even the willingness to live in such a world full of cruelty. I didn't watch the show pre-leap yet with the little I know I admire this girl and I'm actually impressed to say the least. I mean how does she even do it?!! From where does she draw that strength that after falling down in some of the worst ways, she gets up and fights back with the same ferocity as if nothing happened. How many atrocities she faced in her life! The childhood where children are carefree, leaving all the responsibilities on elders and just enjoying their time in their small world of innocence, where there is nothing but joy, happiness and playfulness, that childhood which is a right to every child, was something Avni didn't have the luxury to have! She was her mom's support system, when you usually expect the mother to be the one supporting her children, soothing their pain, discarding the fears from their hearts, bringing them the practical and emotional support, here we had a reverse role, Avni was the one who used to sing her mother lullaby and tried and strived to give her rights as a wife and by the same way Avni tried to achieve the dream of the happy family she wanted. I know I don't know the entire details, so no matter what I would say here I won't be able to depict things and give Avni justice, but I know she tried to get her parents married and her dad left in the middle of rasams and never showed up till everything has finished, in other words he abandoned Ayesha and Avni leaving them with broken hearts. That was Ayesha and Ashish equation still, but what would kill you is the way a father could publicly refuse to recongnize his child who was waiting there with those big shining eyes finally expecting her dad to take pride in front of the whole society of her being his daughter, it was like she was waiting for him to validate her existence, I watched that scene and that big smile of Arsheen and then how that brightness of those eyes which were moist with hope exintinghised under the shock she received. Her eyes were filled with tears, tears of disappointment, of sadness as the feeling of rejection was sinking in, nothing can be more painful than being rejected by your loved ones, feeling that you wasn't worth it enough for them to stand by you and say a word of truth for you. To top it all, a father could actually suspect his daughter of murder woh bhi the murder of her own mother and he sent her to jail, I mean when I first heard this and watched the show where he told her that now he thinks what was between him and her mother was a mistake as they got a daughter like her!! I mean a child of 12 years old hearing this, not only her dad refused to recognize her but he is believing she is a monster and that she could kill her mom, the mom she was trying to make happy all this time, the mom she was taking pride in having her name Avni Ayesha, anyone I won't talk about Ashish but Avni yaar I don't even know how many traumas she went through, one single one of this traumas is enough to send you to an asylum especially given the fact that she is not an adult, the scars left by childhood experiences never go away, you can overcome things if you are grown up but when you carry a wound bleeding from childhood you definitely won't be able to completely be over it. I mean yes you will understand things and even try to forget but the bitter feeling associated with that would still be there and now I remember Avni's dialogue to Neil when she told him that her wound is still hurting, that does he think she doesn't feel pain now (it was the scene in their bedroom during Ali's kidnapping track). These were not the only atrocities she faced, she tried to win her grand mother's love and affection but she was humiliated and tortured, locked up in a dark room with all kind of insects, if a grown up person can't stand then you can only imagining how traumatizing that may be for a child. Yet this child had hope always, tried to do everything to give her mom respect in society I heard she tried to release a film on her parents' life but she had to face another loss, her mom who died and her brother who was snatched from her. And then she discovers that the grand-mother she is trying to win over has killed her mother!! The girl still didn't break, she fought to get evidence and get her mother murderess arrested and she even succeeded, I mean you would wonder how could a child of 12 years do all this, it was clear since then that she was an exceptional person, she was like no other, but that child had to be once again face another disappointment as the system she expected to give her justice was the exact system which was doing her injustice and as if all this wasn't enough, a child had to face death getting shot but none other than her own grand-mother. A bundle of joy full of life, optimism, intelligence, with a spark had to face all these things and guess what she still had her never die attitude, her love for her brother was a catalyst that helped her to move on and she grown up to be this beautiful strong determined bindas lady don, she was case 123, she is a vigilante! I mean indeed she is one of a kind! This beautiful soul had though the clouds of revenge controlling her mind, she hated men, she hated the system, and why can anyone blame her, she has everytime faced injustice and disappointment from her loved ones and from the system which she trusted once. Once trust is broken it's hard to getting it back.

This lady nevertheless met that man, she didn't like him at the beginning, she thought he was hampering her plans, an annoyance! but what she didn't know is that this man was her soulmate, the one who taught her how to love, he saved her from a dark fate and he mended her broken heart. He gave her back hope in love, in the system and gave her a new desire to live her life, no wonder in today's episode she gathered the courage to tell him what he means to her and the impact he had on her life, I was flabbergasted when she told him to choose her! Wow!! I mean sweetheart no woman can hold a flame to you, you should never be in a position where someone should choose you! Still I liked the fact that she didn't want to sacrifice her love, she loves him and even if Juhi is his first love and might be a good person she wants him to choose her! I liked that, finally the girl started thinking of herself, of what she really wants!

She told him she wants to spend the rest of her life with him and she wants to have a happy family with him!! But look at kismat's irony!! She had to get a shock; one would wonder why this beautiful soul can't have an undiluted happiness, Neela's fears were on the spot. Why even when Avni gets happiness she gets it mixed with pain. When Neil finally heard the words he always wanted to , he had to break this news to his lady love, a news which definitely broke her heart, she must have felt that she lost him! But he assured her that no, while people might find it insensitive on his part, I would still say that I respected the honesty, unlike other shows where the girl learns from other sources and ends up misunderstanding, but by GOD that was heart wrenching, she was innocent, she had her eyes full of hope, that beautiful face looking at him and proposing him, a woman who tried to overcome all her fears, all her pain, to forget all her disappointments and God knows how much difficult was that, that girl had that one moment which is supposed to be one of the best moments of her life poisoned with the bitter truth of her husband's past! I felt like crying, my heart went totally to her! And guess what I still admire her! she decided to stay beside him, despite his past, she took the decision immediately, not even time to overcome her pain, her shock, she loves him this much!!! And I'm also happy that he gave her the choice if she wants to stay with him or not, he knew it's not something easy to accept and even she didn't he wouldn't have blamed her!

So Bottom line is I feel bad for AvNeil especially Avni, I mean look at the kismet ka khel!! I told Shonali that I hoped after DVM's track to see Avni happy, very happy. I wanted him to shower all his love on her to pamper her, to focus his full attention on her, to make her forget all the pain she went through, sure she is a person who doesn't ask for much she just wants his love and his saathi but this woman as I said deserves to have undiluted happiness and she deserves to be the priority in someone's life. I don't doubt his feelings for her, nor his intentions, I understand him and his situation by GOD it isn't easy at all, the way he is also, Shweta explained that one of the main purposes in his life is to help bebaas and lachar people but yes he will face the music and even symphonies if he leaves her at the altar because it's opening an old wound of Avni plus the embarrassment, it's definitely something extremely painful and hurtful, I have no doubt about his good intentions though, Juhi didn't have an accident, she tried to commit a suicide which means she can repeat the attempt once again, she needs not only psychiatric help but also someone she trusts to persuade her, people might not agree with me as they would imagine it out of question for a lover to run and leave his love there without even an explanation which is highly wrong but I still think that no one knows how people might react in real life, I wouldn't accept it, (the explanation part at leadt should be there for me), no woman would, it's something hard to digest but objectively if you consider human psychology and the thought the person might have had of the situation at that moment you might understand, understanding doesn't mean agreeing but we are human beings, and there is no one more complicated than human beings! Is it fair to Avni, No! Is Neil answerable Yes! Does it mean he doesn't love her No!

Yet I would still say that I love their love story, I love it a lot and guess what today's episode made me even love it more, people might be all shocked at Neil being the father even I wished he was not, even I wished the first time for him to be with Avni as well as the first child but yaar their honesty, understanding and love for each other is something I respect despite all this! And to tell u the truth despite it not being something I wanted because not only I'm an AvNeil shipper but also a romantic at heart but still my logical self thought of it as a possibility because the show's name is Naamkaran, and it would be logical that the Naamkaran would be related to the main protagonists and not to someone else. So far the way the story was told is convincing to me, AvNeil's equation is still the same to me, it even gained another feather today not because the child is his, but because the beauty of the episode, the love, the acceptance and even Shweta's scene, (was Neil full of admiration to case 123 before meeting her, or was it when he suspected her to be Ananya Varma, anyways he loved her even when he was treating her as a case, he spent hours at night studying the case, smiling!) I also respect CVs for sticking to their vision and not changing anything under any pressure, story if messed up with then inconsistency starts and story goes for a toss!

I thought Neil would be the kind of guys who would wait till after marriage, I mean I thought rules for him include social/religious rules as well and not only law's but seems he had no problem since he was in love and sure of his relationship.

About the child, I don't know, if Juhi spent 5years in the brothel how come the child is also 5years, it should be younger, she should be normally pregnant in her first months when she was kidnapped! Anyways Naamkaran and even other shows are never consistent with age, timing...let's just hope characters and story are good

Anyways enough of my bak bak, I don't know people might not understand me, usually I try to understand and see things from different angles and I try to never be hasty with my opinions, feelings are something which is not easily controlled but at least I can allow my thoughts to make me see sense. I hope I succeed at achieving this even in my real life.


P.S : Ignore typos

ETA: Obviouly CVs might have a surprise of the baby not being his but if Juhi is positive and not lying then she took the rape baby as Neil's but she should think of the possibility of the child not being Neil's even if she thinks she supposedly conceived the baby right before her being kidnapped! Moreover in all cases the child can't be 5years old. Last option is Juhi lying but Neil not denying means he used to get intimate with her anyways!

Another question if the child is Neil's why Juhi was begging him this much, I mean it would be his obligation to look for the child if it's his not a favor!

Many questions are there if we don't take things at face value

Let's see what they show. Personally till now and even if I take things at face value, the story and AvNeil still hold my interest.

Edited by arshisfan - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Naj 😊.. We all have favorites, whether we agree it or not! And mine might be Avni, I suspect, because I always and foremost think about her 😳..
Nice post as always! Personally if the scene plays out as shown in the olv- nothing in the world will justify Neil's actions to me. If he had shown that kind of reaction to Avni or his parents being in a critical condition, I can understand. But not for someone towards whom he just has a sense of duty not unconditional love... He didnt have to finish the rituals of the wedding, but he could have told Avni that he has to leave or even taken her with him since she stood with him in this so far ( even after knowing the child issues, tried to help him and Juhi to get the child back). She deserves that much.. And he should have that much presence of mind since it is Juhi who is in danger- Not Avni! His actions looked like that of a man running towards his life.. You act irrationally like that only when you lose or is about to lose someone very valuable. I really really hope they show things differently in the episode than what's shown in OLVs. I dont want to lose the Neil living in my heart...

I also feel Zain need to work on his expressions a bit here (ready for chappals from his pankhis).. But we should be able to differentitate between his care/concern for Juhi and his love for Avni.. Right now it looks like he is more into Juhi. That is why people are upset with his Juhi jaap. His facial expressions/body language show a deep relationship with her- doesnt match his words. I could cite numerous examples but not a good writer or lawyer (like you Naj).. Dont get me wrong- Zain is an exceptionally good actor and he nails most of the scenes. We all love Neil because of Zain. I Love his portrayal of romantic and emotional scenes and he excels beyond words in action scenes ( I absolutely adore the way he stands with his hands in the pockets, legs apart- like a man of authority). But this thing he hasnt got it right! The differences in his feelings for Avni and Juhi can be brought by small nuances in acting, which he hasn't been able to. We have to rely on the dialogues or script for that and that wont work always. He cannot keep saying one thing and doing something else. Just my personal opionion...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Want to say just one thing,
Keep watching Naamkaran, Monday to Friday, raat 9 baje only on Star Plus🤣

Kyunki, har bure waqt k baad achha waqt jaroor aata hai.
And as Zain and Aditi has already said a lot of time that fans ko romantic scenes dekhne ko jaroor milega. So, I m just clinging on their words...😃
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Everyone's written loads on this and i doubt I can add to it. But. Read Mandy's post on Pagq 1. And I agree with her. Like he's restrained her so many times and in so many ways, including handcuffing her, there's nothing more he can do. Maybe lock her up in jail for the entire duration. Lol.
But even then, A, he loves her too much to do that. He did that once to show her but it didn't work. B, she'd get out from there also.
Kudos to him for handling her excellently.
As far as the plan is concerned, things are playing out differently. We take the OLV at face value which we shouldn't. When the proposal OLV came out, there was a hue and cry about Neil being unable to tell her the truth. But he did tell her in today's episode. OLVs are only half truths.
So, I am not even speculating on the plan coz we'll see. They are going on an outdoor shoot. It's gonna be fun to watch.
Sometimes, I feel it would be so much easier without these OLVs, though they are good in some ways. The suspnese is always revealed. Anyhow. Yeah that's all.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Subiaman

I don't doubt his love for Avni, he has proved it with his actions, words and u can see it through his eyes, Obviously I want to see his junoon for Avni but he has done a lot for her, yes I get bothered with the intensity of his reactions for Juhi but I still try to understand, it's a past baggage, not always easy to get rid of when it's linked to guilt especially since he has moved on and he is happy while she faced nothing but misery.


I think Zain can deliver expressions wise, his scenes of guilt and humdardi are very powerful, he had intense scenes with Avni, obviously I would want to see a high level of junoon for Avni but in Neil style, and I'm sure it's coming our way.

But yes acting wise there is always scope to improvment though I think he has all what he needs, he should just utilize it at the right time. I speak from my experience of making GIFs and observing expressions closely before I didn't find him very good but then I started observing and learnt to appreciate his work I think he is a good actor. I love his romantic scenes, longing scenes, he definitely is good at more than just action scenes.

Yes to be honest I told Shonali the same if he leaves her at the altar without explanation then that's a huge problem for me as well. I mentioned it in some of my posts, he should have explained the situation to her, asked for her permission, apologized to guests or asked Prakash to do it and took Avni with him. My problem just like u wasn't not completing the wedding but the fact he didn't take time to explain things, and run like demented. From a lover u would expect this much presence of mind. So don't feel we are on different pages subiaman but I wanted to know if in real life from a psychological point of view this can happen for someone who isn't as dear as a love or parents, I started researching about the power of guilt if it can trigger such strong reactions.

Anyways that's something bothering all of us because while in dargah we tried to understand his shock as a woman he loved and mourned was back from death and that was bound to be extremely shocking but here I can't digest it, 2 minutes of explanation won't stop the earth from spining! I admire Avni's love, understanding and trust but in this situation, any reaction of Avni would be understandable!


ETA: Anyways I don't want to confuse myself and forget the good things, I love AvNeil both and I'm watching their love story, I'm not here to judge them, I admire and respect their love, and their equation is unique and they understand it better. I don't want to take sides even when at times I might feel for one more than the other according to the situation but while I admire them individually I like them even more as a couple!
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Anyways I will give myself a break, it's much needed especially since my real life needs me dearly. Thanks for all the appreciation😊
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