Shreya Ghosal - Himesh ji is amazing - Page 3

Originally posted by: ssk13809

You're misunderstanding.


1 Award doesn't make you automatically better than someone who has no awards. So in that case awards aren't everything.

But 1 playback singer of the year, especially where you are universally selected, does make you an elite singer. It does put you down in history as one of the best of his era. Awards can do at least that much.

Once again my question would be do you consider Kailash Kher as elite singer or not?

Originally posted by: slumdog

Once again my question would be do you consider Kailash Kher as elite singer or not?

Yes. Because unlike you, I give him credit for winning an award from Filmfare. I don't know why you don't, because he was listed as a winner along with Shaan.

So I consider him elite.


And once again, awards make you elite. But not winning an award, doesn't mean you can't be considered elite either. KK has many award nominations, he never won from filmfare (though he won from SS), but I still consider him elite too.

Originally posted by: ssk13809

Yes. Because unlike you, I give him credit for winning an award from Filmfare. I don't know why you don't, because he was listed as a winner along with Shaan.

So I consider him elite.


And once again, awards make you elite. But not winning an award, doesn't mean you can't be considered elite either. KK has many award nominations, he never won from filmfare (though he won from SS), but I still consider him elite too.

So you give credit to Kailash Kher for singing one line and winning award. He was definitely listed as award winner but do you really think he deserved award? You said tht singer might be great but winning the award makes him/her elite. Dude you are contradicting your comments every now and then, First decide why singers should be conisidered elite. Then debate

Originally posted by: ssk13809

<br><br>Once again, when talking about Himesh, I'm not just considering filmfare He won for filmfare, star screen, IIFA, Zee Cine, you name it. He was the universal singer of the year.<br><br>And once again, I said this before too, that awards aren't everything and just because you have an award doesn't make you automatically better. <br><br>Shreya's opinion holds more value than any of our opinions, and thus just her opinion alone is strong. She doesn't need to support it. <br><br>All I'm saying is, you can have your own opinion of Himesh and his singing. Someone can have their own opinion that Mika > Sonu at singing. I don't care in both cases. In both cases, things outside your opinions, things point opposite. Things outside your opinion say Himesh is a great singer, and Sonu >>>>>>>>> Mika. <br><br><br>So really, as of now, without awards or any other support, you are no different than someone thinking Mika > Sonu. That's how "right" you are in a sense. What I'm trying to say he is, you can think Himesh is a bad singer. But overall, the world, has Himesh has one of the best singers. History has Himesh as one of the best singers. These awards stay with you forever. And Himesh forever will be recognized as one of the best for his era. You're opinion is worthless without support. <br><br><br><br><br>

Oh wow just because he won every single award in 2006 makes him a legend and puts him in history. That's so rubbish. Sanjay Dutt won an award after almost 18 years. That means he went down in history books only after getting that award and all the directors were foolish to cast him as their lead actor in those 18 years. Dude its the work that counts and not the awards.
You never mention Mohit Chauhan in your awardees list. He has also won Channel V award in 1998. So that makes him elite also. Mika has won awards in Punjab. So he should also be considered elite. This is insane.
I can give you 10 reasons why Sonu Nigam is way way better than Mika and Himesh without using awards as my support criteria.
Ghulam Ali, Talat Mehmood, Ustaad Sultaan Khan, Pt Jasraj, Ghulam Musthafa, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan...these are some names which have never won any award. I know what will you say now that I don't use awards as the only criteria. Then tell me what make all these singers elite.

Originally posted by: slumdog

So you give credit to Kailash Kher for singing one line and winning award. He was definitely listed as award winner but do you really think he deserved award? You said tht singer might be great but winning the award makes him/her elite. Dude you are contradicting your comments every now and then, First decide why singers should be conisidered elite. Then debate

Ok clearly you have been misunderstanding. But let me clear those misunderstandings in 1 statment




Tons of credit is given for winning an award. It's a major accomplishment, and it makes you an elite singer. However, you are not penalized for not winning an award. You are not out of eliteness for not winning an award. You are not automatically worse for not winning an award.


Get it now? These are called accomplishments. Accomplishments make one greater, but not accomplishing something doesn't necessarily make one less great.

Originally posted by: brahmabul

Oh wow just because he won every single award in 2006 makes him a legend and puts him in history. That's so rubbish. Sanjay Dutt won an award after almost 18 years. That means he went down in history books only after getting that award and all the directors were foolish to cast him as their lead actor in those 18 years. Dude its the work that counts and not the awards.
You never mention Mohit Chauhan in your awardees list. He has also won Channel V award in 1998. So that makes him elite also. Mika has won awards in Punjab. So he should also be considered elite. This is insane.
I can give you 10 reasons why Sonu Nigam is way way better than Mika and Himesh without using awards as my support criteria.
Ghulam Ali, Talat Mehmood, Ustaad Sultaan Khan, Pt Jasraj, Ghulam Musthafa, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan...these are some names which have never won any award. I know what will you say now that I don't use awards as the only criteria. Then tell me what make all these singers elite.

Once again, I don't look at every award show in the country. Only the big ones. And Himesh won for filmfare, which has been going since the 60s, that is why it's a historic award show. In other words, in 2050 they still will see Himesh was the playback singer of the year in 2006. Filmfare, National Awards, they go for a while and are historic. People are not going to remember the work of every singer 50 years from now, only the ones who had big accomplishments will be remembered. Not the ones who never won anything and had a bunch of songs.

[quote=brahmabul]I can give you 10 reasons why Sonu Nigam is way way better than Mika and Himesh without using awards as my support criteria.[/quote]

Can you? How many of those are not your opinion? Because then the Mika fan can also give you 10 reasons why he thinks Mika sings better than Sonu. Don't you get it? You're not making any point by just using your opinion. You need support.

Originally posted by: ssk13809

Ok clearly you have been misunderstanding. But let me clear those misunderstandings in 1 statment




Tons of credit is given for winning an award. It's a major accomplishment, and it makes you an elite singer. However, you are not penalized for not winning an award. You are not out of eliteness for not winning an award. You are not automatically worse for not winning an award.


Get it now? These are called accomplishments. Accomplishments make one greater, but not accomplishing something doesn't necessarily make one less great.

Buddy you should rephrase what you wanna say. Sometime you say good singer become elite once he win award, then you say not winning the award does not throw you out of elite singer category. Let me conclude wht you wanna say. According to you Himmesh is elite singer whether he win or not win the award. He is the elite singer who also won award. Thats what you wanna say. If that is so when you bring his award to prove he is elite singer. You can do that without award too. I mean if he is elite singer without award too, You should be able to prove tht he is elite without award too.

Originally posted by: slumdog

Buddy you should rephrase what you wanna say. Sometime you say good singer become elite once he win award, then you say not winning the award does not throw you out of elite singer category. Let me conclude wht you wanna say. According to you Himmesh is elite singer whether he win or not win the award. He is the elite singer who also won award. Thats what you wanna say. If that is so when you bring his award to prove he is elite singer. You can do that without award too. I mean if he is elite singer without award too, You should be able to prove tht he is elite without award too.

You said tht not winning the award does not penalized you from considering elite singer , same way winning award does not make you elite singer too. People consider Shaan , Sukhwinder, Sonu Nigam as elite singer for their vocal performance, for their technicality not for the award.

All award winners (major award winners) = elite singers
Non-Award Winners = Possibly Elite Singers

I think Himesh is an elite singer because of his singing talent. He has great singing ability, he hits his high notes great, sings with his soul, he can sing slow to fast songs really well, knows the singing technicalities in matching the song (Being a music director helps on that), and so on. Pretty much I think his singing ability makes him elite.

The award is just support for my opinion of his elite singing.

Hey ssk, I've been asking u a simple question in another related thread and u keep avoiding it man. Was HR's singing better than the singing in ALL of these Other songs of 2005? Just say yes if u think his SINGInG was better. Thanks.
1. Sonu Nigam in 'Dheere Jalna' from Paheli
2. Sonu Nigam in 'Suna Mann Ka Angan' from Parineeta
3. Sonu Nigam in 'Piyu Bole' from Parineeta

3. Udit Narayan in 'Dhadak Dhadak' from Bunty aur Babli
4. Udit Narayan in 'Hum Hain Iss Pal Yahaan' from Kisna
5. Udit Narayan in 'Agar Tum Mil Jao' from Zeher

6. Kumar Sanu in 'Lo Shuru Ab' from Shabd
7. Kumar Sanu in 'Barsaat Ke Din Aaye' from Barsaat

8. Shaan in 'My Dil Goes Mmmm' from Salaam Namaste
9. Shaan and KK in 'Dus Bahaane' from Dus

10. Shankar Mahadevan in 'Nach Baliye' from Bunty aur Babli

11. Kailash Kher in 'Mangal Mangal' from Mangal Pandey

Waiting for ur reply...