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khamosshhh

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Posted: 14 years ago

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A very well written post, but just a few disagreements.

True Manhar and Jyotsna hv been unfair with Rupal, but when Rupal came Jyotsna's frame of mind wasn't quite right and all the anger she was harbouring against IMV she spilled it out againt Rupal. Ttrue that does not excuse a mother's behaviour, but it's a very human reaction to have. (BTW they haven't shown Rupal working yet wid IMV and this shuld be rectified as tht was d reason shown for her returning to IMV's house).

The thought did cross my mind that how can Manhar be in the committee as his close relatives r the bidders? It's not only unethinical but also I think it must be against the rule as even when there r competitions, the fine print says tht participants cannot be relatives of ppl working for tht particular company. So d serial makers made a mistake there.

As far as Manhar going 2 the airport to inform Devki, it was shown melodramatically for impact...and I don't find anything wrong in Manhar informing D as all r concerned parties were informed.

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koolsadhu1000

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Why do people view characters in a simple black and white light ? There is a world of grey in between. Its pretty much the standard formula on tv, rich-ambitious-BAD and poor-moral-GOOD.

bips I watch this serial only for this grey thats splashed around . The beauty of this serial is that it minimizes the black and white segregation that we see in other predictable serials .

I noticed that IMV hurts people only when they cross his goal . He does not hurt just because he enjoys being mean . There are people who hurt only coz they enjoy it .IMV hurts only and only when his one and only passion in life ...Vaibhav group is stopped from flourishing . I would not describe IMV as a mean man . But I wud definetely describe him as a ruthless man .

Till the point people around him dislike him but do not interfere in HIS life or Vaibhav Group's development , IMV is indifferent to them . He may not like them or respect them but he does not harm them ...he is indifferent to them . But the moment they put their foot in the way of Vaibhav Group , IMV is a rattlesnake whose tail has been stepped on .

Lets see the list of people he harmed and for what reasons .

1] Sabina . He flung her out of his life coz she threatened to take his son Vaibhav away . Vaibhav is the pillar of his Vaibhav Group as he has minimal expectations from Siddarth .

2] Devki : He wud not have even noticed her , but she crossed him in the bidding and his attention was pulled towards her . He immediately realised his mistake of underestimating her intelligence when she first applied to his group and got her fired from Rising Group so she cud join Vaibhav Group .

He put her in jail for two days to rattle her as she cost Vaibhav Group a considerable loss . The expectation is She shud now see sense and join Vaibhav Group .

IMV does not hate Devki personally at all . He wants her intelligence , her capability to benefit Vaibhav Group . He wants her by HIS side so that together they can capture the international market . THAT is IMV's goal .

3] Manhar : Till the point Manhar left his house , IMV was angry with him as a brother , but indifferent to him on a serious level . Manhar took Baa away from him and accepted BB's charity ...but IMV did not immediately set out to get him kicked out of his job . He cud EASILY have done it , but he was not interested . He took Rupal away from him to give him the same sense of betrayal he felt . That was a personal fight . IMV had even become resigned , though angry , to the fact that Manhar lived in BB's flat and was now having his own set up . But IMV took his job away from him and put him in jail when Manhar played a very active role in taking the much dreamt contract away from Vaibhav Group . When he crossed Vaibhav Group ...IMV got nasty and ruthless .

4] Siddarth ...IMV stopped him from becoming an artist coz choosng that vocation wud mean having one pillar less for Vaibhav Group and he meant to hand the legacy of Vaibhav Group to his children after he was gone . I don't think IMV dislikes art as such He is indifferent to it if not a connosseuir. He flicked it aside when it threatened to take Sid away from Vaibhav group .

IMV personally hates only BB . Again , not coz he is mean and never really liked BB's face . He hates BB coz BB took Chandraprabha away from him and killed her by marrying her to that Dalichand . He holds BB responsible for her death .

So seeing this serial I have come to the conclusion that IMV , although egoistic , materialistic , does not HATE for HATE"s sake . He fights back ruthlessly only and only when he is CROSSED . Especially when his passion ...Vaibhav Group is crossed . Then he doesn't hesitate to use corrupt , manipulative , ruthless means even . Boundaries don't mean a thing to IMV . He crosses boundaries .

And so I find his villainy refreshing as it has shades of solid grey . While doing every villainous action , we see his thought process and I find it fascinating . He is singlemindedly passionate about Vaibhav Group and business is his only passion after ChandraPrabha . It keeps him alive .

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

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As far as Manhar going 2 the airport to inform Devki, it was shown melodramatically for impact...and I don't find anything wrong in Manhar informing D as all r concerned parties were informed.

Exactly my point , and I hope CVs read us and do put this in IMV's mouth when he questions ethics . In my opinion , the ethical thing wud have been to excuse himself from that commitee . I wud have done it even if there was one family member in the final list . Not giving her coz I wud be accused of favoritism wud be unfair to HER . And giving hER , however capable she may be , wud have reeked of favoritism . So I wud excuse myself from the commitee by explaining myself in writing . I dont find this running away from duty . I find this extremely ethical .

All the concerned parties were informed ...but how ? Via mail , right ? Thats government procedure for u . Were they informed personally by the 3 members in the commitee , did they go to their homes to inform them or run after them by tracing them if they r not available ? So Manhar shud send Devki the mail and sit back , waiting for her to appear before commitee on the appointed day His job as commitee member ENDS THERE .. If she doesn't , too bad , she missed it . I'm sure he wud NOT have run to airport for Ishvar or for any other member .

What does this mean ? Was he intending to break Ishvar's guroor all along ? It LOOKS like it .

And So I say ...He brought this one on himself .

Jyotsna being upset I agree . But She has been judgemental , along with Manhar , since a long time now .

Also , she is a Virani bahu like Charu . She shud NOT have vented with doors open . I dont say she shud not vent . Thats her emotional prerogative But in private .

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dolly

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: intruderfast
naa anupditto, the more the merrier😃i very much like ur posts even though there r clash of opinions @tiny, 🤗kaise ho, itne dino baad, main yahaan ka updater hoon aur tum mera update bhi nahin padti

thanx 4 welcum anmol!!😊😊 my laptop was at service center 4 repair so i cudn't visit forums regularly!! but now i"ll b regular & really this show is putting me off esply IMV & his tactics.

as i never found them 2 b learnt 2 bcum a successful businessman/woman!!! hes representing the D-grade business tactics!!🤢🤢

@koolsandhu i know ur viewpoint is v. difft from mine but reading sum of ur points i thought that u really don't find middle class ppl & values r gud enough!! sorry 4 misunderstanding!!

and i never saw any1 as white or black only but here neither of IMV's actions justify him being anti-hero!!anti-hero's defn shud b the hero like in our old 70s & 80s movies where he got injustices from all quarters of society & esply from villain & then he try 2 avenge it but never hurt innocent ppl & atleast he never left his moral values!!

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koolsadhu1000

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Thats NOT the definition of an anti hero tiny . What you are describing is a HERO . An ANTI HERO is the main protagonist who does negative things but due to reasons of his OWN ...not coz he is born a bad seed . Shahrukh in Darr was an Anti hero . In the seventies , Shatrughan Sinha brought this genre first in Hindi movies . There is a difference between an anti hero and a villain . An anti hero is neither a hero nor a villain . He is GREY . He does many bad things but in the end , SOMETHING changes him internally . In IMV's case , it will be Devki's innocence and her immense respect for him . Somewhere along the line , it will penetrate his heart . Not so soon , we have a long way to go .

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dolly

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
Tiny ...😊 .
My viewpoint is totally different than yours . I see this serial with my viewpoint .

i agree on this!!

I do not even want to get into an argument where I want to justify my viewpoint as correct and yours as wrong . I feel , to each his own . I totally respect yours even if we differ .

i m also of the view that ppl've difft POV but still theres dif, btn gud & bad!!

That said ...I wish to make some things clear coz I feel that u misunderstand my posts .

tiny , nowhere am I saying IMV is a great person or that he does 'PUNYA" . Infact everywhere I say that IMV is the bad guy . But if you really want my opinion ...IMV is neither the hero nor totally a villain . He is an anti hero . For the first time , an Indian serial has dared to show something new ...it has built its story around an aging anti hero . Without IMV , this serial falls . He does shocking deeds but he fascinates at the same time . WHY he does them ...as explained by HIM is the fascinating factor for me and I notice even to some others .

i agree it might b facinating but defntly doesn't've higher place than moral values!!

I have never said being middle class is BAD . I come from a middle class background myself and my father ran a house of seven entirely on one salary .I respect middle class values intensely . Infact I am PROUD of them . When I said 'thrust middle class values' on Rupal ...I mean making an issue of middle class values and forcing it down some one's throat and not allowing that person to dream anything different other than the normal dreams of a middle class person . It is rare that a middle class person decides to be an actor or a business man . Its not common . Most of them study , get jobs , take on responsibilities. I applaud that . But sometimes some rare one does dream differently . I applaud that too .

i'd already asked sorry 4 misunderstanding. may b u'd misunderstand manhar & jyotsna's intentions 2. atleast wat i see is they never try 2 thrust them down her throat but they try 2 make her see their point. but she refused & she wants 2 live comfortably & it was clear from her outburst wen manhar's family decided 2 go away!! and they never asked her not 2 dream of bcuming business woman as they also support devki but the way she has chosen is totally wrong.

i know 1 thing & its even authored by sum author that consequences of our actions is so wide & vast that we never know wat "ll happen is gud or not. so here only one's intentions matter which decide that that action wa sright or wrong!!

and i also appluad those prsns who achieve sumthing despite from middle class. though i've sum respect 4 Tatas or Ambanis 2 make it big esply Dhirubhai Ambani but still they r not my role model. they"ll b defntly from the ppl in jobs whether govt. or pvt.

I do not think being a muncipality school teacher is something faltoo or bad either . If someone wants to be that , very good . But there may be someone who does NOT want to be that . Even THAT is good .

then why rupal blasted sonal 4 letting them live in less comfortable place?if she didn't want 2 b teacher & wants 2 b business woman then its ok but she shudn't've left her family wen they needed her support.

Clearly I have mentioned that I think teaching is a noble profession . So is being a priest . These professions have , in my opinion a spiritual base . They are not ordinary at all .

i agree though i m myself can't teach any class as i find it difficult 2 make understand ur point 2 students though it may b of the lesson or chapter!!😆

I don't know from where u got the idea that I look down on middle class people, values and teachers ...I never said that . What I said was I don't look down on those aspring to be rich as something bad .

IMV's bad deeds do NOT justify Viraj's yellow journalism . Two wrongs do NOT make one right . Like Teaching , journalism too is a noble profession . I have been in journalism . What Viraj is doing is SLANDER . Thats the term . Before printing something u have to take the permission of the source . Without verifying with Devki or Sonal he printed it just like that ...That paper will be closed down if it is sued for millions of rupees for defamation by a business tycoon .

though i agree that two wrongs can never make one right but thats also true in case of IMV. and though he shudn't printed it widout devki or manhar's family's permission but in case of IMV i don't find it bad or wrong. as i believe in Lord Krishna's teachings that 2 stop the adharma from being victorious over dharma if sum1 has 2 employ wrong means then its right & worth the hundred Punyas!!

and bat sueing thats up2 show's director wat he"ll show abt the IMV's rxn!!😊😊

Viraj can indeed PRINT it , but with PROOF that can back him up .Otherwise Viraj is defaming not just IMV but destroying peace of full Virani house and can cause great loss to the OWNER of that newspaper . This is not right as Viraj is merely a chief reporter , not the owner or editor . THAT was my point , not that IMV is doing PUNYA .

yeah hes doing harm 2 his newspaper's owner & he hsud really b careful of IMV!!

I have ALREADY said that Rupal not learning business has been put on hold due to Devki track and that Rupal explained that she came back to learn how to make MONEY . CVS have currently decided to focus on Devki .

may b its on hold but wen they can show nirali opting 4 horse race betting carrer though in tit-bits then they cud'd shown rupal also getting sum tips from IMV but no shes always shown sitting lesiourly sipping tea or coffee or having food wid whole of family or playing wid sid's kid or chatting wid nirali!!

I do NOT see Rupal as mean and selfish AT ALL .

i don't agree on it as i find her quite a selfish gal!!

I do NOT see IMV as Count Dracula either .

i may agree that IMV isn't Count Dracula & i simply wrote in reply abt being sadhu!!

About Manhar's ethics . Like u , many from my family r government employees too . When one sits on a jury or an enquiry commitee or any important government commitee , he or she is expected to be ULTRA NEUTRAL . And if he or she faces a situation where that is compromised as he has to pass a judgement on family members , he can easily excuse himself by giving written statement to superiors , asking them to excuse him from that commitee as it puts him in a difficult and compromising position .Someone else can easily do that job . This is not running away from duty but infact is laudable from an ethical point of view . And since MASTER's ethics r thrashed around like nobody's business in this serial , i pointed this out .

i don't agree on this point as i'd seen so many ppl who r in govt jobs & wen sum of their relative or frnds appear 4 the interviews etc. they don't & can't excuse themselves. u can also show ur ethics by choosing the best among the ppl who came 4ward 4 interview etc.!!

and whereas manhar is concerned he didn't've 2 choose btn IMV & sim oder prsn but among 2 of his family members & he made it clear 2 IMV why committee'd chosen devki's proposal!!

I don't think this serial aims at showing anyone good or bad at all . It merely shows two different parallel tracks of thinking ... 2 different types of SOCH . Capitalism and materialism has its own thought process and so does idealism . It is this tussle that is fascinating to watch and We r merely commenting on it , thats all .

i think all 3 idealism, capitalism& materialism shud b in balance. i m not saying 4 having ideals u shudn't've capital but 4 money moral values & ethics shudn't b compromised!!

Lets agree to disagree on this one .😊

ok!!😊

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dolly

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

and i never saw any1 as white or black only but here neither of IMV's actions justify him being anti-hero!!anti-hero's defn shud b the hero like in our old 70s & 80s movies where he got injustices from all quarters of society & esply from villain & then he try 2 avenge it but never hurt innocent ppl & atleast he never left his moral values!!

Thats NOT the definition of an anti hero tiny . What you are describing is a HERO . An ANTI HERO is the main protagonist who does negative things but due to reasons of his OWN ...not coz he is born a bad seed . Shahrukh in Darr was an Anti hero . In the seventies , Shatrughan Sinha brought this genre first in Hindi movies . There is a difference between an anti hero and a villain . An anti hero is neither a hero nor a villain . He is GREY . He does many bad things but in the end , SOMETHING changes him internally . In IMV's case , it will be Devki's innocence and her immense respect for him . Somewhere along the line , it will penetrate his heart . Not so soon , we have a long way to go .

i don''t think shahrukh in darr is anti hero as he was a psychotic ckt. and may b shatrughan'd done sum anti hero.& though antihero is always the prsn whos not bad but circumstances lead 2 bcum theif or gangstar like old movies abt "chambal ke dakus" they were grey but still they never harmed any innocent & they got changed bcoz of sum +ve hapenings occur in their lives!!

i don't think IMv"ll ever b shown changed as his thinking was wrong from the childhood itself & only +ve thing was that he was shown 2 hav feeling of luv wen young but now i don't think he can go back as he had cum so far!!

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dolly

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: ssshhh

@ koolsadhu1000

A very well written post, but just a few disagreements.

True Manhar and Jyotsna hv been unfair with Rupal, but when Rupal came Jyotsna's frame of mind wasn't quite right and all the anger she was harbouring against IMV she spilled it out againt Rupal. Ttrue that does not excuse a mother's behaviour, but it's a very human reaction to have. (BTW they haven't shown Rupal working yet wid IMV and this shuld be rectified as tht was d reason shown for her returning to IMV's house).

The thought did cross my mind that how can Manhar be in the committee as his close relatives r the bidders? It's not only unethinical but also I think it must be against the rule as even when there r competitions, the fine print says tht participants cannot be relatives of ppl working for tht particular company. So d serial makers made a mistake there.

As far as Manhar going 2 the airport to inform Devki, it was shown melodramatically for impact...and I don't find anything wrong in Manhar informing D as all r concerned parties were informed.

@bold i agree as i myself'd written abt it!!

and whereas being manhar as committee's head or member wen his relatives r the bidders its not unusual as i m myself in govt. job & even i'd seen my relatives & seniors in such situations & its neither unethical nor illegal!! and it shows how unbiased u can b wen there r ur frnds or family members or known prsns or all 2gether cum in front of u by choosing the best among them considering their merit , intelligence & morality!!as u know in 2days world we strongly needed it esply in india!!

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Anmol Jain

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: tiny15
thanx 4 welcum anmol!!😊😊 my laptop was at service center 4 repair so i cudn't visit forums regularly!! but now i"ll b regular & really this show is putting me off esply IMV & his tactics.

as i never found them 2 b learnt 2 bcum a successful businessman/woman!!! hes representing the D-grade business tactics!!🤢🤢

@koolsandhu i know ur viewpoint is v. difft from mine but reading sum of ur points i thought that u really don't find middle class ppl & values r gud enough!! sorry 4 misunderstanding!!

and i never saw any1 as white or black only but here neither of IMV's actions justify him being anti-hero!!anti-hero's defn shud b the hero like in our old 70s & 80s movies where he got injustices from all quarters of society & esply from villain & then he try 2 avenge it but never hurt innocent ppl & atleast he never left his moral values!!

good to know u will be regular , always look forward to ur posts😆

dolly the latest tactic of putting d in jail, that was very bad even i was pissed with him

i can somewhat understand his anger on manhar but d , no. what did she do to deserve all this

the irony is d trusts him too much , what will happen to her when she comes to know that imv is behind all this

but show is going gr8😊, imv is very good as villian and the fights between imv and d r really good

also there seems to be a gr8 understanding going between v and d😊

Edited by intruderfast - 14 years ago

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

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but dera it seems like this only!! whoever read it'll think it as justification as even my sis & mom who also watch it they also never find IMV as anti-hero as koolsandhu'd wrote & not even oder ppl who r watching it!!
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My dear I give up . Anti Hero is a genre ...a specific SLOT created in literature ! Harkisan Mehta is a literateur ...His main protagonist .IMV ...is NOT a hero , but an aging Anti hero . Its not what koolsadhu thinks ...its a FACT ! These genres r already made by novelists much before I was BORN !😃 Also , the script writers do NOT intend to make IMV likable at all !

How do u know whether other people are empathising with him or not ? I can see in this thread itself quite a bunch who DO understand his POV and are pretty irritated with the self righteous moralists ! So definetely there may be a considerable amount outside too who can do the same ...people who know exactly how the corporate world operates ...how ruthlessly and how swiftly ! They will NEVER accept the lalala music and the fact that an established group was sidelined for a an almost bankrupt novice ! However good her speech maybe , Devki will NEVER land a contract like this simply for a speech !

Corruption is everwhere but the corporate world stands firmly on it in India ! Its an inevitable part of that world ! What getting rich thru good means are u talking about ...Where does that happen in the business world ? At a certain point , when u become THIS big , ur forced to turn ur face the other way inspite of seeing many unethical things ! If u don't grab the opprtunity , the other business shark will ! And tremendous money is involved ...millions an billions , not thousands or lakhs even ! U think businessmen sit back and act 'good' and allow others to grab that kind of money ?

Dhirubhai Ambani on whom this serial was based was pulled up for unethical business practices but today Reliance makes India proud in the international scene ! Dhirubhai's war with Ramnath Goenka ...founder of Indian Express group is legendary ! The charges were dropped as nothing cud be proved but that did not disprove that he perhaps did use unethical means for promoting Reliance !

Why is the corporate world doing this tolerated ? Coz They generate jobs ...thousands of them , they give rise to employment !

A person can become rich by becoming a great neurosurgeon for example ...he doesn't have to resort to cutthroat competition there . His skill brings in the money .

But its NOT that simple if he is a businessman ! In business , if u want urs to flourish , u MUST make it better than ur competitor's ! And when billions of dollars or rupees r involved , all the competitors start stepping on each other !

This Devki won't last for ONE day in real life with all that innocence ! Neither will Motilal Master's Adarshes ! He shud do what he does best ...employ it in teaching profession ! Not in a ruthless profession in which survival is the only instinct !

Phew ! Don't mind , but these r my views , I don't believe in imaginary idealism . If one puts on the TV , one sees the SCAMS going on and how politicians and the corporate world operate .

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