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@ladybird9

I'm just trying 2 summarise ur Pov. According 2 u Devki sin't intelligent, exploiting IMV nd VV, Shez ruthless and merciless and only pretending to be nice and she should not stand up as a competitor against IMV nd VV and that she's betraying them and she has a hidden agenda that the serial hasn't revealed yet. Do correct me if I'm wrong!

But my grievance against Devki is just the opposite. I think they hv shown her too goody goody nd it wuld be better if they she is ruthless in biz. I seriously doubt if the CVs want to portray her as u seem to do…but it wuld be gr8 if they do that!

About her not being intelligent enough, it's true I too don't see the intelligence that was bragged abt in the beginning of MB nd hope they show some smart nd intelligent moves and counter-moves between Devki and IMV, instead of silly moves lyk sending D off on a honeymoon so that IMV has the field all to himself!

Abt her not getting her father treated for his alchoholism, she came to know abt her father's existence only recently and it would be shocking for any child to come across such a father…They did show D trying to help her father out and I think later on this track will be developed! BTW being an MBA frm an Ivy League foreign institute does not necessarily make one equipped with dealing with an alcoholic father… I know ur point is that she should be aware that there r places especially there for these kinds of treatment…but this being a daily soap and not real life, the CVs have to keep in mind the emotional pull such scenes have on audiences. I mean they couldn't hv shown D meeting her father for the 1^st time nd instantly realizing that he is suffering frm alcoholism and got him admitted to an AA place. See no emotional pull there…no garnering of sympathy for d main lead.

She had also siad frm the beginning that she wuld work for BB, so I don't see anything wrong in her being a competitor against IMV… she had not deliberately set out to challenge him nd as @intrudefast pointed out, if some1 tells her that she is jeopardizing IMV's business and she should step back then she would do that, though I wouldn't like it. If IMV is being ruthless in dealing with D, it is being said that it's part of being a businessman, but if D stands against IMV as a business rival then it's perceived as a betrayal of her being IMV's DIL.

Also her marrying VV for BB…that's ok, as VV knows y she married him. She didn't gain anything monetarily by marrying V. Again yes she could hv accepted IMV's offer and joined V grp…that would hv been a smart decision and in real life that would probably be what sum1 in D's place would hv done. But again this is a soap. Also I don't see anything wrong in D trying to establish herself independent of the Viranis…that does not necessarily put IMV's business in danger as it was suggested by IMV…that was just his tactic to discourage D frm getting finance!

BTW I am too lazy to write long post nd this too I hv written in breaks…but just wanted to refute d charges u levied against D.!

Her aim doesn't stop at being a good businesswoman. She also wants to be regarded
as a good wife and bahu without being one. and that's what so unacceptable.

BB wanted his SIL (not his daughter) according to an episode to run his business.
His SIL wasn't capable is another matter. So I don't think he is the kind of man who would
avoid water from daughter's house. If he was ok for his SIL to run his business why can't he take help from
or merge with or get acquired by VV. The problem is his SIL was no one and hence his identity
would have remained intact by taking his SIL's help. But VV is such a big name that his help would sabotage
his identity.

About avoiding water from daughter's house, one needs to know where this tradition comes from.
What's the source and the idea and concept behind this? In the olden days women were provided for
and were not providers. Being provided by sister, wife or daughter was considered a shame and a disgrace.
Since being provided daughter's in laws was considered akin to being provided by daughter, it was also a taboo.
And hence people who would not have water at daughter's in laws' place will also take help from their daughters.
But people who considers their daughter to be no different from son and have no hesitance in taking help from
their daughter, also shouldn't have problem in taking her in laws help. Unless there's an ego problem. So the
problem is ego and of identity and not ethical in taking VV's help. D can help BB by joining VGE and then acquiring
BBE too but then the individual identity of her own and of BBE would be lost. That's the only problem.

IMV gifted D a car saying if you go to business meetings in car it would help as impression would be good.
They offered him money but she told she would rather look for investers and achieve success on her own.
VV offered to step out from bid for aviation tender and she told him not to. She wanted to be a big name in
business world on her capabilities, through her own efforts and talent not through favors done by her husband
or in laws. She wants to a carve her own niche, have an identity of his own which won't happen if she succeeds
with her husband or in laws favor and help. Her identity would be sabotaged which is so unacceptable to her.

I see a reverse sexism now a days. If a man doesn't want his wife's help and feels bad to live under his wife's
identity, under his wife's shadow, they call him Male Chauvnist Pig. If a woman refuse to take her husband's
help or refuse to live under his husband's identity she is called an Independent Woman of Substance.

@Shivani...no she won't turn out to be evil I guess. I was just thinking aloud as that would have had some
real shocking value

Perhaps D does plan to join IMV's business once she pulls BBE out of bankruptcy if I remember an episode right. But there's still a problem.

Originally posted by: anupditto

Perhaps D does plan to join IMV's business once she pulls BBE out of bankruptcy if I remember an episode right. But there's still a problem.

Business of VVE and BBE would cross roads in future for sure, competitng with one another for the same project or client or investor or customer. She would be working for VVE at that time. So what are her plans for then? Or she doesn't believe in planning for future? Would she switch the company and again work for BBE or would she work for VVE but make BBE win or would she now defeat BBE? The only way out of the conflict would be merger with or acquisition of BBE then. So if that's what's to be done ultimately, why not do it today and now? What nonsense?

@ssshhh

tqs for ur querry...my pov again in nutshell Devki shah Virani has hidden intentions, shez no way gr8 and she does not follows only good rules of business, shez selfish, mismanages personal and professional lives and truly exploiting IMV/VV now and will also do the same in future and she will b negligent to her family just the way shez negligent 2 her dad..shez no good bahu..not a good wife
shez by no means fair ...IMV N Devki r equally unfair... i think the lovey dovey scene of yestarday has a gr8ter significance as already elaborated in depth just abv ur post

i am sorry i have exhausted my patience i have been writing like as though in a marahon as u can in the posts here and also else where😳 so..apologiess i havent read ur pov but will certainly do when at leisure and give my pov on ur pov😳😆 btw i am still pending 2 write in a post where i said 2 b continued..so kindly tk no offence if i fail 2 write again..tqs😊

@Anu tqs for the clarification...but then i wish to think..who knows what twist futre may hold.nothing can stop her from bcoming evil, if shez so fascinated in/for her own success tht fails 2 recognise at this current stage when shez still a novice yaa none..tht shez misusing and exploiting her husband whoz actually better placed and much more busier in the currrent day reality...just by tht simple car/taxi incident saving her money yaa whozever money on taxiz but the whole shez point risking VV business ventures...

Another interesting thing. When VV explained D that how it would bring bad name to VVE if she looks out for investers outside, she came up with an interesting answer.

Originally posted by: ssshhh

@ladybird9

I'm just trying 2 summarise ur Pov. According 2 u Devki sin't intelligent, exploiting IMV nd VV, Shez ruthless and merciless and only pretending to be nice and she should not stand up as a competitor against IMV nd VV and that she's betraying them and she has a hidden agenda that the serial hasn't revealed yet. Do correct me if I'm wrong!

But my grievance against Devki is just the opposite. I think they hv shown her too goody goody nd it wuld be better if they she is ruthless in biz. I seriously doubt if the CVs want to portray her as u seem to do'but it wuld be gr8 if they do that!

About her not being intelligent enough, it's true I too don't see the intelligence that was bragged abt in the beginning of MB nd hope they show some smart nd intelligent moves and counter-moves between Devki and IMV, instead of silly moves lyk sending D off on a honeymoon so that IMV has the field all to himself!

Abt her not getting her father treated for his alchoholism, she came to know abt her father's existence only recently and it would be shocking for any child to come across such a father'They did show D trying to help her father out and I think later on this track will be developed! BTW being an MBA frm an Ivy League foreign institute does not necessarily make one equipped with dealing with an alcoholic father' I know ur point is that she should be aware that there r places especially there for these kinds of treatment'but this being a daily soap and not real life, the CVs have to keep in mind the emotional pull such scenes have on audiences. I mean they couldn't hv shown D meeting her father for the 1^st time nd instantly realizing that he is suffering frm alcoholism and got him admitted to an AA place. See no emotional pull there'no garnering of sympathy for d main lead.

She had also siad frm the beginning that she wuld work for BB, so I don't see anything wrong in her being a competitor against IMV' she had not deliberately set out to challenge him nd as @intrudefast pointed out, if some1 tells her that she is jeopardizing IMV's business and she should step back then she would do that, though I wouldn't like it. If IMV is being ruthless in dealing with D, it is being said that it's part of being a businessman, but if D stands against IMV as a business rival then it's perceived as a betrayal of her being IMV's DIL.

Also her marrying VV for BB'that's ok, as VV knows y she married him. She didn't gain anything monetarily by marrying V. Again yes she could hv accepted IMV's offer and joined V grp'that would hv been a smart decision and in real life that would probably be what sum1 in D's place would hv done. But again this is a soap. Also I don't see anything wrong in D trying to establish herself independent of the Viranis'that does not necessarily put IMV's business in danger as it was suggested by IMV'that was just his tactic to discourage D frm getting finance!

BTW I am too lazy to write long post nd this too I hv written in breaks'but just wanted to refute d charges u levied against D.!

hey thank u shhh 👏may i know ur name , u r abasolutely right yahaan pe usse ruthless and merciless keh rahe hain and really i would not mind agar woh thodi si ho jaaye, they r showing some extra goodness , ah well i understand ek lead lo poora accha banana chahte hain i totallu agree with u on word to word , thank u for refutting charges against d, mera time bach gayaa and i would never have been so good😊

'She had also siad frm the beginning that she wuld work for BB, so I don't see anything wrong in her being a competitor against IMV' she had not deliberately set out to challenge him'
Correct, nothing wrong in competitng against IMV & VV especially if she declared this beforehand and was accepted by IMV. Wrong is to still claim to be the good bahu, wanting to be regarded as a very good bahu.

'If IMV is being ruthless in dealing with D, it is being said that it's part of being a businessman,
but if D stands against IMV as a business rival then it's perceived as a betrayal of her being IMV's DIL.'
That's exactly is the problem. People call him 'a good businessman but a bad DIL' while they call Devki 'such a good businesswoman and still such a nice bahu also, wow, what a perfect woman'.

It's alright to give more priority to your success than your husband's and DIL's success especially if it was declared and acceted upon well in advance. But that very moment you also loose the right to be regarded as an ideal bahu. Saying that I am a very good bahu (not to say she is a rank bad bahu, she is sure not malicious but by no means as selfless they tout her to be, she is not as good a bahu either as she claims herself to be) is what's not acceptable.

'Don't we have situations in real life too where 2 brother's r bidding for the same project? Then y can't D do whatevr needs 2 be done 4 her company, instaed of always thinking wat adverse affect it will hv on IMV's biz? Also again in real life we hv seen brothers belonging to different business grps hv an understanding of not bidding for the same project? So i suppose tht IMV nd D too can hv a sort of understanding, if IMV so desires!'.
Perfect! And that's why such brothers generally have contracts with 'non competitng' clause in it. And that's what
VV offered to D that he would step out or else she should step out. She agreed on none.

Originally posted by: anupditto

Another interesting thing. When VV explained D that how it would bring bad name to VVE if she looks out for investers outside, she came up with an interesting answer.

VV told her that people are asking questions like if VVE is sort of money, is there an internal conflict, is VVE afraid of D's potential etc to which says 'Jis par keechar uchhala jata hai uske kapde se jayda keechar uchhalne waale k haath gande hote hain'. People keep talking and we shouldn't take our decision based on that. When we know what the truth is then why should we bother about what lie and falsehood others are speaking and propogating.

Right answer for life in general but a complete anti-thesis of business rules. After a stage when you enter the big league of business, every one is equally good in offerings and delivery in terms of quality, service, price, on time etc. What differentiates them is the reputation and what can harm them the most is ill reputation. You are only as good as the perception of others about you, as the stakeholders (customers, employees, clients, partners, investors all) perceive you to be.

But D still keeps giving fodder to rumor mill. This time she has done that by not pulling herself out of bid for aviation nor letting VV do so. She doesn't understand how bad an impact it would have on VVE now, even if he VV wins the bid from her, when the news go would go out that VV's wife, instead of helping him win the bid, is fighting and competing against him and trying to win the bid herself, trying to snatch the deal from him.

And what could be more damaging if VV looses the bid to D. The giant getting defeated by a minnow; would be a humiliation for VV, a severe blow to VV's reputation and hence his business.

It's another matter that the new VV won't feel humiliated by defeat but would rather rejoice D's victory over him (forgetting it's also a victory over his father), the selfless and completely egoless achha bachcha and Devki Bhakt that he has become now a days. He would instead get further impressed by D that she is so good that he lost to her, so much impressed that he might even fall in love with her and then rejoice that he lost to her.

which really everyone would love 2 watch😆well i agree she is devki is treading a dangerous path , the most sensible option would have been to back out herself, and yes the impact outside would be very bad , nt then tabhi toh mazaa aayega dekhne main thodi tension to chahiye show mein boss😆😆