Why is it always the ph at fault? [note pg.15] - Page 12

Originally posted by: -Ravjot-

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Originally posted by: sonali.19281

Interesting post..and surely looks is quite popular too 😆 ok my take on it is quite simple..also coz I hardly understand the ways of the media and entertainment industry..just try to rationalize by drawing parallels to my world...

why are actors loved almost blindly...well coz they are the face of a show..or a character that we come to love..very rarely we tend to stop and dwell on the thoughts of the creator..the director script writer.. etc.. coz most of us believe in face value..in chalta lang.. jo dikhta hain wo bikta hain..

this is the cause for the following effects...pe rse..Media reporting about actors.. coz who cares to know about the men behind the camera...how many of us would care to read about a Raju hirani or prakash jha..when we have Amir or Ranbir endorsing the product..obviously Media publishes wat could create sensation..and the product benefits from it..in today's age Any publicity is good publicity.. so while the producer may not have consciously contributed to every trivia..they dont mind it as it keeps their product in the news..

coming to the more pertinent issue at hand that is bothering a lot of people.. how does one react when the PH..decides to let go of popular actors..obviously even they are not naive enough to not expect public furor.. but the question they ask is it worth the gamble.. again whether there are more reasons to these decision than just a creative gamble..I would never know..so I let it be..coz to me every story has several perspectives..

but I do believe that those in charge of making tough decisions.. have to be made of steel..to endure the worst..to draw a parallel..2 of my co-workers were let go in my work place in the last 6 month..One of them on grounds of incompatibility to the work culture.. and thereby resulting in incompetence..and repercussions on working environment.. this was a bold decision from the bosses end..as it did result in raised eye brows and mud slinging.. esp from the other dept heads..well were we surprised...not really...coz we could see where he was coming from..although we were amazed at his boldness.. and it was also an example set for the people who worked.. that some things are non-negotiable..at the end of the day I could sit around and question the caliber of the employer..etc..but thats not my place.. esp for the entertainment industry..as I repeat I have faintly less understanding of the ways behind the curtain..

in the current scenario wrt MJHT.. If its a creative gamble..then the makers will try to get back what or who works..coz Money is what matters at the end.. as they are not only accountable for their own..but for those they employ.. and if there is more to this than just gamble..then the PH may not budge easily..also the actor may not be interested..coz at the end of the day no one wants to work in an envt where healthy relationships don't exist.. and in spite of that..if the actor does come back..I would think its a 2 way compromise both from the actor's and the employer's end

Originally posted by: DMGFan-2b-not2b

It's a symbiotic relationship... both need and use each other, neither can exist without the other despite fans believing to the contrary. Yes, it's the audience who makes or breaks the show in terms of liking or disliking the show but there are many viewers offering different suggestions and while not all will be bizarre, most will not do much for the story line..

As it is I think long running serial suffer from creative fatigue, so when fans start to offer advice and creatives start listening, they fill the fatigue vacuum in the creative process with popular appeasement.... that's when the show suffers and ultimately so do the viewers!

I totally agree with you... It's not only the actor who makes the show. And it is a symbiotic relationship. If the PH gets TRPs due to a character they framed, the actor too gets popularity. And that's also a reason why the same actor isn't as successful in another show. Some characters are more appreciated than the character the same actor played in some other show.

And yes, no matter what a PH does, every show reaches a saturation point in terms of creativity. After that, TRPs never rise to the original levels, no matter whether the "popular" actors are brought back. Since someone here mentioned DMG as an example, I'd like to say that even after Shilpa has been brought back, there has been hardly any rise in TRPs. Even when KSG was brought back, the phase before his comeback had greater TRPs than after his comeback.

And MJHT has been suffering from the low TRP syndrome since a long time. The actors themselves admitted, that before Season 2, the TRP actually fell to 0.1-0.2... Season 2 is not the contributory to that.

^^aa123.80

well yes defo dmg havent been naice...bt let me tell u ......it hs increased coz f cum bck f ksg n shilpa...it ha defo increased.....the show hd reached a level......whr it ws about 2 shut down......bt dey cald DEIR POPULAR ACTORS n saved it....n about its trps still down....well dese PH N CVZ DEMSELVES R REASON 4 IT......defo dey hv gained majority f SIDMA FANS..........bt in da process dey hv lost TRIPLE MAJORITY...AR FANS......so obs wud d trps b high....

n as far as mjht trps r concerned...agn here itz ph n cvz fault.....it ws low...n v all knw y it ws low......whose tracks wer goin on past 5 months.....so obsviously if ppl fav r nt gvn screenspace n tracks n nt e1 consired in the serial y wud dey watch it.....as a result mjht hd low trps....unlike early days whr cvz gave Mayur track n screenspace.....

n i dun understand y all sajan fans all f sudden supportin MJHT PH n CVZ .......

earlier wen der favs monaya wer thrown oud f ZND....mind it dey hd reason n monaya do admitted it (lack f hosting capability)......i saw many sajan/monaya fans mockin PH n the replaced Host.....n sayin such bad things...passin comments...n e1 mockin the jUJGES
........

bt ere MJht Ph n Cvz dun hv strong reason 2 remove rati.....throwwing tantrums...yeahh...???....n point 2 b noted is..ph house givin diff reasons evrywhr....at 1 plc dey say v want twist n oder throwin tanrtrums.........

so watevr dey tuk deir decision nviewer tuk deirs......n the result v r seeing itself....in tjhe form oF TRPS....

😲 😲 ok 😆

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hahahahh.....how is it...u find only marriage track as low trp track for MAYUR...

well i do agree i ws low trp track 4 mayur........bt it THE ONLY track 4 mayur wich gathered low trp.........rest all...hd THE highest...... n as far as sajan r concerned.....der wer many who gathered low..........proof da current 1 goin.......also past 5 months...wich compelled MJHT PH 2 start s2.....

u only hv 1 1track 2 b mentioned for mayur....lol....

well lk i said DMG PH n CVZ demselves destroyed deir serial....by bringin in 3 diff riddhimas....n finally destroyin AR as a couple....thou me myself i lk SIDMA.....bt still 2 c the story dey carried 4 2 yrs....getn destroyed it hurts.....so obs...y wud audience connect wid diff riddhima n armaan.....since shilpa bein 1st riddhima n viewers getn connected wid her dey continue 2 watch......n hence deir trps r balanced........atleast better den mjht...lol.....

well m nt makin it MN vs Sg bt it ws u ppl who made it.....indirectly supportin MJHT PH n CVZ n pinpointin 2wards MAYUR......

Wish u wud hv supported in da same way ZND PH.....wen ur favz wer thrown out.....

ciao....m done....n hence 4wrd plz dun quote....
io dunno wanna argue wid ppl who demselves do wrong things.....n den preach oders....

hv funn....quotin....lol


neways

Originally posted by: DMGFan-2b-not2b

I must say that stars have a charmed life! No matter what they do, their fans will never believe that he / she could be capable of any wrong doing or misdemeanour or even bad behaviour. They are clearly angels of God incapable of any malice! Otherwise what would explain the fact that it's always the production house who gets blamed when an actor is dropped? Be it a Rati or Shilpa or KSG?

Sure the decision to drop an actor may be a production house's but which idiot kills their own golden goose unless pushed into a corner? Esp a production house that has so much at stake with a very popular actor? Yeah, I am sure there must be times when the production house is being unreasonable but, statistically, there are far greater instances where a star is unreasonable and throws tantrums.

Yet it's convenient to blame the production house and wear blinkers when it comes to stars? We are willing to give a star any number of chances and willing to forgive anything they do but not the production house.

We forget that it's an equal partnership and responsibility for both the star and the production house. While the actor breathes life into a character, if the production house does not produce the serial, you don't get to see the star period!

Disclaimer: this is a general post and not a takeoff on any particular actor!

@topic maker - interesting post ... and since the discussion has actually been sensible (in parts), I would like to add my two penny's worth ...
I agree with you on most of your points ... fans will ALWAYS blame the PH and not the actor ... because the actor is the public face, the one they see ... no viewers build an emotional connection with the dialogue writers, the story or screenplay writers etc ... cos they don't see them ... simple. And it's far easier and natural to build a relationship with the faces you see - be it love or hate - rather than those behind the scenes who actually create those characters ... though also it should be agreed that the actors bring their own contribution to those characters, so it's very much a partnership ... so when viewers love an actor, everything good about the actor is the actor's contribution, everything bad is someone else's fault ... and vice versa when they hate an actor as well ...

Also, I very much agree that no PH will drop an actor, especially a popular one, unless they have to, for whatever reasons, or unless the actor themselves want to leave ...or a combination of both ... in which case, usually the PH will build an exit storyline and part ways ... in most cases amicably ... cases in point, Sukirti in DMG, Adhani in MJHT, am sure there are many more ...

What I do have a problem with is the PH or their media reps issuing statements badmouthing actors ... again, as happened with Monaya in the ZND case, and now in the present case ... I don't understand why they can't be professional about the parting and just say that due to mutual understadnding, so-and-so is leaving ... but my own surmise (nor based on any facts or statistics, but only on logical tthinking) ... is that this kind of thing happens with only the most popular actors, BECAUSE of their popularity ... the PH knows there will be a backlash so they try to justify themselves ...
And the actors are all smart enough to not reply back, definitely not to badmouth any PH ... because all are potential employers ... once an actor gets a bad reputation, or bad mouths one PH, he/she will find it tought o get another job ... it's simple logic again ... cos the PHs are in the driving seat for this one ... regardless of what we fans feel or want to believe.

And here is where I feel fans actually become a liability to the actors ... by our demands and complaints ... and in some instances downright abuse, we compel the PH's to issue these statements ... they're human as well and no one likes the kind of abuse that is dished out on occasion ...

I remember reading a few months ago, an article from some more senior TV stars, moaning about the fact that all Ph's these days prefer to cast fresh new faces rather than older, established well-known stars, because they are more expensive and come with some baggage ... and when a PH is churning out daily soaps, they can't afford any luxuries in the form of lost time ... and new fresh actors will work their guts off, while the older ones might not ... regardless of how good or bad the talent is.

As I said earlier, I would still like to appreciate the work of PH to make a successful show for 1.5 yrs
From January onwards the TRps were spirally down.. the ideal thing would have been for the PH to shutdown the show by giving a good end.

But I think they decided to have a last ditch attempt to save the show.. I think they are quite prepared to close the show incase it is axed..
Else they would not have killed Nupur's character..knowing her fan following.

PH believe that they can make stars out of newcomers which they have anyways done successfully many times..
New comers are hard working and will not speak up their minds... so it works to PH's advantage since finally they are the driving authorities
believe it or not...as much as the actors get popularity, they know that finally the PH decides their fate

what happened in MJHt behind the scenes I don't know..since we don't know either rati or the PH people personally
I am sure we will never know the truth.. Here we are all criticizing endemol and sunshine productions and tomorrow rati might work on a new show with them.
In this industry no friendship or misunderstandings are permanent..so I think we should stop digging too deep into this..

I think if we look around us such things keep happening... bosses never like anybody interfering their work...human nature cannot change when U are in authority
They might tolerate sometimes but beyond a limit most people do not like it.. so what happened in this case is not a odd reaction from PH people
I am not saying they are right..but just sayng it is human nature.

Most people are still studying on this forum..so they have such strong reactions...once you start working you will see things much more clearer..
In my last 2 yrs of working I have seen so many different people that now it has changed my mindset..
Companies do let go off people when they think somebody is becoming too big for their shoes...I think they know nobody is irreplaceable..
and with time they can always build resources..
Similarly PH also believe that maybe MJHT closes tomorrow they can make a new show and maybe make new stars...like MJHT gave a gr8 launch pad to Mohit

Beleive me I am not against Rati's comeback or writing this since I am an SG fan... I only wrote what I believe and it would have been same incase one of SG would have
been left out of the show.

Originally posted by: swati_mjht

As I said earlier, I would still like to appreciate the work of PH to make a successful show for 1.5 yrs
From January onwards the TRps were spirally down.. the ideal thing would have been for the PH to shutdown the show by giving a good end.

But I think they decided to have a last ditch attempt to save the show.. I think they are quite prepared to close the show incase it is axed..
Else they would not have killed Nupur's character..knowing her fan following.

PH believe that they can make stars out of newcomers which they have anyways done successfully many times..
New comers are hard working and will not speak up their minds... so it works to PH's advantage since finally they are the driving authorities
believe it or not...as much as the actors get popularity, they know that finally the PH decides their fate

what happened in MJHt behind the scenes I don't know..since we don't know either rati or the PH people personally
I am sure we will never know the truth.. Here we are all criticizing endemol and sunshine productions and tomorrow rati might work on a new show with them.
In this industry no friendship or misunderstandings are permanent..so I think we should stop digging too deep into this..

I think if we look around us such things keep happening... bosses never like anybody interfering their work...human nature cannot change when U are in authority
They might tolerate sometimes but beyond a limit most people do not like it.. so what happened in this case is not a odd reaction from PH people
I am not saying they are right..but just sayng it is human nature.

Most people are still studying on this forum..so they have such strong reactions...once you start working you will see things much more clearer..
In my last 2 yrs of working I have seen so many different people that now it has changed my mindset..
Companies do let go off people when they think somebody is becoming too big for their shoes...I think they know nobody is irreplaceable..
and with time they can always build resources..
Similarly PH also believe that maybe MJHT closes tomorrow they can make a new show and maybe make new stars...like MJHT gave a gr8 launch pad to Mohit

Beleive me I am not against Rati's comeback or writing this since I am an SG fan... I only wrote what I believe and it would have been same incase one of SG would have
been left out of the show.

i lkd ur post.....it makes sense a lot sense.....

bt c da only y many f us...(READ MAYUR FANS) r agnst dis particular production house is coz dey r unnecessarily defaming RATI.......

in 1 invt dey r saying....viewers wanted twist n datz y v decicded 2 kill rati....n in oder dey r sayin she ws on dictating terms......first decide wat u want 2 reason out 2 ppl n den gv interview......

nxt....k...once said n done...rati ws throwin tantrums( thou i dun beleive it..)...bt k.....so nw shez out....den y da hell r dey continuesly....defaming her agn n agn......shez out f the show...5in forget it.....concentrate on ur serial...move ahead...bt knw...dey r doin dis juzz 2 promote deir non happenin serial.......n make viewers realize dat dey made rght decision...huhh.....

n moreova...der serial worked 1 .5 yrs coz it ws loved by viewers n so 2 improve it viewers wer given deir suggestions.....v MAYUR FANS hd sent dem so lot suggestions......bt dese ppl nvr paid importance 2 dose.....1000..n many more wer given bt dey nvr considered it.......v wantd mayur career track....dey did gv it.....bt did u notice how muych screenspace ws given 2 dem durin dat tym.........n more 2 dat....dey ended it abruptly.....

dese particular PH......have clearly shown bias....2wards da couple...n 2 fans...
jab couple ko hi importance nahin diya....toh fans ko kyaa khaaaak denge.......

i din wantd 2 brg sajan in dis matter.....bt its fact dey hv showed biasness.......

if dey hd little paid attention 2 what viewers want....n wanna c.....m sure dey wud hv rocked....coz mjht hd dat potential 2 reach sky.....as literally SKY...nt lk itz trps nw....lol.....

frankly speakin....dis is d 1st PH i hv ever seen.....who cares less....as in LESS 4 DEIR FANS.....o more importantly....show BIASNESSS.....

neways dey can create new superstars 2mr....dey will....bt i think dey shud learn a lesson 4m dis. whole incident........