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AreYaar

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Posted: 16 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: Ipshitaa
I wholeheartedly agree Anu! Me too liked the way Shashank and Riddhima's relationship was concieved during the start of DMG...but then it faded away...I so waited for a relationship of armaan with his father...given his vulnerability but it wasn't shown either.Same was the case with Mayu's mom'she just seems to be reduced to the tang kheechayi sessions.Why are they just used for some introductory episodes to get a glimpse of the background of these characters?I know...there seems to be no parent aspect explored in their romantic relationships in any way. Looks as if these people are on their own.Their concerns and decisions in life are solely romance based and lack other aspects of life while their parents have no say in any of these things...or if they do have they are saved for other nautankis (Armaan's father). Exactly yaar......the parents all seem to exist in some weird alternate space from where they are plucked randomly in order to do random buffoonery along with their children and then they disappear conveniently again😕😕😆.....Back when I was naive enough to actually EXPECT something from DMG *shudders* LOL....I used to have sooooo much hope for Armaan's relationship with his parents since they dropped 2-3 hints of a troubled relationship....same as they do now with Samrat in this show...but we all saw what ultimately came to be shown with Armaan😕😆😆

lol...talk about Remix...well.. when I read the title of ur post I only got reminded of Remix....I so adore the way they have intervowen parent-child relationships whether its for Ashi-Sonia,Tia-Sumeet or Yuvi-YD and his mom or other ppl and how their reactions to a particular situation are affected by their parents.Also how the child's actions bear resemblance to their parents' actions and their overall upbringing like in Varun or Pri's case since they are full of insecurities.Its so beautiful to watch all these relationships.That way its an interesting watch to see the characters falling in love, how they overcome the problems related to their romantic lives whether it's the initial opening up to ur partner, or the basis of their falling in love with the person in the first place. It explains a lot of things about the character n also aids in character growth over time and on top of that it does add more spice to the happennings. Exactly! You've described it perfectly! That's exactly why I enjoy it so much too!

I wonder whether is it so tough to show parent contribution in these so called romantic shows? Actually, exploring these other aspects would serve as a good fodder for the creatives also since they won't have to "create" some other random sequences just to get the story forward. LOL it sure would....but as I am quite convinced now....even THAT much effort would be too much for their 'creative' minds😆....so they stick to buffoonery instead😆

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nehlove

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Posted: 16 years ago

#32

Excellent post Anu.... I haven't watched Remix and stopped watching DMG long back so I won't comment specifically on those bits..

Originally posted by: nureat01

And finally we come to the ONLY parent figure in this show....Mayank's Mom....the one exception it seems so far....I generally figured she's like Shashank from DMG in that she makes an appearance once every 3-4 weeks....does her usual random goofing around/baalon ko mat chhuo/teasing scene with Mayank and then disappears again😆😆....point is....barring maybe one or two scenes, WHEN has there ever been much depth shown to the relationship that M and his Mom share???

Exactly my question... We have been yelling out to the creatives about M talking about his dad with someone. I would love to see a scene where Nupur is telling Mayank about her dad and he gets emotional cuz he misses his own dad. It would be great to see Mayank and Mom talk about it later....

One more thing... I went to a university with a lot of international students and every time their parents would be in town I planned a dinner with my family and theirs.. parents and all. I would love to see a family (parents) dinner like that..

Originally posted by: nureat01

Why do these shows try to portray that parents have no importance in the lives of their children once they take off for college or start working?? Is that really the truth of our culture today?? I don't think so.

Why is it that in the 'youth shows' that are currently on air on this channel, there is no life beyond the frivoloties in college or 'falling in love'?? Those things are a part of life, yes...but they aren't the ONLY thing that would matter in ppl's lives, are they?? Log aasmaan se toh nahin tapke hain...EVERY one has some sort of parent figure in their lives....atleast in this show they do.....then WHY are they NEVER shown to have a purpose?? There is such a thing as light-hearted entertainment....and then there is the brainless variety of that with no thought of any sort put into building a cohesive storyline....and the 'youth shows' on Star One today are the epitome of the latter👎🏼

I can understand why children are not shown with parents once they take off to college and live at the dorms or something. But in this show, its not like they are in a completely different town. Most of them live in their parents' homes. If I tell my parents, I will come home at a particular time and I am not home with half hour after that my parents start calling to see where I am and how much longer it will be. Samrat is in the jail and his parents don't even seem to care or actually no one has bothered to tell them yet. Shouldn't Samrat's parents be the one hiring a lawyer for Sammy instead of MAyank and his MOM..

Now answering your question about truth of today's culture. What we are being fed in this show is completely untrue. My dad still worries about what his parents might think in certain situations.. so what we are shown here is not a direct implication of what happens in real life. Rather its the exact opposite.

It is something that is only possible in each teenager's own imagination... Most teenagers/youth have nagging parents who bother them about college applications.... job applications.... groom searching... and therefore most of them would love to see teenagers who may have the same qualities as them minus the nagging parents. It suddenly becomes easier to imagine yourself in place of that teenager/youth and keep hoping that it is possible to fall in love with a great guy who is as smart as Mayank or as cool as Samrat without the interference from your parents about who you are friends with and who you are dating.

Again, this obviously would never be possible in real life no matter what culture you belong to.. western or not. But its the fluff that entertains most youth today... the unrealistic hope that you get from watching fictional shows and fictional movies.. that it in fact is possible to create a society where parents WON'T really matter.

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Divya

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Posted: 16 years ago

#33

@anu - excellent topic...!!
Extremely relevant & something I've wondered.. uh so often...!
I haven't watched DMG or Remix..so I'll take ur word for what happened on those shows..
One thing abt MJHT that struck me as unusual was the not the way parents were not shown..but rather the way parents simply disappeared from their lives...Alright, sam's parents are abroad..so he lives ALONE in a really huge house...We have no idea where Nupur & Gunjan's dad disappeared (ok so he went for some long trip abroad or somewhere??) but what about Dia's dad?? where did he scoot to?

Infact it may have been more realistic had they shown these people staying in a place away from their parents..(& maybe only mayank stays wtih his mom or something?) ..even that is fine ..But NO..they live in mansions on their own !!??@!! (y even Sheena n RV live like that!!!)

I've stayed away from home for more than 7 yrs both studying n working but every vacation I wud run home, every other day I'd talk to my parents & they wud be clued in abt who I hand out with etc..may be i'm overtly attached to them unlike "today's generation" (atleast as per MJHT)...

Often, I think there is only 1 reason y the things are as they are in MJHT
--CONVENIENCE--- its convenient to take a story line filled with friends, romance, masti etc without the parents asking them a question...Imagine how complicated it could get for ...whoever... to create a story line where..
--while Samrat walks into the house in the middle of the night -- gunjan(or Dia)'s dad walks in to tick him off for coming in thru the window??
--while Gunjan wants to go help sam cook dinner for sheena--mom stops her cos its too late?
--while Mayank comes home for Drama rehearsals n after the terrace drama --he cannot give her the world's best coffee -- cos her mom or aunt wud take care of that...
sometimes, they choose convenience over a gripping and/or realistic story line...

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AreYaar

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: nehlove
I can understand why children are not shown with parents once they take off to college and live at the dorms or something. But in this show, its not like they are in a completely different town. Most of them live in their parents' homes. If I tell my parents, I will come home at a particular time and I am not home with half hour after that my parents start calling to see where I am and how much longer it will be. Samrat is in the jail and his parents don't even seem to care or actually no one has bothered to tell them yet. Shouldn't Samrat's parents be the one hiring a lawyer for Sammy instead of MAyank and his MOM..

Now answering your question about truth of today's culture. What we are being fed in this show is completely untrue. My dad still worries about what his parents might think in certain situations.. so what we are shown here is not a direct implication of what happens in real life. Rather its the exact opposite.

It is something that is only possible in each teenager's own imagination... Most teenagers/youth have nagging parents who bother them about college applications.... job applications.... groom searching... and therefore most of them would love to see teenagers who may have the same qualities as them minus the nagging parents. It suddenly becomes easier to imagine yourself in place of that teenager/youth and keep hoping that it is possible to fall in love with a great guy who is as smart as Mayank or as cool as Samrat without the interference from your parents about who you are friends with and who you are dating.

Again, this obviously would never be possible in real life no matter what culture you belong to.. western or not. But its the fluff that entertains most youth today... the unrealistic hope that you get from watching fictional shows and fictional movies.. that it in fact is possible to create a society where parents WON'T really matter.

Very well said, Neha👏.....I especially agree with the bolded para....that is exactly what's being depicted thru these youth shows👎🏼

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AreYaar

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Posted: 16 years ago

#35

Originally posted by: myownarea

@anu - excellent topic...!!
Extremely relevant & something I've wondered.. uh so often...!
I haven't watched DMG or Remix..so I'll take ur word for what happened on those shows..
One thing abt MJHT that struck me as unusual was the not the way parents were not shown..but rather the way parents simply disappeared from their lives...Alright, sam's parents are abroad..so he lives ALONE in a really huge house...We have no idea where Nupur & Gunjan's dad disappeared (ok so he went for some long trip abroad or somewhere??) but what about Dia's dad?? where did he scoot to?

Infact it may have been more realistic had they shown these people staying in a place away from their parents..(& maybe only mayank stays wtih his mom or something?) ..even that is fine ..But NO..they live in mansions on their own !!??@!! (y even Sheena n RV live like that!!!)

I've stayed away from home for more than 7 yrs both studying n working but every vacation I wud run home, every other day I'd talk to my parents & they wud be clued in abt who I hand out with etc..may be i'm overtly attached to them unlike "today's generation" (atleast as per MJHT)...

Often, I think there is only 1 reason y the things are as they are in MJHT
--CONVENIENCE--- its convenient to take a story line filled with friends, romance, masti etc without the parents asking them a question...Imagine how complicated it could get for ...whoever... to create a story line where..
--while Samrat walks into the house in the middle of the night -- gunjan(or Dia)'s dad walks in to tick him off for coming in thru the window??
--while Gunjan wants to go help sam cook dinner for sheena--mom stops her cos its too late?
--while Mayank comes home for Drama rehearsals n after the terrace drama --he cannot give her the world's best coffee -- cos her mom or aunt wud take care of that...

sometimes, they choose convenience over a gripping and/or realistic story line...

Thanks, Divya :-)

@bold: Yes that is exactly it, Divya....and we've all said this many times....they take the easy way out which requires absolutely no effort on their part to build a storyline.....buffoonery rules the roost🥱🥱

It IS possible to develop these relationships well....Remix is a shining example of this👏.....but unfortunately the creatives of the shows nowadays don't have the creativity or willingness to make the effort to develop such relationships and instead choose the easy way out of making two dimensional caricatures out of all the characters......requires minimum use of brain power on their part after all🤔😆

Or maybe....they are being cheapskates as usual.....don't want to go to the effort of PAYING more actors to play the parents??😆....that's even more pathetic than the convenience reasoning then🤣

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Divya

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Posted: 16 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: nureat01
[/B][/COLOR] Thanks, Divya :-) @bold: Yes that is exactly it, Divya....and we've all said this many times....they take the easy way out which requires absolutely no effort on their part to build a storyline.....buffoonery rules the roost🥱🥱 It IS possible to develop these relationships well....Remix is a shining example of this👏.....but unfortunately the creatives of the shows nowadays don't have the creativity or willingness to make the effort to develop such relationships and instead choose the easy way out of making two dimensional caricatures out of all the characters......requires minimum use of brain power on their part after all🤔😆 Or maybe....they are being cheapskates as usual.....don't want to go to the effort of PAYING more actors to play the parents??😆....that's even more pathetic than the convenience reasoning then🤣

@blue--Ughhh..if thats true...ughh..that really is a pathetic reason!! I mean how hard is it find people to work in a serial for a decent salary in place like Mumbai streaming with wannabe actors..to actually find decent actors..!!(well am I being too practical here???😆)

Edited by myownarea - 16 years ago

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shivani

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Posted: 16 years ago

#37

agree with u. as for dia n sam they r like rich ppl whose parents really don,t care like they show in other serial but i am suprised for nupur n ghujan.thid influence youngesters big time cuz they start thinking parents don,t matter in their life n stuff. for me my parents decide everything for me from my clothes to every small thing.parenst play a big part in kids life no maater if they r young or old but it alos depends on the bonding between the parents n the kids.

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Kavya

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Posted: 16 years ago

#38

Anu , kudos to you for making a VERY relevant post!

Coming to the topic,forget showing the 'kids' ' parents, I don't even HEAR them MENTIONING them. When was the last time Nupur n Gunjan said "Baaoji" or Dia n Uday uttered something that spelled DAD and MOM? Nowadays I only hear and see Nupur either talking about/drooling over Mayank or 'planning' the next GF attack on him. Gunjan's sole purpose of existence seems Samrat, god forbid what will this girl do if her "best friend" (MJHT nearly made me HATE that phrase btw) Samrat were to leave her and move to some other place? Poor Gunjan's amoeba sized world will be shattered then . Like you said, the last time they spoke to their dad was during Diwali, after that I don't remember them wishing him a Happy New Year or a Happy Holi. Nupur even forgot to call and inform her dad about the outdoor Ac-Meet trip she was going on, with her classmate ALL ALONE. If I were to do something like that, my Mom n Dad would be worried sick wondering what happened to me and set out searching for me. The surprising thing is even GunPur's dad seems least bothered about them , I wonder if he will EVER return from that 'business trip' of his. Coming to Dia, at least she had the courtesy to say "DODO" before but now even her world seems eclipsed by Ranvijay , about Dodo the less said the better- their parents haven't gone on any eternal business trip right then why don't we see them in their OWN house, interacting with their children or nieces? Samrat has provided a very convenient excuse that he is a neglected child, aww poor Sammy your parents are so mean to give you a great home, good 'education'(at least he is sent to a college, regardless of what it ACTUALLY 'teaches' its students), loads of money to spend and what not, I can understand how 'neglected' you must be feeling RV- the dude walks around with a gun, he is into drugs and every possible corrupting thing that can eventually ruin his life in the long run but then why does he need parents when he has all these great peers who are going to help him 'realize' that he is treading on the wrong path by 'cornering' him? We are now left with Mayank's Mom who, thankfully, appears quite often as if to maintain her mandatory 75% attendance requirement lest she should be detained from the show otherwise. Actually, she started out as a very sensible character, I really liked M-Mom relation - they had some really good moments but alas! MJHT is too allergic to sense so Mom is reduced to a highly irritating 'prankster' who only cares about her son having a Girl Friend and romancing her (his GF)- waah bhai waah, Maa ho toh aisi 👏 So what if her erstwhile responsible, sensible and studious son has turned into a love sick puppy, strives ONLY to be a 'perfect' boy friend and a 'great' friend who could care less about education or career now? He is just 'enjoying life like all others his age', isn't he? Ideal mom anyone? Rest of the characters in this show are too unimportant to consider their even more unimportant parents.

In a sharp contrast to this, we have shows like Hip Hip Hurray and Remix which projected how important parents and teachers are in the life of a youth. Like you and LadyM have mentioned, Remix showed the parent- child relationships SO beautifully- it also showed WHY the characters of Ashi,Yuvi,Tia,Pri,Ranvir, Meher,Varun,Aman,Vrinda etc behaved the way they did i.e due to their back grounds and a heavy parental influence. If Ashi was a rebel because she was jealous of her Mom's beauty n success , Yuvi was under constant pressure because of his father's political status which resulted in him being a little weak, character wise. Ranvir, on the other hand, was a strong, determined and a resolved guy because of his dead father's up bringing (this show SHOWED how parents HAVE a MAJOR PART to play in the growing years of their children whether or not they were alive) etc. Same applies to Hip Hip Hurray,I am unable to recollect the instances from that show now but it was also a YOUTH SHOW which , once again, gave equal importance to the parents of the young protagonists who stood by them as a moral support cum guides while the youngsters dealt with every challenge as a part of growing up. Hell, even Just Mohobbat, which falls under the genre of these light hearted youth shows gave sufficient importance to the parents' characters along with the teenage love n romance aspect- NONE of these shows were less entertaining despite the close to reality factor. Like Sarah said, involvement of parents instead of obliteration not only gives more scope for having a story but also makes for a GRIPPING viewing.

You know who I REALLY feel bad for in the end? The youth of today- now whether or not these shows are made with an intention to influence or affect the youth by giving out messages, the fact remains that they DO influence them and by creating this illusion of a 'parent-free-alternate-universe' like Sarah calls it, these people are only fooling the youth of today by giving out the wrong message. I sometimes wonder, do these 'creatives' don't remember their OWN PARENTS? If they do, how come they conveniently forget about the parents of the characters they write? I think most of the characters in this new crop of 'youth shows' ultimately end up as a single layered, uni-dimensional superficial characters despite starting off well because of the lack of proper back ground etching, the foundation of which lies in exploring the parent-child bond.

Edited by Kavya_KraZQueen - 16 years ago

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Kiran--Madiha

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Posted: 16 years ago

#39

This z rly smth 2 b cnsidered..

u r rite...last tym nupur, gunjan's dad came up was during diwali...almost a yr bak!!

this bit makes stuffs unoriginal..young gals kp out of home l8 nite...although in safe company!bt DUHH!father needs 2 knw!!

evn dia, uday's dad...guess last tym he appeared was during their xams...!!!DADDY KOOL needs 2 wake up 2 find his daughter in company of da BAD BOY---RV!!😆

Sammy, Armaan...kinda understoodable!!

Only Mayank's mom's shown!!no wonder he z da only one gud dn🤓...as in gud in everthng...studies, extra curricular activities, romance😆😉

Gud post..👍🏼

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mads

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Posted: 16 years ago

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EXCELLENT topic anu !!!

n yar...dont even get REMIX n MJHT in the same frame ... I am cringing at the thought ... like someone once said, REMIX was a true CLASSIC in every way ... n the more 'youth shows' we are subjected to these days..the more my belief in the above statement deepens !!! and the ashi-sonia relationship is one of the BEST parent-child relationships ever shown ... infact, even characters like aman, who technically werent the main leads of the show had such a strong parental background shown ... but u kno what, I think the fact that remix was based on a spanish series called rebelde also maybe had a LOT to do wit it.. I'm not saying that the creatives' of remix have no hand, but I'm jus saying that remix has some basic script..and then they made alterations in that ...

here, in MJHT .. there is NO script...they jus write the story as they go on ... based on the 'scoops' n 'suggestions' given by us fans ... n that acc to me is not a really healthy way of creating a successful series...

secindly, I think that they dont really have any good story for a 'normal' parent-child relationship apart from the parents either being ridiculously childish and stupid ( like armaan's ) or then those who neglect their son ( like samrat's ).. heck, we dont even kno samrat's surname yet ... there's no intermediate !!! the one intermediate that was ther ... mayank and his mom has also been thoroughly ruined ...

frankly my opinion is that they cannot think beyond filmy dialogues and songs.. and fluffy mindless passionate romance ... so showing realistic emotions like a parent-child relationship is beyond their level of intelligence I feel !!!

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