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Posted: 4 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: Bee222

Also, l'll add another of my two cents here 😆


1. Raghav's misogyny: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only time I remember was his first encounter with Pallavi. And I think it was him generalising Anjali's trashy behaviour that night and criticising Pallavi with it. He only called her a bad driver initially, and I couldn't disagree bcz she really was driving that scooty ridiculously 🤪😆 (nothing to do with being a girl though ) And after that, whatever he said... again it was misogynistic and I didn't like it, but I think it was more an attempt to threaten her out of his way after Harish confirmed her identity. It's unfortunate, but girls do have a greater fear for their safety when walking alone at night. If someone as powerful as RR threatens a girl like that, they will most likely stay well out of his way — and that was his plan. Isi liye wo dhamkake chala ja raha tha, but ofc humari Shivaji bhakt ko darne ke bajay lecture chalu karna tha 😆 And that too insulting his birth and shaming his parents Aur kya tha, phoot gaya RR ka time bomb.. jala diya stock

The drunk scene where he carried Pallavi, he made it clear that he did respect strong self-respecting women — and with a mother like that, it's what I'd expect of him. But I don't suppose he'd ever really met women of that kind before, so he remained skeptical. It's why I loved that little dialogue, it proved that he'd already started seeing Pallu for the kind of girl she was, and even admired her for it, even though he wouldn't admit it to himself bcz he has a building-sized ego. It's why I loved the next morning scene even more, bcz he was in disbelief over his own actions 🤣 He couldn't believe that he'd saved her and not left her on a train 🤣 It added layers to his personality, and in a way that nothing contradicted each other. Usually these attempts tend to stick out like a sore thumb, very odd and sudden and out of place, but here it fit in perfectly. At least to me.


2. Raghav's behaviour towards his staff: Yes, he was quite rude initially, but I thought it went with his Don aura well — someone angry and violent and used to being obeyed to the T. Pallavi was right — he hardly carries that don vibe anymore 😆 We're all free to criticise his initial behaviour, but I for one found it refreshing that the ruthlessness was on point. I know I wouldn't have been convinced with a well-mannered don 😆 Also, his rudeness with his staff made Farhad's special place very evident. Right from "Ek tu hi hai jo jaanta hai kab kya chahiye mujhe" to breaking down completely in front of him.


Nothing more to add, ye 2 cents kuch zyada hi lamba ho gaya 🤪 I do agree with whatever you said, this is just my own viewpoint. Ofc irl this kind of behaviour is a total red flag, but yaha I love him and I'm married to him smiley42smiley36

Again, fabulous post! 👏

I don't think we're really disagreeing here! And I always love reading your thoughts, so please always give your two or more cents. I'm the last person who gets to complain about brevity, since I'm apparently unable to write anything shorter than a thesis.

1. Yeah, it was a super early trait, and I think they were planning to go further with it, but dropped it with the switch from the ex back story to thr Krishna Rao story. Whatever he said was like in the first 7-8 episodes, so I typically just ignore it, because I think they were still developing the character back then. The scene where he's drunk and she's unconscious is the final nail in the coffin of this character trait. It never, ever resurfaced.

2. I agree! I expect him to be like this with his staff, even if I don't like watching it. It is who he is. Again, I think they stabilized on a good balance between ruthless and abusive wrt his staff fairly soon, within the first 15 episodes I guess, so I don't take it seriously.

Both these points, I bring up today because they've been a prominent part of the Sunny/Raghav comparisons, hence me rehashing them.

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Posted: 4 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

You did get my name right! Sharing it with a beloved character probably helps, and I still want to know which one! (I have a suspicion and I need it confirmed :P)

I agree with everything. I am still pretty compelled by Sunny's character, even as an antagonist if that's where they're going. But the wasted potential here is huge. I wanted Sunny and Pallavi to form a tenuous alliance for Kirti's sake, they have such an interesting chemistry. I thought I saw a hint of respect when she had figured their relationship out before even Raghav did. I liked them pairing up for the necklace thing. I figured he could have been a catalyst for Raghav/Kirti too, seeing he got a rare glimpse into a vulnerable Raghav the night he took him to the station. Ugh, my heart breaks thinking of lost potential. I can go on and on forever about all the directions this character could have taken.

For me, the point of no return was the threat to commit suicide if she doesn't run away with him, and then this misogyny this week...ugh. I guess they could still bring him back, but I don't see them investing that much in a side character, so realistically, he is an out and out antagonist now.

We were discussing earlier on this thread only, that they've made Sunny a bali ka bakra by having him voice out everything aggressively as a source of exposition for Ved.

The part you highlight in bold was the biggest point of divergence for me as well, and I'm glad it's resonated with you and others as well. I've been seeing loads of comparisons between the two, both in show and out of it, and I think this is the point that's been preventing me from drawing that parallel so far. I think the entire point of my thesis here was to help me find the words to say it, because while I was feeling something there, I couldn't find the words till I started typing.

It's Ashi from Remix! One of the ITV shows I hold the closest to my heart ❤️ Does it match your suspicion? 😆

Yes, that's what I'm saying too. The wasted potential is huge here. If there's anything more frustrating than a flat, drab plot.. it's a plot that actually has the capacity to be interesting but still chooses to go the drab way His character decline makes that entire Raghav/Sunny scene so meaningless, doesn't it?

Same here, that suicide threat was the beginning of his downfall in my eyes. Now it's just... I'm just... both him and Keerti are just there to annoy me. Ugh 🤔 Idec if they try a redemption track now, the misogyny has been inserted too plainly, right in our faces. There's no way out of it now Unless Pallu giving him a checkmate brings him to his senses. But then again, giving her the solo spotlight here means that Raghav really is so easily convinced to marry off Keerti to this random guy? NOT an option I wanna explore...

It's a lame exposition, and again a drab way out, but... fine, whatever. If it moves along the story 🤷

Yes, the last two episodes especially, I was feeling quite strongly about Sunny and his character arc. You very articulately expressed everything on my mind ❤️🤗

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Posted: 4 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: Neha054

Excellent analysis of their characters

This has been a topic of interest for me 🤣.

Raghav in the initial episodes was such an ass , glad they toned him down , having said that even In the earlier episodes when Pallavi slapped him in the market , he let her go rather easily considering his don wala image . I doubt sunny would let such a thing go easily.

I don't understand Sunny's hate towards Pallavi . She hasn't always been rude to him. When Raghav and Pallavi go to his place for his help, she was rather nice to him , while Raghav was rude . He didn't seem to mind RRs rudeness 🙄.

off-topic but I loved him playing TT after that slap❤️

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bee222

It's Ashi from Remix! One of the ITV shows I hold the closest to my heart ❤️ Does it match your suspicion? 😆

Yes, that's what I'm saying too. The wasted potential is huge here. If there's anything more frustrating than a flat, drab plot.. it's a plot that actually has the capacity to be interesting but still chooses to go the drab way His character decline makes that entire Raghav/Sunny scene so meaningless, doesn't it?

Same here, that suicide threat was the beginning of his downfall in my eyes. Now it's just... I'm just... both him and Keerti are just there to annoy me. Ugh 🤔 Idec if they try a redemption track now, the misogyny has been inserted too plainly, right in our faces. There's no way out of it now Unless Pallu giving him a checkmate brings him to his senses. But then again, giving her the solo spotlight here means that Raghav really is so easily convinced to marry off Keerti to this random guy? NOT an option I wanna explore...

It's a lame exposition, and again a drab way out, but... fine, whatever. If it moves along the story 🤷

Yes, the last two episodes especially, I was feeling quite strongly about Sunny and his character arc. You very articulately expressed everything on my mind ❤️🤗

Yes, I did guess that! First TV show I ever watched and got attached to, it's so so close to my heart!! I'm still bitter it's not on Hotstar :(

Haan, abhi Sunny ke saath zyaada negative ho gaya, all those initial scenes have been rendered pointless. I want Pallavi to knock him down because that's what he deserves. Let Raghav focus on Ved. But yeah, kaafi muddle kar diya plot ko :(

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Posted: 4 years ago
#75

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

From that perspective, it was an excellent scene. I was disturbed because of what I described, but that's just a personal preference on my end with regards to what kind of characters I enjoy. The scenes were excellently executed, and perfectly in character. Actually, it's so fascinating- if I look from Raghav's perspective, he went soft on her. From Pallavi's, it would have been downright terrifying.

As for gushing, well of course! He's the male lead, so we know from day one ki yeh sudhar jaayega, so we feel okay rooting for him. With side characters, we don't know which way it'll go, so we're much more cautious.

@bold- That's pretty much the bottom line- we're having these conversations in context of it being fictional, warna we all know both men have crossed lines which can't be uncrossed.

hmm, yes can be the reason. The initial sunny bashing was uncalled for tho imo. Nonetheless, I'm really happy ki cvs addressed these similarities on the show. I guess we'll get a scene someday where pallu will answer sunny regarding his taunt about raghav with somewhat similar points you all have written.❤️

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Posted: 4 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Yes, I did guess that! First TV show I ever watched and got attached to, it's so so close to my heart!! I'm still bitter it's not on Hotstar :(

Haan, abhi Sunny ke saath zyaada negative ho gaya, all those initial scenes have been rendered pointless. I want Pallavi to knock him down because that's what he deserves. Let Raghav focus on Ved. But yeah, kaafi muddle kar diya plot ko :(

Yes, I keep going back to that fb page to watch their episodes from time to time So many memories, ah... I'm getting nostalgic right at this moment remembering their title song! 🥺🥺 That foursome was... such a wonderful group 😍 And all the other characters were so well crafted as well. Every character had a unique arc to cover, and overall it was such a refreshing show! ❤️❤️

Also, special mention to Sonia Ray as an amazing single mom 🥳👏

Music ki to baat hi nahi karte

Look, my mini Remix appreciation post is here! 😆

Edited by Bee222 - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Regarding raghav’s misogyny... i think it really didnt make sense esp when he has hired female employees at his jewellery stores. If he thougt women were incompetent and belonged to the kitchen, etc , etc.. how could a person belonging to such a mentality run a successful business with women running his stores if he didnt believe in their competency, talent or valued their work. Which is why i think, the dialogues to pallavi were just one of those poor dialogue writing..

Also, his own sister and mother were on their own and managing their lives. his sister pretty much sounds like a workaholic and she is talented , hardworking.. also the first episode, he buys the sindoor box for 500 from that little girl and tells her to go home sleep.. he was very sweet then.

Which is why the drunk women’s day dialogues about they being backbone made much more sense to me..

but ofcourse his comtempt at women who threw themselves around for money. Yes seems like he has seen a lot of them around the clubs that he visited...

Regarding his behaviour with his staff.. his rude behaviour towards anyone cannot be excused although the trait is understandable since He is this gunda types guy. But in his defence, i think the reddy guy had a hearty laugh when pallavi and he had a cross telephone connection and pallavi thougt he was a plumber. He notices that reddy was having fun at his expense but he doesnt say anything.. also, the staff literally threw a tantrum at him saying they wouldnt work when he refused to accept pallavi’s india saree offer. Nobody does that to their employer and gets away like that.. But raghav took that sportingly..


Sunny’s mcp behaviour was evident when keerthi shared about pallavi not forgiving raghav for his sin and he was like she is his wife.. she has to come around.. and keerthi and he have this argument.. this was his 3rd or 4th scene after his entry..its just that pallavi coming in his way too often that it has increased.. sunny’s vidhwa comment was only for ved to know how pallavi was related to mandaar family. I dont think there is too much to read into that comment of his.

Again sunny saying that everyone in the city knows how much of a mannerless brute her husband is was spot on.!!! There was nothing for pallvi to get offended at all that she had to answer..

i still think sunny will ultimately help raghav atleast if not pallavi in this ved issue esp after mandaar comes back and i think keerthi and sunny thoda bahut chalayenge story wise..

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Posted: 4 years ago
#78

Originally posted by: Isamreen

Makers have been very unpredictable with concern to characters....

We have seen a dabang woman like Sharda gone spineless...

Sensible Keerthi became a nibbi...

Bubbly Mansi became jealous freak / aasteen ka sanp

Nibbi Amrutha is becoming positive...

Only Krishna and Farhad are constant coz they are one- dimension characters...

Pallavi and Raghav are growing each day...

So it will be interesting to watch if sunny will redeem or change after stating such statements coz the actor said he is positive character....

I rem I was worried after Raghav maligning Pallavi's character, after this how they are going to redeem his character, but they did a great job there...

So am all attentive 👍🏼

I really wish cvs didn't mess up with all these characters

Almost all my fav side characters in the show went down the drain-mansi,kirti and now sunny nikhil is also mia now Only farhad-krishna left😆


@b that was way before this track na?abhi toh its evident ki sunny character underwent a sudden change

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Posted: 4 years ago
#79

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

You did get my name right! Sharing it with a beloved character probably helps, and I still want to know which one! (I have a suspicion and I need it confirmed :P)

I agree with everything. I am still pretty compelled by Sunny's character, even as an antagonist if that's where they're going. But the wasted potential here is huge. I wanted Sunny and Pallavi to form a tenuous alliance for Kirti's sake, they have such an interesting chemistry. I thought I saw a hint of respect when she had figured their relationship out before even Raghav did. I liked them pairing up for the necklace thing. I figured he could have been a catalyst for Raghav/Kirti too, seeing he got a rare glimpse into a vulnerable Raghav the night he took him to the station. Ugh, my heart breaks thinking of lost potential. I can go on and on forever about all the directions this character could have taken.

For me, the point of no return was the threat to commit suicide if she doesn't run away with him, and then this misogyny this week...ugh. I guess they could still bring him back, but I don't see them investing that much in a side character, so realistically, he is an out and out antagonist now.

We were discussing earlier on this thread only, that they've made Sunny a bali ka bakra by having him voice out everything aggressively as a source of exposition for Ved.

The part you highlight in bold was the biggest point of divergence for me as well, and I'm glad it's resonated with you and others as well. I've been seeing loads of comparisons between the two, both in show and out of it, and I think this is the point that's been preventing me from drawing that parallel so far. I think the entire point of my thesis here was to help me find the words to say it, because while I was feeling something there, I couldn't find the words till I started typing.

@b 🥺 I know we're crying over spilt milk here but I can't help it🥺 I'd have happily given cvs all the possible route they could've gone with him for free but


kindly, ignore me while I gush over kush a lil😭😆


https://www.instagram.com/p/CQiKopoLEQJ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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Posted: 4 years ago
#80

Originally posted by: SRKian

@b 🥺 I know we're crying over spilt milk here but I can't help it🥺 I'd have happily given cvs all the possible route they could've gone with him for free but


kindly, ignore me while I gush over kush a lil😭😆


https://www.instagram.com/p/CQiKopoLEQJ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Haww, why should I ignore you when I can instead gush with you? :P

BTW, we've chatted so much, but I didn't catch your name. Mine's Ashi, what should I call you?

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