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Posted: 10 years ago
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The interpretation of Maya , an illusion by shruthi on paper is beautiful . I had not thoght of all this . I had looked upon Maya only as an irritating distraction which was making mk boring . AND HERE LIES THE PROBLEM . ORDINARY TV VIEWERS LIKE ME HAVE FAILED TO GRASP THIS SIGNIFICANCE OF MAYA . MASSES ARE THINKING "ARRE BHAI ,IS MAYA MEIN AISA KYA HAI JO HAR KOI ISKA JAP KAR RAHA HAI " . THIS IS WHERE MAKERS OF MK HAVE ERRED . THEY HAVE NOT SUCCEEDED IN PRESENTING MAYA AS AN ALLURING MAGICAL WOMAN WHO HAS EVERYBODY DANCING TO HER TUNES . This interpretation of alluring maya has not reached the masses of which I am a part of . Rather masses are thinking , what the hell yaar , yeh Maya jaap kab band hoga .
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@annu123 thanks for your post. I am happy that you liked this post of mine. Actually it is not the problem of the script. Script has intended this otherwise I wouldn't have able to grasp it. But you need a analytical mind and little bit of knowledge of Indian mythology to understand a show like MK.
That's exactly the reason such shows don't get good TRPs. Because you have to wait to understand the whole meaning. You cant walk around and watch this show. You have to sit and observe it to understand. Basically it is for the thinking crowd, who wants to watch something thought provoking, something where there is something to analyze than saas-bahu drama.
Some messages, some inspirations which you can draw. Most people don't have the patience to sit and watch. Script of MK is good, it is much much better than many of the TV soaps. But unfortunately Indian TV audience have not reached a point to enjoy such khatke shows
Once again thank you very much for liking my post. I always feel elated when I am able to make someone understand or give a perspective of sublime meaning in a script.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@appukrish nice explanation of how Shiva was indirectly instrumental in sending Rudra in wrong direction. Yes I had mentioned the same in Shymaladi's thread also long back in her weekly post. Dadi, his guilt of not understanding Maya, his guilt of not trusting Maimui enough as far as Maya goes and Shiva's take on illusion all together send this guy straight into the arms of Maya the illusion.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I guess we have all perceived Rudra from a viewers point of view, not from Rudra's point of view, its been one huge roller coaster ride for him. Maimui's death and its repercussions. Rudra's grief and fury. Then coming to know his reality, finding his lost family. Coming to know Maya's role and Maimui and daadi's encouragement of Maya.Meeting the Veshes. Then along comes Shiva and his information about the mission. The confusing cocktail that Rudra's life has taken so far just helps him to lose himself I guess. He is lost totally in Maya. But what a way he is brought out of his bubble.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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No shruthi , i dont agree with your saas -bahu thing here . To have something in mind , to coceptualize and to be able to present it successfully are 2 different things . From the body language , the mannerisms , the script ,Maya does not come across as an alluring , irresstible woman . When Maya says those epic lines " maya jhoothi this par uska ..." viewers do not feel her pain . I dont know utakarshiji had in mind , but if they had thought of what u said , they should hv been able to present it too . Ppl like me hv seen just 3 serials in life , SC /a fawad khan serial and mk . I watched mk coz it had gautam in it and i adored him in SC. So i am not the usual saas- bahu crowd and majority of mk viewers are like that . They are students and professionals and not DABH type trp aunties . And it is a fact that they hv failed to grasp this picture of Maya .I DO SINCERELY HOPE EVERYTHING IN MK IS NOT DISMISSED BY SAYING THAT IT IS NOT YOUR USUAL KIND OF SAAS BAHU SERIAL
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@annu apologize if you took my comment as I took MK viewer's to be usual saas-bahu audience. I know most of the MK viewer's are niche. What I said is that if you look at MK TRP it does not have the TRP of usual saas-bahu stuff because not many have the patience to watch such shows. At home only I watch MK, my mom just looks over it whereas she enjoys the usual saas-bahu stuff. My only point was since you need some patience with it, irrespective of having a story it is not in top 10, though I wish to see a show like MK in top 10. I also don't watch many serials. I have watched DABH till IPS after that it turned crap, then SC till kusum track and then EHT, Everest and now MK.
Second part Maya needs to be alluring is a misconception. Maya or illusion can come in any form. Over dosage of anything or losing yourself in anything is illusion or Maya. Here Maya the girl actually is bringing him closer to the destiny, whereas he is the one who is not asking the right questions and take s this as love and simply surrenders to her. Even the best things that come to you, if you don't use it correctly it can create illusions. So there is no problem with script there.
Actually during Krishna's birth, Yogamaya is born alongside him as a baby girl in Gokul. Krishna is taken to Gokul and she is the one who is bought to prison who cries waking up the prison guards. There Maya is a crying infant in Devaki's lap, who Kamsa throws to the wall to kill and she takes the form of Durga surprising him and announcing the birth of Krishna. The lines with which she address Kamsa is superb. She calls him idiot to treat her as a baby infant. She is the one who instills fear of death in Kamsa.
In Kuruskhetra war the way Krishna shuts the sun god with Sudarsan creating an illusion or Maya of sunset. Jayadrath falls in that Maya and comes out in straight line of fire of Arjuna. When he comes unarmed in direct line of fire Krishna removes the sudarshan removing Maya and revealing the sun
Again for killing Drona an illusion or Maya of death of Aswadhama is created. Drona falls in that Maya and he is killed.
So Maya can take any form, learned people understand it, use it for establishing dharma in the world, for others who surrenders to it , wake up call is needed the way Rudra got.
And as per Indian mythology it is difficult to understand Maya for any normal human being. We all succumb to it at one point or other without understanding it. It is a very very deep subject and much beyond what I have written, but to the best of my understanding of Maya UN has presented it in a nice way.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shruthi , I agree 100 percent with u in this interpretation of Maya . I thank u from the bottom of the heart for this beautiful picture u have painted . My point is not that . What I want to put across is that 90percent of viewers of mk have failed to grasp this interpretation of Maya . Where the fault lies , with the writer? director ? or the actress herself or all of them combined , i dont know and cant say .
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@annu yes script has problem, actress of course has problem, direction not sure but there is problem with viewer's also. Because as I said Maya is a very deep subject which is used extensively in Indian mythology, so to understand what the script is trying to paint, knowledge of Indian mythology is needed and the contexts in which illusion or Maya is used also is needed. To understand some finer points of MK some real deep delving to Indian mythology and ancient Indian texts is required. That is why I love MK also because whenever I cant connect certain things I have gone back to search, to read certain aspects especially Shiv-Sakthi and its various representations. And that search has been fruitful also. Indian mythology has been my favorite subject from childhood and through MK I started to know more about the representations and hidden meanings.No other show has made me do such research on ancient India in the near future.
What I said was even though with all its bloopers and limitations it is the first time I have seen such a subject as Maya explored deeply in a TV serial. It is very difficult to portray or present Maya in a believable manner in any script and I don't know how UN took this much risk with it.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Annu and Shruthi,

Where does the fault lie? I would say with everyone, but mainly with the writer.

The kind of maya that Shruti is visualising with such sureness of touch and perception needs both a very gifted writer and an even better communicator to put it across to even an intelligent, non-TRP auntie (why not uncle? I am sure there are some out there, in hiding!😉).

A film or a TV serial is not like an abstract painting, which can say different things to different viewers, or nothing at all, and get away with it. In fact, the more impenetrable its meaning, the better it will very likely sell!😉 But this medium is different.

If Utkarsh had seen Maya the girl as representing maya the universal illusion, which can either elevate Rudra or pull him down, depending on how he handles it, this is not how she should have been shown. As a 111% perfect bahu evam poutravadhu for Ganga and Daadi, full of all the traditional virtues, including all that unbelievably comic seva of the old ladies in the Ashram. In fact, her scenes with both Daadi and Ganga could have been inserted seamlessly into a saas-bahu serial, with the sole novelty that the parsaas and the poutravadhu . are on the same side!😉

Nor is there any explanation of WHY Rudra falls for her, suddenly and totally, like a sack of coals tumbling down the steps to the cellar😉. They need him to do so - and to do so with increasing vehemence, which was equally incomprehensible - and so he did, that was all.

This makes it even more difficult for the average viewer to grasp anything of the esoteric hidden meanings that are said to be there.

Where was there even a sotto voce explanation that Maya was not just any girl with irritating sidelong glances, but the mohmaaya of our philosophical treatises? Bar that one confusion between Shiva's reference to maaya, and Rudra's misunderstanding him as meaning Maya the girl, there has not been a single line anywhere till now guiding the viewer to this high faluting concept of Maya as maaya.

Utkarsh cannot expect all the viewers to have a Shruthi on tap, can he? It is his business to make sure that whatever he wants to convey on this matter is duly put across in a manner that any reasonably intelligent viewer can readily grasp it. This has simply not been done, and if very few get what he really means, he has no one to blame but himself.

In the latest version of the Mahabharata, the writers had taken care to bridge this gap thru long explanatory discourses by Lord Krishna. This was done, principally, for Bhishma, Drona, and Karna, but there were any number of mini-pravachans by Krishna at various other points of the narrative, so that no one, neither the characters, nor the viewers, had any excuses for going off track.

There has been nothing of the kind here, and it is the writer's fault that he has not found some way to do it without looking odd or out of place.

No one, not even Daadi, has been shown to have any understanding of Maya except the literal one, of a perfect bride for Rudra. Not even Shiva, who has not uttered a word more on the maaya he was referring to earlier, and linking that up with this Maya. So how can the viewer be expected to grasp this esoteric concept on her/his own?

Finally, it is no use trying make a silk purse out of a sow's ear (I have never understood why it has to be a sow's ear😉). To play Maya as more than a person,but as illusion, takes an exceptionally gifted actress, and I doubt if any of the currently available candidates could do it. But one need not have settled for one who seems to specialise in playing a wilting lily and/or a dying duck. I watch this Maya onscreen, and all of Shruthi's delicate concepts are washed away on a swelling tide of irritation. And I am NOT a TRP-auntie!

If the writer cannot lead even a viewer like me into what he wants to put across, the fault is not mine, it is his. And if his TRPs fall thru the bottom, it is not because the viewers are all TRP-aunties. It is because he could not carry even the niche viewers with him. And now he is trying to titillate God knows who with abominably crude violence. He needs a sound spanking!😉

Shyamala Di


Originally posted by: annu123.happy

Shruthi , I agree 100 percent with u in this interpretation of Maya . I thank u from the bottom of the heart for this beautiful picture u have painted . My point is not that . What I want to put across is that 90percent of viewers of mk have failed to grasp this interpretation of Maya . Where the fault lies , with the writer? director ? or the actress herself or all of them combined , i dont know and cant say .

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Superb , beautiful , astonishing ,out of the world post by Shymala di . This is the best post in India forum for me since di has effectively conveyed what I was trying to do from the last 2 hrs . This is the practical , real picture of Maya which I had in mind . When sc ended i became a huge fan of gautam unconditionally and jennifer with some reservations . It seems when mk ends , i will become a huge fan of shyamala di 😉 without resevations 😆.

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