Neelkanth? - Page 3

Shruthi my dear,

Thanks a ton for spotting and enjoying that crack of mine about the useless devas and asuras! It is the abiding sorrow of my IF existence that most of my jokes go unnoticed😭, so I really value your response!

And as for the rest of your take on these folks, you are spot on, especially the part in bold. There have been so many instances of this and the one of Mahabali is the saddest. But it is also true that on the rare occasions when the asuras had a real chance of dominating the three worlds, they invariably muffed it thru their arrogance, like Tarakasur, or their cruelty and their mindless folly like Ravana, who was the most learned and gifted of them all.

Shyamala Di

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Shubha Maimui clearly tells in his earlier vision that she cannot take Rudra with her because he has to become Neelkanth.

So in other words Rudra has to become Neelkanth one way or other. Dr Rao is now researching what happened when that poison was used 144 years back. So through his research some knowledge will come.

Also it is said that against Nagastra, Garudastra is used in mythology and as some other post mentioned in Ramayan when Indrajith uses Nagastra on Ram, Lakkan and entire vanar sena it is Garud who comes and save them. So Rudra as Sarvashesth Garud definitely do something or knows something to save Maya.

Shymaladi I loved your take on devas and asuras 😆😆😆 not caring a hoot for what happens to Mahadev. It is true for the world also Shymaladi that only the loved ones feel the pain, others just need you when the time comes 😆😆. Don't you know in mythological serials we see Devas running and coming in front of Brahma, Mahesh, Vishnu based on the need Bachao bachao. Asuras are coming😆😆.

Sometimes I feel for Asuras , they are so hardworking people take extreme penance to get boons while Devas enjoy the dance of beautiful ladies 😆😆, then these Devas with the help of Trimurtis somehow manage to curtail the Asuras. There are times I have felt bad for Mahabali even Ravan too.

And I feel Devas represent the silent majority who are lost in their lives without understanding what is happening outside , not reacting to it and feels it only when it hits them and then they turn to God help, help

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Shruthi my dear,

Thanks a ton for spotting and enjoying that crack of mine about the useless devas and asuras! It is the abiding sorrow of my IF existence that most of my jokes go unnoticed😭, so I really value your response!

And as for the rest of your take on these folks, you are spot on, especially the part in bold. There have been so many instances of this and the one of Mahabali is the saddest. But it is also true that on the rare occasions when the asuras had a real chance of dominating the three worlds, they invariably muffed it thru their arrogance, like Tarakasur, or their cruelty and their mindless folly like Ravana, who was the most learned and gifted of them all.

Shyamala Di

I have always felt bad for Ravana, and in our mythology, almost every villain had a reasonably good reason behind his actions.

Everybody had a back story.

Sahi baat about about our devas and their somras and swarg ki apsaras, what a futile self indulgent life they lead...

Yes, Arshi, the part I have italicised makes perfect sense. In any case, to battle the nagas, he would have to have a higher calling.

As for your horrified query re: Daadi, she was being her usual mahaan self. I was thus greatly surprised when Shiva actually managed to cashier her Munich Agreement style proposal and led her away quietly. 😉

By the way, I wonder if Rudra has any idea of who actually poisoned Maya, and whether he thinks that the 'Veshes were guilty of that too. The last precap is very confusing on this point, with Balivesh's ambiguous response to Katharine's anguished protest about Maya's death not having been part of "the plan".

Of course, it might have been a bit of phenkna by Balivesh, like Naanu claiming the 'credit' for Udiya Baba's death in his retort to Maya's threat to expose them all to Rudra. But if not, it would mean that he was already in touch with the nagas and had got Maya poisoned. After all, the naga connection came thru Guru Maharaj, and it might have moved further by now. Where, I wonder, is Guru Maharaj?

There is also the intriguing new facet to Naanu's character that I had mentioned at the end of my last post. He is genuinely grieved by what has happened to Maya, unlike the totally callous and uncaring Balivesh.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Arshics

I agree with you on the samhara of the evil. There is point till which forgiveness and turn the other cheek work - till the wrong doer also has a boundary of sanity, beyond the tipping point - it has to be a war.

But I was talking about the mental frame of the general who is going to war.

Is it a personal dushmani with a particular indivdual, or the call of duty and Karma.

If Rudra has slayed his personla demons, and saved his precious Maya, he goes to war at the higher calling of his duty, otherwise he gores to war with a small vision and personal anger and vendetta clouding his judgement...

As for Dadi ... to hand over the kund to the papis - what was she thinking?

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Yes, Arshi, Maimuyi's offhand objection, when he wants to go away with her, that Rudra has to deal with the poison threatening the world by becoming Neelkanth, is the clincher.

As supplementary evidence, so to speak, there is also the point that to fit in with theleit motif of our tale, the parallel with the samudramanthan, that before the amrit emerges, there has to be the deadly vish, and it is Rudra Shiva who has to deal with it.

Shruthi's garudastra vs nagastra angle fits in perfectly here, since Rudra is also Garuda No.1. Talk of multitasking!

So Rudra does not have the least doubt that he will be able to do so, which was wonderful to behold.

On a different tack, I was struck by Balivesh's escalating folly in losing Daadi's unbelievable offer to hand over the Saraswati Kund to the Sri Santh Panth.

I was ready to burst a bloodvessel over that, seeing all the hungama she had been making earlier over the Rao-Shiva anusandhan in the Saraswati Kund making that pavitra sthal apavitra. Presumably she thought Balivesh & Co, would have tins of Rin or New Improved Wheel to cleanse themselves of their accumulated sins first!😉

Be that as it may, Niyati saved Daadi from the consequences of her own folly, with Balivesh's endemic foot in the mouth disease, in Naanu's absence, giving Shivanand the perfect opening to scotch the disastrous proposal. Wonder of wonders, Daadi did not shush him and make a repeat offer, but allowed herself to be gently led away. I was in a state of shock for a full five minutes after seeing that!!😉

I could not quite catch what exotic syndrome they had discovered about the effects of the poison, and what kind of records Rao was hoping to unearth about the 1869 poisoning of an identical kind, but as Sandhya was joking on my thread, it is clearly one that permits the victim, Maya, to do a lot of lajaana sharmaana, nayan ladaana, joking and laughing, and even going on a boatride before collapsing gracefully in her love's arms. It might have been slow - timed to perfection to hit when the saat phere are on - but if it was also dardnaak, that did not show.

I have never relishes the Rudra-Maya romance, but this last episode was, finally, not just tolerable but appealing, thanks to Rudra's melting smile that lights up his eyes ever so gently.

Otherwise, it was straight out of Dickens, like the death of the young heroine, Nell, in The Old Curiosity Shop. In those days, the magazines from England with the latest chapters of this novel used to be received by anxious crowds at the American ports, and when his "dear, gentle sweet Nell" died, it was said that all of America wept.

It is going to be something like that with the Mahakumbh viewers come Monday. I do not cry, but I shall preserve a respectful silence and await her resurrection!

Arshi dear, re: your last sentence, the interesting thing is that despite all that had happened to him, there was never any hatred or anger from Shivanand's side, only the desperate need to protect the world by protecting amrit. It was Rudra who was swearing vengeance on the 'Veshes for the killings of Udiya Baba (which does not stand up at all, for they had nothing to do with his dying or even with Pandey's attempt on Rudra's life) and Maimuyi.

Now is he going to forget all that, just as his Daadi is prepared to forget the destruction of the Brahma Nisht Panth by the'Veshes just because of her obsession with uniting the two Panths? It seems odd to me. And in the end, he is going to fight the nagas and the rest of the dark forces to save the world. Would that be doing it for love? Of whom? Of humanity?

I have never been comfortable with the idea of turning the other cheek and repeatedly forgiving evil in the hope of reforming it. Evil has to be destroyed. I thus prefer our pauranic concept of samhara.

Shyamala

Edited by sashashyam - 10 years ago

Shymaladi thanks a ton for the tissues. But then even I am not a easy nut to crack, because I can remember instances in which I cried and that too not bucketful. By the way it was not the movie that made me cry, it was the book. After reading the book if you watch the movie it falls flat to be frank and I feel compared to the movie of " A walk to remember" UN is doing a better job, still a long way to reach where the book reached with the climax.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

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As for your horrified query re: Daadi, she was being her usual mahaan self. I was thus greatly surprised when Shiva actually managed to cashier her Munich Agreement style proposal and led her away quietly. 😉 Yeah imho, that whole scene was the worst written so far in MK... Does Dadi not know the Vesh thugs tried (albeit ineffectively) to kill both Ganga and Maya? And if that was not sufficient reason, what about their attack from 24 years ago where they killed Dadaji? Even if she wants world peace at any cost, this was way too unconvincing!😲Thank God she allowed Siva to have the last word for once!!Phew.

...By the way, I wonder if Rudra has any idea of who actually poisoned Maya, and whether he thinks that the 'Veshes were guilty of that too. The last precap is very confusing on this point, with Balivesh's ambiguous response to Katharine's anguished protest about Maya's death not having been part of "the plan". As you say, that pre cap was, in trademark MK style, Terribly Mixed-up. I'm not even sure Balivesh was the one Kat spoke to.

...There is also the intriguing new facet to Naanu's character that I had mentioned at the end of my last post. He is genuinely grieved by what has happened to Maya, unlike the totally callous and uncaring Balivesh. Nanu is a deep and devious one. For all one knows he & his son are playing Good Cop, Bad Cop.. I am not giving Nanu the credit for any hitherto hidden humane facets!

She was talking to Balivesh, Shubha, for he addresses her as Miss.Katharine when he says that at the MK apne bhi kho jaate hain.

What puzzled me more was the reference to "the plan". There has been no indication thus far of any joint planning between Greyerson-Katharine on the one hand and the 'Veshes on the other, and then the poisoning was a naga affair. Though none of the others might know about that as yet.

As for Naanu and his long drawn out shriek Maayaaa...!!!. in front of his son and their henchmen, there was no one there for any good cop, bad cop game to impress. And the 'Veshes are hardly given to subtlety. I think there is a difference of opinion between him and Balivesh re:Maya.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: happychappy

Originally posted by: sashashyam

She was talking to Balivesh, Shubha, for he addresses her as Miss.Katharine when he says that at the MK apne bhi kho jaate hain.

What puzzled me more was the reference to "the plan". There has been no indication thus far of any joint planning between Greyerson-Katharine on the one hand and the 'Veshes on the other, and then the poisoning was a naga affair. Though none of the others might know about that as yet.

As for Naanu and his long drawn out shriek Maayaaa...!!!. in front of his son and their henchmen, there was no one there for any good cop, bad cop game to impress. And the 'Veshes are hardly given to subtlety. I think there is a difference of opinion between him and Balivesh re:Maya.

Shyamala

Arshi,

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Arshi,

What back story did Ravana have. Apart being destined to die at Rama's hands(Jaya-Vijaya story). That has nothing to do with justification of his acts. Right?

Everyone has a back story of why they are doing what they are. It could be their Prarabdha. But no justification for their mistakes.

And regarding the current track, I am liking it very much. I strongly believe that Rudra being battle-ready is a process. One has to exhaust a lot of vasanas and go through a lot to reach that state. And that is exactly what he is going through. His personal tragedy is bringing him close to the bigger destiny.

Otherwise it will be like 'katte kotte techche' in telugu. Thats Ramayana in 3 words.

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

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And regarding the current track, I am liking it very much. I strongly believe that Rudra being battle-ready is a process. One has to exhaust a lot of vasanas and go through a lot to reach that state. And that is exactly what he is going through. His personal tragedy is bringing him close to the bigger destiny.

Otherwise it will be like 'katte kotte techche' in telugu. Thats Ramayana in 3 words.