Mahakumbh 37-40: A triangle of an unusual kind: Episodes 42/43 on p.9 - Page 6

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Posted: 10 years ago
#51
Spot on, Shruthi!👏 Your second para cannot be improved upon. All great revolutionaries HAVE to be like that. If they started worrying about their loved ones, then it would be alvida to the great mission in their life. They are like Arjuna, who sees only the eye of the bird, and it is only this single minded drive that gets them to their goal.

As for your hopes re: Daadi, now that you have explained them, I am on board for that. Except that here, the disillusionment for Daadi will come when Shiva's ideas win out in the end over evil, and the world, including the Brahma Nisht Panth, has been saved thanks to the Rudra-Shiva combine, the blocking of which she strove so hard to achieve.

Shyamala Di


Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Arshics Raja Harischandra only partially suits Shiva. I mean Raja was about ideals, actually Dadaji suits person like Harischandra more. Give some vachan and then think only about that than anything else. As Vachan will decide how people will view them. It is more like how others will view you.

But Shiva is more self driven. He has scant regard of what others think about him. He is more about the impending danger. People as such doesn't mean much to him other than a means to reach that goal. Actually he is more like Bhagat Singh, Subhash Chandra Bose whose only aim was freedom to India doesn't matter what happened to them or their near or dear ones. But India has to be liberated. They never worried about what society thought about them.
Shymaladi I agree to your quote on Matrabhakthi. Especially in Indian serials. I have seen the far fetched version of it in DABH which forced me to quit that serial once and for all though I had loved it for close to 2 years. I am only expecting something like Satyavati felt in MB. A realization where she feels the control is lost and she has been responsible for the same. No one is gonna tell her that.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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It is not just his truth, Arshi, but that of a whole lot of those whom Shivanand knows well and trusts, beginning with Prof. Rao. Not to speak of the facts he has himself collated from 25 years of research, which confirm his theories.

I am not quite on board for the Snape parallel, but Heaven save me from Raja Harishchandra, my dear! If I had been Taramati, he would have been in for a nasty shock!😉

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Arshics

Isn't Shiva more like Raja Harishchandra, than Snape - truly dedicated to his belief and completely unwavering from his "truth", even his family an extension of the same standards that he holds himself by?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

It is not just his truth, Arshi, but that of a whole lot of those whom Shivanand knows well and trusts, beginning with Prof. Rao. Not to speak of the facts he has himself collated from 25 years of research, which confirm his theories.

I am not quite on board for the Snape parallel, but Heaven save me from Raja Harishchandra, my dear! If I had been Taramati, he would have been in for a nasty shock!😉

Shyamala



I agree... about Harishchandra not being a very desirable pati.😊

I meant the parallel more as his steadfastness

but I think you all misunderstand my poor dadi

she will be the one to send her son and grandson to war, tilak and all

and her shankhnaad will echo again, and announce the war


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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Arshics as you said it, let me tell you it will happen. Because to regain her image that will be the only option left in front of dadi😆😆😆.
TV serial Mathrubhakthi will ensure that she get that chance. " Jaavo beta jeetke aavo"😆😆😆. Telling that itself will be Dadi's biggest defeat😆😆😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hello Shyamala. Hope your knees get better soon. Sorry for the late reply down with flu.

Lovely analysis as usual. Have not read the other takes yet.

I feel each is thinking of their own goal or kartavya as such.

Daadi is focused on kartavya nistha of the panth. Which is all good as without values there would be no meaning in life but warriors are needed to go about that way of life peacefully. It is sad that she has understood Rudra's emotional pain but not felt for her son's difficulties. She is still not willing to believe that there could be any truth to Shivanand.

Shivanand is very worried about saving of the amrit, finding the garuds and making them one. That is indeed a tall order for him as except for himself and Tiwari the other garuds do not believe in the amrit ki raksha. Charles openly disbelieves that he is Garud. As for Rudra what to say about him. Shivanand has so much to do and yet he does not panic, is calm and yet determined.


( It feels like the Indian war of independence. Gandhiji with ahimsa on one side and Subashchandra Bose with his war tactics to get freedom at any cost on the other.)


Rudra is lost in his own pain and its like he has lost all sense of purpose. What is it going to take to shake him out of this cocoon of pain and ignorance he has wrapped himself in. As Shiva tries to explain to him and guide him his pain is foremost in his heart and mind.




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Posted: 10 years ago
#56

Thank you so much, my dear Shreya. But for discerning and appreciative readers like you and many others here, I would never be able to motivate myself to do these Sunday specials.

Then again, the material for analysis is very rich, because on top of a dense script, the supporting characters are so carefully sketched out and so superbly played.

My supplementary comments below are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: sp108

Very interesting analysis on what is indeed an unusual triangle. I loved the way you have analysed each character.

And as you rightly pointed out - Dadi is too obsessed with her Panth. And I have nothing more to add, because you have described her very well and accurately.

Someone described to me the word "swarth" - as "swa ka arth" - meaning of the Self. So to Daadi I would say, it is always good to be swaarthi - because there can be nothing greater than knowing the true meaning of the Self. Shiva knows the purpose of his life, of his Self. If that is selfishness, then so be it.

That anvaya is valid, my dear, but I am sure Daadi meant it in the conventional way, to lambast poor Shiva!

Shiva - You have described him very nicely . He has that "Shiva" kind of quality about him. Beyond everything, almost like nothing can touch him, or distract him or conquer him. I feel that the writers have given him the name with good reason. To get all the Garuda's on board, Shivanand will need to do a bit of Lord Krishna as well - me thinks.

I feel Shiva's wife may have an important role in shaping Rudra's realisation.

Yes, and I am waiting eagerly for her to resurface. Shruthi had an interesting idea, that when Thappadiya Mai tells Rudra that the very thing that made Maya leave would be the thing that brings her back to him, she means the loss of a mother. First Maimuyi, who was lost to Rudra because of Maya, even if unknowingly. Then Rudra's mother, who will now be restored to him by Maya. I feel sure her interpretation is correct.

The curious thing, as I noted earlier, and Shruthi too has flagged it on this thread, is that though Daadi casually informs Rudra that his mother was not in the ashram when the 'Veshes attacked it, and she did not know where she was now, he does not make the slightest move to try and trace her. And this is the same Rudra who tracked down Udiya Baba's wife as he lay dying, and brought her to him in time to ease his passing. What happened now. when his own mother is concerned?

Not just that, he does not pass on this info to his Baba either, who is thus left believing, courtesy Balivesh, that she was killed by the fire that raged thru their house during the attack. If he had had any idea of this, Shivanand would have left no stone unturned to locate her, with Sahadev's help

Rudra - He is eternally seeking affection and anchors. The few resemblances to Lord Shiva, is that like the Lord, Rudra was raised in the Smashaan and his anger can have devastating consequences (ok...not always the case with Maimui's bachwa). To me, Rudra is turning out be an anti-climax. I was clapping for him when he said "Kaasi ko bhasm kar doonga" and look at what we got. I was cheering for him when he told Dadi that he would take revenge, and look at what we got. Anti-climax thy name Rudra.

I agree with all this and the next para too, in toto. This Rudra could easily win an audition for the role of Devdas!

I strongly feel Rudra needs to grow up. He needs to find his sense of security within and not from other people. I do not mean to say that human relationships weaken one's self. In fact they provide a silent strength at all times. But if they are weakening the self, it is more because we ourselves are not strong enough. In fact he can learn a thing or two from Daadi. Look at how she is anything but self-pitying. In some ways Shiva too has inherited his mother's inherent strength of mind. Shiva too doesn't waste much time pitying himself. Strangely, even his Guru - Prof Rao, does not seem to drag Shiva into pitying mode.

Thapadiya Mai - How well you described her. She has the remarkable ability to see that which is not obvious. Is it because she knows a lot more than it seems, or is it her ability to read people well? Either way, Ketaki Dave has done a fantasic job with Thapadiya Mai. Inspite of spouting the "narak ke keede" line a zillion times, we take her words seriously.

Katherine - I loved Katherine, the Garud. She skilfully handled the goons, and then showed off her tattoo. Loved her re-introduction. But I still feel that she is Greyerson's mole. She needs to be in Rudra's good books rather than Balivesh's good books if she needs to deliver the Amrit to Greyerson. I think it would be interesting if she is aware that she is a Garud and also siding with Greyerson.

She is really Greyerson's mole in the Rudra camp at the moment, and she does not, I think, know that she is a garuda. But she will learn that, and also about the significance of being a garuda/ At that point, I feel that she will switch camps while ostensibly staying on with Greyerson, and will thus render crucial assistance to the garudas. For now, I am glad to have a Fearless Nadia to look at instead of an eternally weepy Maya!

Charles and Tiwari have a nice chemistry . Looking at the Garud Chinha positions, looks like the 7th Garud will have chattees ka aankhda with Thapadiya Mai . My sympathies with Shiva

Edited by sashashyam - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well, young ladies, I do not want us to be hauled up for being off topic, so here is a bit that is definitely on topic but ties in with your speculations as well.

Daadi asks Rudra to come to his Daadisa if and when he feels like unburdening himself. Now the
Sa suffix is used only in Rajasthan, so Daadi and her family must be Rajputs (not Rajvanshis! ).

Surely she could have been Jodha in her tenth last birth. Not Moti, for Daadi exudes an air of command effortlessly, so in her previous birth, she must surely have been a queen, nothing less!

Shyamala Aunty/Akka

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

The worst part is that these two self-sufficient ladies cloak their unreasonable behavior and short sightedness with such idealistic high sounding words.😡

Edited by sashashyam - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shyamal di, a quick note that long back there was an article which stated 'Maya to bring back Rudra's mother'. Hence many were able to quickly connect the dots. Releasing these articles, showing OLVs removes the surprise element from a show.
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No, my dear, they are both garudas. As Swetha has cleverly deduced, Thappadiya Mai goes out of the room where the others are, and so there are only Rudra, Charles and Katherine in the room when Shivanand's GPS (Garuda Positioning System) goes to work and spotlights 3 garudas at the Brahma Nisth Panth tent. Some accuracy that, far better than the American missile radars! 😉

Of course Katherine is what could be called a Dark Garuda for now, since one presumes she does not yet know that the elaborate sign on her lower back means something special. Also that Greyerson has not seen it, not even between a tank top and her jeans!😉

As and when she does get to learn all about that, she might turn, and become a garuda mole in the Greyerson camp. Right now, we had that ridiculous bit in the precap about Katharine apparently (I use the word, as it might well turn out to be a red herring or hoax, as is often the case) trying to stab Shivanand from the back. I thought Greyerson wanted him back under his control?

And the way in which she was sticking spycams into the straw of the roof and the walls was also very funny. They could fall out in a strong wind, or if a passing cow took a fancy to the straw and decided to brunch off it!😉

Rudra was a total washout today. Poor, poor Shivanand!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: SingaporeFan

Shyamalaji

Sorry for not responding earlier...but did read it late Sunday nite. It is indeed a strange triangle...very interesting relationship between Mother n son and a Rudra caught in between...guess they have argued their points of views 24 years earlier and realized that they stand on opposite sides...will be interesting to see if Daadi will come around eventually or hold her ground forever...

Really like Shivanand...he goes about his business with a single mindedness and calmly n respectfully deals with his Mom... No arguing or convincing...

Enjoying all th exists and turns...and if I understood correctly on Mon, either TM or Kat is a Garud, not both as Shiva could only see 3 in the tent...did not expect Kat to be evil...Phnwell will wait for your analysis next Sunday...

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Originally posted by: sashashyam

No, my dear, they are both garudas. As Swetha has cleverly deduced, Thappadiya Mai goes out of the room where the others are, and so there are only Rudra, Charles and Katherine in the room when Shivanand's GPS (Garuda Positioning System) goes to work and spotlights 3 garudas at the Brahma Nisth Panth tent. Some accuracy that, far better than the American missile radars! 😉

Of course Katherine is what could be called a Dark Garuda for now, since one presumes she does not yet know that the elaborate sign on her lower back means something special. Also that Greyerson has not seen it, not even between a tank top and her jeans!😉

As and when she does get to learn all about that, she might turn, and become a garuda mole in the Greyerson camp. Right now, we had that ridiculous bit in the precap about Katharine apparently (I use the word, as it might well turn out to be a red herring or hoax, as is often the case) trying to stab Shivanand from the back. I thought Greyerson wanted him back under his control?

And the way in which she was sticking spycams into the straw of the roof and the walls was also very funny. They could fall out in a strong wind, or if a passing cow took a fancy to the straw and decided to brunch off it!😉

Rudra was a total washout today. Poor, poor Shivanand!



Shyamala B.Cowsik


Shyamala di, your lines in red - too good

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