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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Harischandra wasn't an emperor I think was he?

Yudhishtir did have the aim to become an emperor and he was aiming for it, but till then he wasn't eligible for it being a king not a monarch so first step was Rajsuya. But then this Rajsuya brought under his suzarainty, so can't be sure why was this called Rajsuya

I haven’t read about Harishchandra

I guess Rajyasuya was a sacrifice practiced by an emperor, they did kill the emperor Jarasandh

Originally posted by: naq5

And no where does the above citation imply that krishna was speaking about arjuna in context of war only

i agree nor does arjun relation with krishna gets challenged if draupadi was important to krishna. the type of love he had for both was different and had its own space.

Of course he wasn’t talking in context of war, @HearMeRoar is pulling our leg, He says Arjuna is dearer to him than his kin, friends and wives, He says Arjuna is his half, Arjuna’s enemies are his enemies also he can’t see earth without Arjuna

These are not just words as he asked Daruka to be by his side the next day with his weapons so he could fight and help Arjuna in completion of his vow

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

No she was the girl with whom Krishna was exchanged. They never stayed together

We aren't sure of exact age difference between them

Krishna was exchanged? How and Why?

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

@ preet

I should clear it I dint said draupadi a charity but I said Krishna did so many charity marriages , ek aur kal li 2 kya farak parta Rukmini ko

Why I said charity marriage coz publicly arjun had won draupadi , if drupad refuse to her marriage with 5 Pandavas , then most probably pandavas would had left as vyas already cleared she would be wife to 5 , who ever win amoung Pandavas, this thing was not known to drupada or draupadi before swayamber .

If pandavas left if drupad refused 4 marriage with probably no one would had married draupadi , sama amba story , for saving draupadi from society krishna would have married her .

Krishna did had 16000 junior wives which he saved from narakasur

Ya to arjun ko har din demeaning words bole jaate hai .

Ye baat sabko pata forum ki arjun ko kitna demean kiya jata hai

this is the reason why krishna draupadi dint marry right. drupad wanted more out of draupadis alliance

because draupadi dint want to be just another wife of krishna. otherwise draupadi would have had peaceful life with krishna like the rest of his wives

maybe they agreed to polyandry because then it would give her queen status. with arjun it would just be a profitable alliance with yudi she could be queen. why the pandavas insisted for polyandry and planned for it before the swayamvar, they could have asked yudi to marry her. arjun wouldnt have protested much.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

No she was the girl with whom Krishna was exchanged. They never stayed together

We aren't sure of exact age difference between them

he was exchanged with yashoda's biological girl child right. that is what tv shows show.

who did the girl grow up with, she was given to vasudev right

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Krishna was exchanged? How and Why?

after his birth . that is what tv shows show

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Since their birth, Pritha’s28 sons spent their lives there, according to the prescribed norms. In accordance with
what is laid down in law, their two mothers29 conceived sons from

Dharma, Vayu, Shakra30 and the two gods, the Ashvins. They grew up under the care of their two mothers and in the society of holy sages, in sacred groves and forests. Then, on their own, the sages took them to the presence of Dhritarashtra and his sons. They were dressed as

brahmacharis31 and students, with sacred tufts in their hair. The sages said, “These students of ours are the sons of Pandu, your sons, brothers and friends.” Saying this, the sages left. On seeing the sons of Pandu who had thus been left with them, the Kouravas, the learned among the castes and the townspeople exclaimed loudly with joy. However, some said they were not the sons of Pandu. Others said they were. Others wondered how they could be the sons of Pandu when Pandu had died long ago. However, voices were heard from all directions saying that they were welcome nonetheless. Through great fortune, Pandu’s offspring could now be seen. They must be welcomed. Such voices were heard everywhere. When the tumult of the people had died down, an enormous outcry was heard from invisible beings and all the directions

echoed with the sound.

I think this explains why Pandu didn’t go back to Hastinapur when he had Yudi also why Pandavas are rarely called “Kurus”, People accepted them as son of Pandu but didn’t accept them as Kauravas

Originally posted by: naq5

this is the reason why krishna draupadi dint marry right. drupad wanted more out of draupadis alliance

because draupadi dint want to be just another wife of krishna. otherwise draupadi would have had peaceful life with krishna like the rest of his wives

maybe they agreed to polyandry because then it would give her queen status. with arjun it would just be a profitable alliance with yudi she could be queen. why the pandavas insisted for polyandry and planned for it before the swayamvar, they could have asked yudi to marry her. arjun wouldnt have protested much.

I just cleared my stand why I said charity marriage , now where in my entire previous post said draupadi as charity

Regarding drupad I don't know I only read he wanted arjun as son in law coz he defeated him , he wanted him as weapon against drona .

Drapaudi wouldn't have been just "another" wife of krishna even if he had 16 main wives instead of 8. Their relationship is very clear from their interaction. She was NEVER just "another" person for him.

It was vyasa who advised them for the panchal alliance. He suggested polyandry because he wanted yudhishtra to sit on throne and his brother to support him their unity was required this marriage provided them that. A mature intelligent woman that panchali was she handled it very well. Her marriage her responsibilities towards her state. It was not easy to run an entire empire. But she did it . And she did well.

Krishna wanted panchal kuru alliance to tackle jarasandh. There were two options yudi and dury Vyasa wanted yudhishtra and he held a lot of power. So i think krishna just went with him .

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I haven’t read about Harishchandra

I guess Rajyasuya was a sacrifice practiced by an emperor, they did kill the emperor Jarasandh

Rajsuya was definitely not practiced by Emperor. Shaptath Brahmana is clear on it. Its only Vajpaye or to some extent Ashwamedh.

They killed Jarasangh but didn't make his area their vassal. Nor did they defeat him in war. An imperial campaign would require killing/defeating the existing emperor in a war

They needed to kill Jarasangh for multiple reasons, firstly for Krishna, secondly Karna was an ally to Jarasangh and we know Karna was against Rajsuya, so assuming Jarasangh supported Karna's stand then they would have had issues. Defeating Karna in a war was possible defeating Jarasangh wasn't

Thirdly if actually Jarasangh was against Yudhishtir's campaign then so would be his vassals and allies (like Chedi, Madra, Salva etc.) and they wouldn't get requisite support as the required for their success

Lastly and most important although not with Rajsuya, but Ashwamedh or an imperial campaign was definitely their next planned step. With Jarasangh alive that wouldn't have been a possibility. Jarasangh would be more cautious about retaining his emperorship than he would have been in a Rajsuya