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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Pandu performed Digvijay, Pandavas performed Rajyusa Yagya and Ashwamedh Yagya, I don't think they performed Digvijay

There’s a “Digvijaya Parva” before Rajyasuya

The word digvijaya means the conquest of the directions, that is, the conquest of the world. This section is therefore about the conquest undertaken by the Pandavas.

Vaishampayana said, ‘Partha had obtained the supreme bow, the two inexhaustible quivers, the chariot, the flag and the sabha. He told Yudhishthira, “O king! I have the bow, weapons, arrows, valour, allies, land, fame and strength and whatever men desire and find difficult to obtain. O supreme among kings! I think we should act so as to extend our treasury. I wish to make other kings pay us tribute. On an auspicious day, moment and nakshatra, I will set out to conquer the region

protected by Dhanada.”1 On hearing Dhananjaya, Dharmaraja Yudhishthira replied in words that were soft and grave. “O bull among the Bharata lineage! Go, but only after brahmanas have uttered benedictions on you, so that our well-wishers may be delighted and our enemies immersed in grief. O Partha! Your victory is certain.

@Red That’s Haftavasuli Chillie was talking about, there’s a better word for it used in our region “Tagada” 🤣

Originally posted by: NoraSM

There’s a “Digvijaya Parva” before Rajyasuya

The word digvijaya means the conquest of the directions, that is, the conquest of the world. This section is therefore about the conquest undertaken by the Pandavas.

Vaishampayana said, ‘Partha had obtained the supreme bow, the two inexhaustible quivers, the chariot, the flag and the sabha. He told Yudhishthira, “O king! I have the bow, weapons, arrows, valour, allies, land, fame and strength and whatever men desire and find difficult to obtain. O supreme among kings! I think we should act so as to extend our treasury. I wish to make other kings pay us tribute. On an auspicious day, moment and nakshatra, I will set out to conquer the region

protected by Dhanada.”1 On hearing Dhananjaya, Dharmaraja Yudhishthira replied in words that were soft and grave. “O bull among the Bharata lineage! Go, but only after brahmanas have uttered benedictions on you, so that our well-wishers may be delighted and our enemies immersed in grief. O Partha! Your victory is certain.

@Red That’s Haftavasuli Chillie was talking about, there’s a better word for it used in our region “Tagada” 🤣

Ok so they did Digvijay Rajsuya as well Ashwamedh

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Which names?

In addition to Debroy sir's 10 volumes, there is Harivamsa online, Harivamsa CE in paperback, Vishnu Purana online.

I am not familiar with these names of kings and their relatives, You, Chilli and FP mention Like your post about Drona’s lineage and Angirasa etc

It is hard for me to keep up with the ongoing discussions most of the time, Especially between you and Chilli 🙆‍♀️ how do you keep track of all this?

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I am not familiar with these names of kings and their relatives, You, Chilli and FP mention Like your post about Drona’s lineage and Angirasa etc

It is hard for me to keep up with the ongoing discussions most of the time, Especially between you and Chilli 🙆‍♀️ how do you keep track of all this?

I make research notes. I think Chili just remembers😆. She's actually studied this stuff if I'm not mistaken.

I am getting more and more confused and I am only reading the first volume of CE that too installment me -

That supreme among eloquent ones assembled his advisers and

brothers and repeatedly asked them about rajasuya. Having been thus asked by the immensely wise Yudhishthira, who was eager to perform the sacrifice, the advisers then uttered words that were deep with meaning. “A consecrated king who wishes to achieve the characteristics of an emperor and attain the traits of Varuna, performs this rite, even though he is a king. O descendant of the Kuru lineage! You are worthy of the status of an emperor and all your well-wishers think that the time has come for you to perform rajasuya. The time for the sacrifice, in

which priests rigid in their vows establish six fires2 to the chants of

sama, is free and depends on kshatriya riches.3 At the completion of the sacrifice, after offering all the oblations, the performer is consecrated as a universal emperor. O mighty-armed one! All of us serve you and you are capable. O great king! Do not reflect any more and set your mind on the rajasuya.”

Rajyasuya gave A “King” the characteristics of an “Emperor”

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I am getting more and more confused and I am only reading the first volume of CE that too installment me -

That supreme among eloquent ones assembled his advisers and

brothers and repeatedly asked them about rajasuya. Having been thus asked by the immensely wise Yudhishthira, who was eager to perform the sacrifice, the advisers then uttered words that were deep with meaning. “A consecrated king who wishes to achieve the characteristics of an emperor and attain the traits of Varuna, performs this rite, even though he is a king. O descendant of the Kuru lineage! You are worthy of the status of an emperor and all your well-wishers think that the time has come for you to perform rajasuya. The time for the sacrifice, in

which priests rigid in their vows establish six fires2 to the chants of

sama, is free and depends on kshatriya riches.3 At the completion of the sacrifice, after offering all the oblations, the performer is consecrated as a universal emperor. O mighty-armed one! All of us serve you and you are capable. O great king! Do not reflect any more and set your mind on the rajasuya.”

Rajyasuya gave A “King” the characteristics of an “Emperor”

This is reiterated by Suyodhana after yajna. Yudhishtira has obtained suzerainty. No matter what they called it, he was the big boy on campus.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I am not familiar with these names of kings and their relatives, You, Chilli and FP mention Like your post about Drona’s lineage and Angirasa etc

It is hard for me to keep up with the ongoing discussions most of the time, Especially between you and Chilli 🙆‍♀️ how do you keep track of all this?

Both Chiilli and HearMeRoar have a detailed study of scriptures. Chiillii has actually the proper knowledge of Vedic n Classical Sansksrit so she doesn't depend much on translations

I am just student of them, with very little knowledge and have learnt a lot from both of them (reason for sticking with this Thread😉)

Anyhow I am reading Vishnu Puran and researching on ancient Indian prehistoric Indian clans, most understanding is from there.

Mahabharata can not be understood by reading Mahabharata alone is something I have understood after interacting with these two

Vaishampayana said, ‘O descendant of the Bharata lineage! Having heard the words of the rishi, Yudhishthira sighed and thinking about performing rajasuya, could find no peace. He had heard about the glory of the great-souled rajarshis and had learnt that they had attained the pure worlds through their deeds and sacrifices. In particular, he thought about rajarshi Harishchandra, who had performed the sacrifice, and thought about performing rajasuya.






Yudhishthira asked, “How can this great rajasuya, worthy of an emperor and one I wish to perform, be accomplished?” O lotus-eyed one! Having been thus asked by the king, they then spoke these words to Yudhishthira, the one with dharma in his soul. “O king! You are learned in the ways of dharma. You are worthy of performing the great sacrifice of rajasuya.” When the priests and sages uttered these words, his advisers and brothers applauded them.

These are from two different pages

What did Harishchandra do?

Looks like Rajyasuya was performed by emperors

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I am getting more and more confused and I am only reading the first volume of CE that too installment me -

That supreme among eloquent ones assembled his advisers and

brothers and repeatedly asked them about rajasuya. Having been thus asked by the immensely wise Yudhishthira, who was eager to perform the sacrifice, the advisers then uttered words that were deep with meaning. “A consecrated king who wishes to achieve the characteristics of an emperor and attain the traits of Varuna, performs this rite, even though he is a king. O descendant of the Kuru lineage! You are worthy of the status of an emperor and all your well-wishers think that the time has come for you to perform rajasuya. The time for the sacrifice, in

which priests rigid in their vows establish six fires2 to the chants of

sama, is free and depends on kshatriya riches.3 At the completion of the sacrifice, after offering all the oblations, the performer is consecrated as a universal emperor. O mighty-armed one! All of us serve you and you are capable. O great king! Do not reflect any more and set your mind on the rajasuya.”

Rajyasuya gave A “King” the characteristics of an “Emperor”

Actually here it means that now was the time for performing Rajsuya, since he had the characteristics of the Emperor, and he should aim to become one

Rajsuya had to be performed before they could venture for an imperial campaign because till then a subsidiary state (a king and not a monarch) could not go for an imperial campaign

The actual confusion is Suyodhan telling his dad that kings across the country has accepted his suzerainty. Why would they do so immediately after the Rajsuya although it was just a monarchy mission. It definitely indicates that Yudhishtir had become someone big after Rajsuya which Duryodhan envied

I want to check the actual Sanskrit word used there with meaning, there is some confusion here

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Both Chiilli and HearMeRoar have a detailed study of scriptures. Chiillii has actually the proper knowledge of Vedic n Classical Sansksrit so she doesn't depend much on translations

I am just student of them, with very little knowledge and have learnt a lot from both of them (reason for sticking with this Thread😉)

Anyhow I am reading Vishnu Puran and researching on ancient Indian prehistoric Indian clans, most understanding is from there.

Mahabharata can not be understood by reading Mahabharata alone is something I have understood after interacting with these two

Only if they had included this in Ancient History, We know so little about politics of that time.