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As someone once told me: Vyasa had too many editors, leading to absurd interpolations/subtractions.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Vaishampayana said, ‘O descendant of the Bharata lineage! Having heard the words of the rishi, Yudhishthira sighed and thinking about performing rajasuya, could find no peace. He had heard about the glory of the great-souled rajarshis and had learnt that they had attained the pure worlds through their deeds and sacrifices. In particular, he thought about rajarshi Harishchandra, who had performed the sacrifice, and thought about performing rajasuya.






Yudhishthira asked, “How can this great rajasuya, worthy of an emperor and one I wish to perform, be accomplished?” O lotus-eyed one! Having been thus asked by the king, they then spoke these words to Yudhishthira, the one with dharma in his soul. “O king! You are learned in the ways of dharma. You are worthy of performing the great sacrifice of rajasuya.” When the priests and sages uttered these words, his advisers and brothers applauded them.

These are from two different pages

What did Harishchandra do?

Looks like Rajyasuya was performed by emperors

Harischandra wasn't an emperor I think was he?

Yudhishtir did have the aim to become an emperor and he was aiming for it, but till then he wasn't eligible for it being a king not a monarch so first step was Rajsuya. But then this Rajsuya brought under his suzarainty, so can't be sure why was this called Rajsuya

I think I should read it completely, instead of skipping pages, to understand it

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

As someone once told me: Vyasa had too many editors, leading to absurd interpolations/subtractions.

There were too many Vyasas too

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Don’t want to involve in a tussle but I have noticed how every time Arjuna is belittled as someone not important In the epic or not important for Krishna, when Krishna himself said this -

Tomorrow, I will act so that Arjuna, Kunti’s son, can kill Jayadratha before the sun has set. My wives, my friends, my relatives and my kin are not dearer to me than Arjuna, Kunti’s son, is. O Daruka! Bereft of Arjuna, I will not be able to look at the world even for an instant.

Therefore, it shall not be that way.35 For Arjuna’s sake, I will slay the standard-bearers of the enemy, with their horses, chariots and elephants, with Karna and Suyodhana. In the great battle tomorrow, let the three worlds witness my valour. O Daruka! For Dhananjaya’s sake, I will show my valour

I will angrily bring them down in the battle. Tomorrow, the gods, the gandharvas, the pishachas, the serpents, the rakshasas and all the worlds will know me as Savyasachi’s well-wisher. He who hates him, hates me too. He who follows him, follows me too. Use your intelligence to comprehend that Arjuna is half of my body.


I don’t think any other relationship of Krishna be it his romantic relationship with Draupadi is challenged if Arjuna is important to Krishna.

And no where does the above citation imply that krishna was speaking about arjuna in context of war only

i agree nor does arjun relation with krishna gets challenged if draupadi was important to krishna. the type of love he had for both was different and had its own space.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

See I am not discussing on who was closer to Krishnaji-- Draupadi or Arjun

I don't think, things need to be so crystal clear. Both of them were close to Krishna. Arjun was his (using his by small h since not considering him divine here), best friend, cousin and brother in law. Draupadi was his deep affectionate, closest friend and going by HearMeRoar's Theory (which I find true) daughter of his foster mother.

None of them were charity cases just a deep bond love and respect

I guess I missed that charity comment, but since yesterday there has been repeated snide comments which I was trying to avoid.

Anyhow I wouldn't comment on this point anymore

Originally posted by: naq5

you mean daughter of yashoda? then krishna draupadi would have grown up together considering there was approx 7 year age gap between them and krishna left his foster parents when he was teenager

No she was the girl with whom Krishna was exchanged. They never stayed together

We aren't sure of exact age difference between them

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

No she was the girl with whom Krishna was exchanged. They never stayed together

We aren't sure of exact age difference between them

@ preet

I should clear it I dint said draupadi a charity but I said Krishna did so many charity marriages , ek aur kal li 2 kya farak parta Rukmini ko

Why I said charity marriage coz publicly arjun had won draupadi , if drupad refuse to her marriage with 5 Pandavas , then most probably pandavas would had left as vyas already cleared she would be wife to 5 , who ever win amoung Pandavas, this thing was not known to drupada or draupadi before swayamber .

If pandavas left if drupad refused 4 marriage with probably no one would had married draupadi , sama amba story , for saving draupadi from society krishna would have married her .

Krishna did had 16000 junior wives which he saved from narakasur

Ya to arjun ko har din demeaning words bole jaate hai .

Ye baat sabko pata forum ki arjun ko kitna demean kiya jata hai

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

@ preet

I should clear it I dint said draupadi a charity but I said Krishna did so many charity marriages , ek aur kal li 2 kya farak parta Rukmini ko

Why I said charity marriage coz publicly arjun had won draupadi , if drupad refuse to her marriage with 5 Pandavas , then most probably pandavas would had left as vyas already cleared she would be wife to 5 , who ever win amoung Pandavas, this thing was not known to drupada or draupadi before swayamber .

If pandavas left if drupad refused 4 marriage with probably no one would had draupadi , sama amba story , for saving draupadi from society krishna would have married her .

Ya to arjun ko har din demeaning words bole jaate hai

Ok got your point.

Coming to Arjun I never said anything wrong about him, I simply Said he wasn't the lead it was only Yudhishtir (and Suyodhan as the antagonist) even Draupadi is not so important as these both. It was neither undermining the efforts of Arjun or keeping him down, it's simply the fact of the book

I always say that I don't believe in Draupadi Krishna romantic love, but I feel despite being into a platonic relation both of them loved, respected and cared for each other more than they did for their respective spouses

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Ok got your point.

Coming to Arjun I never said anything wrong about him, I simply Said he wasn't the lead it was only Yudhishtir (and Suyodhan as the antagonist) even Draupadi is not so important as these both. It was neither undermining the efforts of Arjun or keeping him down, it's simply the fact of the book

I always say that I don't believe in Draupadi Krishna romantic love, but I feel despite being into a platonic relation both of them loved, respected and cared for each other more than they did for their respective spouses

I hate to say but yes I agree Yudi is most important , but it's true draupadi is 2 important coz she is heroine of mahabharat as she was definitely needed in d story .

No u definitely had not said anything wrong about arjun

( I should clear hate word maine Yudi ke liye use kiya hai )