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Krishna was working damned hard to keep his clan safe, but the Yadavas were an ungrateful lot.

Most of his decisions WERE based on that calculus, including whom he did and didn't marry.

If Ekanamsa was Panchali (as I explained elsewhere), she was part of that clan and willingly let herself be adopted and married into Kuru clan to protect the people she called her own.

While I think Krishna's friendship with Arjuna was definitely political in the beginning, it changed into a genuine affection afterward.

So yeah, Krishna was EXTREMELY political.

All that being said, i don;'t believe Krishna was a psychopath or a sociopath to arrange the slaughter of Panchalas and Upapandavas. Since Krishna clearly told Vyasa and Panadvas about it, the only 2 reasons I can think fo are 1) it was a conspiracy between ALL of them to kill off the people who died. It makes no sense because some were Pandavas' own sons. 2) Krishna's intel actually says Ashwatthama was planning to kill PANDAVAS. We assume Ashwatthama made a mistake. But in text, he actually is said to have known exactly who he was killing. So chances are that Pandavas/Krishna made a huge error in judgement on where the attack was coming.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Wasn't Rukmini the one who requested Krishna to marry him? Does any text suggest otherwise? I am not saying that Krishna loved Rukmini but at least the reverse was definitely true

Yes definitely Rukmini approched him , after that he proceeded with it.

Before Rukmini approach him , he asked rukmi 4 her but he insulted .

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I remember reading Draupadi calling herself “Sister of Prishata’s son”, I read today Prishata was Drona’s father

I am not able to find where Draupadi said that but I do remember she said it or it was said in her context

How is it possible?

Prishata was Drupada's father, not Drona's. Sort of like saying Kauravas instead of Dhartharashtras.

http://www.mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/hv_1_20.html

In the lineage of puru kings bR^ihat-kShatra... his son is suhotra,whose son is hasti... the city of hastina-pura is built by this king hasti...

King hasti begot threesons, namely aja-mIDha… king aja-mIDha begot a son named bR^ihad-iShu… bR^ihat-dhanu is the son of bR^ihay-iShu...

Then the line of princes is: bR^ihay-iShu satya-jit vishva-jit sena-jit; then sena-jit begotfour sons, namely: one of who was ruchira

Then the line of princes from ruchira forwardis: ruchira pR^ithu-sena pAra nIpa...

And this nIpa begothundred sons. From among those hundred sons of nIpa,the eldest one being the enricher of that dynasty is the king of kAmpilya kingdom, who is a true battler true to hisname, samara - be at daggers drawn...

King samara has threehighly righteous sons, one called para who begota son called pR^ithu, who begot a princecalled sukR^ita; then that sukR^ita begot a prince called vibhrAja; later vibhrAja begot aNuhu.This aNuhu is the coeval of my (Bheeshma’s)grandfather pratIpa...."

Then brahmadatta, thesagely king and the honourable soul of yoga is the son of king aNuhu

Brahmadatta's son is viShvaksena...

viShvaksena's son is daNDasena whose son is bhallATa.But, the son of bhallATa becameignominious... oh, yudhiShThira... he became the king of nIpa lineage, i.e., the king of kAmpilya,only for the holocaust of nIpa descendants -because he could not resist an invading king called ugra-Ayudha...because of the son of bhallATa, this ugra-Ayudha has annihilated all the nIpa descendants..

At that time myfather king shantanu breathed his last, and I wasundertaking pitR^i-medha, postfunerary rites, with utmost sincerity likedietaries and getting forty winks on bare ground etc... at such a time thisugra-Ayudha sent a messenger to me when I am surrounded by my ministers, whoconveyed a worst message to me...

Coming into myaudience, oh, king dharmaja, that messenger of ugra-Ayudha parroted these wordsof his sender: "oh, bhIShma, yield your glorious stepmother, a jewel amongwomen, as my makeshift-wife...

At thattime, vicitravIrya was just a boy and wholly dependant on me...

When bhIShma arrived,there occurred a brute war, which bhIShma terms as unmatta vatyuddhaM - a maniacal war, because divine power of discus has becomenon-functional.

A while laterking pR^iShata came back to throne of kAmpilya, viz.south pAnchAla, as he had to back away from his kingdom when hisgrandfather and the lord of nIpa-s is dead at the handof ugra-Ayudha, while that ugra-Ayudha, the then ruling kingof pAnchAla, is dead at my hand...

Thisking pR^iShata, the father of king drupada, ruled bothsouth pAnchAla with capital kAmpilya, as well as the northpAnchAla with capital Ahi-chChatraM, of course, with the carteblanche given by me.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Yes I remember that. And seems Duryodhan actually loved Lakshmana so he named his daughter after her

I guess lakshmana was won by him in swayamber , mrityvinda was abducted by him coz she was in love with him.

Both time he failed duryodhana plan of marriage🤣🤣

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Prishata was Drupada's father, not Drona's. Sort of like saying Kauravas instead of Dhartharashtras.

http://www.mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/hv_1_20.html

In the lineage of puru kings bR^ihat-kShatra... his son is suhotra,whose son is hasti... the city of hastina-pura is built by this king hasti...

King hasti begot threesons, namely aja-mIDha… king aja-mIDha begot a son named bR^ihad-iShu… bR^ihat-dhanu is the son of bR^ihay-iShu...

Then the line of princes is: bR^ihay-iShu satya-jit vishva-jit sena-jit; then sena-jit begotfour sons, namely: one of who was ruchira

Then the line of princes from ruchira forwardis: ruchira pR^ithu-sena pAra nIpa...

And this nIpa begothundred sons. From among those hundred sons of nIpa,the eldest one being the enricher of that dynasty is the king of kAmpilya kingdom, who is a true battler true to hisname, samara - be at daggers drawn...

King samara has threehighly righteous sons, one called para who begota son called pR^ithu, who begot a princecalled sukR^ita; then that sukR^ita begot a prince called vibhrAja; later vibhrAja begot aNuhu.This aNuhu is the coeval of my (Bheeshma’s)grandfather pratIpa...."

Then brahmadatta, thesagely king and the honourable soul of yoga is the son of king aNuhu

Brahmadatta's son is viShvaksena...

viShvaksena's son is daNDasena whose son is bhallATa.But, the son of bhallATa becameignominious... oh, yudhiShThira... he became the king of nIpa lineage, i.e., the king of kAmpilya,only for the holocaust of nIpa descendants -because he could not resist an invading king called ugra-Ayudha...because of the son of bhallATa, this ugra-Ayudha has annihilated all the nIpa descendants..

At that time myfather king shantanu breathed his last, and I wasundertaking pitR^i-medha, postfunerary rites, with utmost sincerity likedietaries and getting forty winks on bare ground etc... at such a time thisugra-Ayudha sent a messenger to me when I am surrounded by my ministers, whoconveyed a worst message to me...

Coming into myaudience, oh, king dharmaja, that messenger of ugra-Ayudha parroted these wordsof his sender: "oh, bhIShma, yield your glorious stepmother, a jewel amongwomen, as my makeshift-wife...

At thattime, vicitravIrya was just a boy and wholly dependant on me...

When bhIShma arrived,there occurred a brute war, which bhIShma terms as unmatta vatyuddhaM - a maniacal war, because divine power of discus has becomenon-functional.

A while laterking pR^iShata came back to throne of kAmpilya, viz.south pAnchAla, as he had to back away from his kingdom when hisgrandfather and the lord of nIpa-s is dead at the handof ugra-Ayudha, while that ugra-Ayudha, the then ruling kingof pAnchAla, is dead at my hand...

Thisking pR^iShata, the father of king drupada, ruled bothsouth pAnchAla with capital kAmpilya, as well as the northpAnchAla with capital Ahi-chChatraM, of course, with the carteblanche given by me.

Yes, It was a mistake

I meant Drupad only but the point is that Draupadi was called “Sister of Prishata’s son”

But Prishata’s son is Drupad

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

I guess lakshmana was won by him in swayamber , mrityvinda was abducted by him coz she was in love with him.

Both time he failed duryodhana plan of marriage🤣🤣

Yes I got interchanged both. Mritvinda was the one he abducted. Apologies

I meant Duryodhan loved Lakshamana truly, so he named his daughter Lakshmana

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Yes, It was a mistake

I meant Drupad only but the point is that Draupadi was called “Sister of Prishata’s son”

But Prishata’s son is Drupad

I think it's a different spelling in Sansksrit which matches in English like Vasudev (son of Shursena) and Vasudev (Krishna) have spelling in English although the latter should be Vaasudev

Prishata's son would be called Prishaata (to be more specific) but in English they use same spelling

@ Nora, if you want to complicate matters: 😆

Harivamsa says Ekanamsa (born on same day as krishna) was brought up similar to a boy in Mathura on Vasudeva's otrders. She carried out Krishna's mission for him.

Markandeya Samasya 505 (208)

Ekanamsa is daughter of Angirasa. Angiras is called Agni. Ekanamsa's given name is Kuhu. ie, new moon, because she was dark and I suppose because she was born on new moon day.

Nanda gopa and Yashoda are supposed to be avatars of Drona Vasu and Dhara 😆

ie Ekanama/Kuhu, the daughter of Nandagopa/Angirasa/Drona (who actually was an Angirasa), named new moon/Kuhu because of her complexion, carried out Krishna's mission for him.

This is where things get interesting: 😆 Drona is supposed to have had twins - boy and girl - he abandoned to marry Kripi because she was a princess. These twins were apparently adopted by Drupada. Now, this part I have no citation for as I was told this by someone who researches Puaranas.

But the entire thing is as good as a soap opera when you consider Drona then sits on his hands while Panchali gets assaulted. Dhrishtadyumna kills Drona with the help of a lie about his other son's death. Then, Ashwatthama kills all Panchalas. Then, Panchali takes away his jewel. I couldn't make this up in one of my stories if I tried.🤣

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Wasn't Rukmini the one who requested Krishna to marry him? Does any text suggest otherwise? I am not saying that Krishna loved Rukmini but at least the reverse was definitely true

\She hadn't met him. And no, I don't believe in never-seen love 😊. She may have had a celeb crush on Krishna. Plus, Shishupala was a known perv. 2 rapes, etc. So why not ask Krishna? He complied.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

@ Nora, if you want to complicate matters: 😆

Harivamsa says Ekanamsa (born on same day as krishna) was brought up similar to a boy in Mathura on Vasudeva's otrders. She carried out Krishna's mission for him.

Markandeya Samasya 505 (208)

Ekanamsa is daughter of Angirasa. Angiras is called Agni. Ekanamsa's given name is Kuhu. ie, new moon, because she was dark and I suppose because she was born on new moon day.

Nanda gopa and Yashoda are supposed to be avatars of Drona Vasu and Dhara 😆

ie Ekanama/Kuhu, the daughter of Nandagopa/Angirasa/Drona (who actually was an Angirasa), named new moon/Kuhu because of her complexion, carried out Krishna's mission for him.

This is where things get interesting: 😆 Drona is supposed to have had twins - boy and girl - he abandoned to marry Kripi because she was a princess. These twins were apparently adopted by Drupada. Now, this part I have no citation for as I was told this by someone who researches Puaranas.

But the entire thing is as good as a soap opera when you consider Drona then sits on his hands while Panchali gets assaulted. Dhrishtadyumna kills Drona with the help of a lie about his other son's death. Then, Ashwatthama kills all Panchalas. Then, Panchali takes away his jewel. I couldn't make this up in one of my stories if I tried.🤣

@bold she was born on the same day as Krishna, and Krishna was born on Ashtami not on a new moon day