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Sorry. that will be the last of my troll posts, I swear😆. Until I allow myself to be provoked again.

Originally posted by: naq5

aren't Nar & narayan supposed to take birth together always. That is what i read somewhere. And i think DKDM had a track on that too.

these divine angles dont add up properly every time.

BTW is geeta gyan by krishna to arjuna a later addition or it was always there originally if we see MB in non divine way

See definitely Mahabharata as in current form wasn't there since the beginning. It was 6000 shlokas (12000 verses) Which now has increased to 100000 shlokas like 16.5 times of its original size.

We can never be sure what exactly was in those 6000 shlokas, however it is expected that at least the first two chapters of Geeta was a part of Jaya as well, others might be later additions.

But divinity is a part of Mahabharata since inception most probably, I guess Janamejay himself would have propogated this idea to strengthen his right over the throne (like you know tujhe pata hai Mera dada kaun tha)

Although I don't remember exactly where, but I had read somewhere that during the war, Arjun asks for second reference to Geeta, when Krishna says he doesn't remember.

It seems Krishna wasn't giving him a speech from His understanding but was narrating him some widely appreciated philosophy

Can I introduce a new topic?

Indrasena -

Panchali's maid was called Indrasena. Yudhishtira's charioteer was called Indrasena.

In the Nalayani-Maudgalya story, Nalayani's given name was Indrasena.

What the heck is the connection?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

See definitely Mahabharata as in current form wasn't there since the beginning. It was 6000 shlokas (12000 verses) Which now has increased to 100000 shlokas like 16.5 times of its original size.

We can never be sure what exactly was in those 6000 shlokas, however it is expected that at least the first two chapters of Geeta was a part of Jaya as well, others might be later additions.

But divinity is a part of Mahabharata since inception most probably, I guess Janamejay himself would have propogated this idea to strengthen his right over the throne (like you know tujhe pata hai Mera dada kaun tha)

Although I don't remember exactly where, but I had read somewhere that during the war, Arjun asks for second reference to Geeta, when Krishna says he doesn't remember.

It seems Krishna wasn't giving him a speech from His understanding but was narrating him some widely appreciated philosophy

A lot of it was the Angirasa philosophy. Given that he was supposed to be Ghora's student, it makes sense.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

A lot of it was the Angirasa philosophy. Given that he was supposed to be Ghora's student, it makes sense.

But then shouldn't he remember it later too? Probably he had some notes on it handy since he anticipated Arjun would be afraid/reluctant to fight

Originally posted by: naq5

i have a question. According to the divine angle. Who is considered as Nar during Sri Ram avatar. considering Arjun-krishna are considered Nar -Narayan during krishnas avatar

Actually in Sri ram avtar , adi sheshnaag as Lakshman, sudarshan chakra as shatrugan & shank ( conch) as bharat took birth , lord Ram war became to personal 4 him as his wife was abducted by raavan , things were done by ram himself, so there nar is not needed only .

He already has 2 curses on him , he was curse by sage brigu 4 wife seperation & narada cursed him 4 taking help from vanar tribe. So things happened acc to that only

In Mahabharat nar arjun is active partner of narayan krishna & mahabharat is pandav kaurav story not Krishna , here narayan is mentor of nar , as well as friend . Nar is considered another form of Vishnu only

What about Nar and Narayan? Are they supposed to be always together

Anyhow now I wanted to discuss about Jamvanti!!! Was she the follower of the same totem as Jamvant from Mahabharata?

If we consider that Samb was actually Balram's son, did he attack Jamvanti as well? Krishna just accepted her as his wife

If it was Akroorji who had ran away with the Mani how did it end up with Jamvanti

Why didn't Satyabhama's father himself try to become the chief, if he had so much money definitely he would have got support.

I want to understand Yadav politics

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

What about Nar and Narayan? Are they supposed to be always together

Anyhow now I wanted to discuss about Jamvanti!!! Was she the follower of the same totem as Jamvant from Mahabharata?

If we consider that Samb was actually Balram's son, did he attack Jamvanti as well? Krishna just accepted her as his wife

If it was Akroorji who had ran away with the Mani how did it end up with Jamvanti

Why didn't Satyabhama's father himself try to become the chief, if he had so much money definitely he would have got support.

I want to understand Yadav politics

https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/0143425986/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i11

best source is Harivamsa CE

there is some in Vishnu Purana also

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vp/index.htm

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

See definitely Mahabharata as in current form wasn't there since the beginning. It was 6000 shlokas (12000 verses) Which now has increased to 100000 shlokas like 16.5 times of its original size.

We can never be sure what exactly was in those 6000 shlokas, however it is expected that at least the first two chapters of Geeta was a part of Jaya as well, others might be later additions.

But divinity is a part of Mahabharata since inception most probably, I guess Janamejay himself would have propogated this idea to strengthen his right over the throne (like you know tujhe pata hai Mera dada kaun tha)

Although I don't remember exactly where, but I had read somewhere that during the war, Arjun asks for second reference to Geeta, when Krishna says he doesn't remember.

It seems Krishna wasn't giving him a speech from His understanding but was narrating him some widely appreciated philosophy

If we remove divinity how will krishna taking virat swaroop can be justified ?

I think it is in Bhagavatham that Balram is explicitly called Lakshmana's father-in-law.

Plus, Balram's behavior with Samba.

And the fact that he was simply standing around at the cave entrance while Krishna was fighting with Jambavati. Also, remember Balram;'s assault on Yamuna.

Yeah, I do believe Jambavati was assualted by Balram, and Samba is the kid from that.

So Krishna basically married two women assaulted by his drunk older brother. He rescued one from his perv cousin, Shishupala. Had 2 arranged marriages. ie, a total of 5 were not love matches. Other 3 were swayamvaras.