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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Could you share this link?

This is from Mantra Parva 238 (13) BORI CE

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I think the part about Kshatriya killing is about Dhruti allowing game of dice not about Krishna, as people mentioned had no relationship with him, Vidur didn’t participate in the war

Killing and dice are not the same thing. Kshatriyas killing each other is the Kurukshetra war.

It says in spite if the presence of Vidura et al, Vasudeva made kshatriyas kill each other. Ie, the presence if a few good people was not enough to dissuade Krishna from war.

It's a recounting since killing didn't happen until 13 years later.

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Out of affection for his son, the blind king gave him permission to play the game of dice.

When Vasudeva heard this, he became very angry. Though he wasn’t pleased, he did nothing to stop the dispute and overlooked the fatal game and other unjust acts, as they increased in importance. In spite of Vidura, Bhishma, Drona and Kripa, the son of Sharadvata, he made the Kshatriyas kill each other in the great war that followed.

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The "he" in the para is Vasudeva.

One question re: Panchal brothers. Were their bodies ever found?

This is what Panchali says:

Krishna wept and addressed Pandava, together with his

brothers. “O king! It is through good fortune that you will now enjoy the entire earth. Following the

dharma of kshatriyas, you have offered your sons to Yama. O Partha! It is through good fortune that

you have obtained the entire earth and do not remember Subhadra’s son,

10 who was skilled and whose

gait was like that of a maddened elephant. While residing in Upaplavya, I heard that my brave sons

had been brought down, in accordance with dharma. It is good fortune that you do not remember this

with me. I have heard that they were slain while they were sleeping, by Drona’s son, who acted

wickedly. O Partha! That sorrow is tormenting me, as if I am in the midst of a fire. Drona’s son acted

in a wicked way. O Pandavas! Listen to me. If, in an encounter today, you do not exhibit your valour

and destroy him and his followers, and he remains alive in the encounter, I will resort to praya

11 here.

Drona’s son must be made to reap the fruits of his wicked deed.” Having spoken these words to

Pandava Dharmaraja Yudhishthira, the illustrious Krishna sat down there.

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She doesn't say a word about her brothers. Before or after they defeat Ashwatthama.

Originally posted by: naq5

well a person can have more than 1 important person in his life.

no body refutes the panchai krishna bond here . Arjun- krishna bond need not be refuted too.

Krishna choose panchalis side because she was right. She was wronged secondly. by her own husbands which included arjuna. But loving dosent see right or wrong. Inspite of all this krishna always said arjuna was most important to him whom he loved the most.. And this not in front of Arjun to impress him he had no profit confessing this in front of daruka. Arjun was the friend he needed in his life as @chilli mentioned.

I don't think krishna could have gone around saying the same lines for panchali it would have raised many eyesbrows . Already his wife satyabhama was picking fight with panchali after krishna promised to move sun and moon for her. And do everything for HER.

And you are right love does not need condition krishna and krishnaa relationship did not needed any condition they LOVED eachother that much is clear from the text. The word "love" has been used twice in their conversations. There was no "just because" in their relationship . The kind of companionship he provided her or she provided him nobody else in their life could.

And unlike her worthless husbands krishna actually deserved her.

Ok this is my last post on Krishna krishnaa relationship debate. Every person have different views on this relationship some think that it was platonic many including me think that they love eachother

Opinion are subjective. I am not trying to shove or weight down my someone. The problem arises when people deem your opinion as "rubbish" which i think is NOT right.

And for the last time people should stop putting down krishna and krishnaa s relationship. And stop using such condensing tone And snide remarks for panchali.

I think they were IN LOVE. And I Will STAND BY IT.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I don't think Drupad would have anywhere been interested in getting his daughter married to Krishna

Drupad was a proud king, his didn't even acknowledge Dronacharya as a friend, what makes you think he would have accepted Krishna who was called a coward (Ranchhor), usurper, murderer, enemy of the most powerful king of the region

He himself wasn't even a king and the system at his land was not monarchy but kind of republican system

I think drapaud would have relented had krishna defeated drona. See chilli said that krishna planned for panchali to marry arjuna so as to fullfilll drapaud s wish of having arjun as his SIL who can defeat drona. So that he can win panchal alliance for himself What i am trying to say is krishna could have easily defeated drona with drishtdyum s help and married panchali to gain panchal alliance. Arjuna was not required in the scenario.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Killing and dice are not the same thing. Kshatriyas killing each other is the Kurukshetra war.

It says in spite if the presence of Vidura et al, Vasudeva made kshatriyas kill each other. Ie, the presence if a few good people was not enough to dissuade Krishna from war.

It's a recounting since killing didn't happen until 13 years later.

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Out of affection for his son, the blind king gave him permission to play the game of dice.

When Vasudeva heard this, he became very angry. Though he wasn’t pleased, he did nothing to stop the dispute and overlooked the fatal game and other unjust acts, as they increased in importance. In spite of Vidura, Bhishma, Drona and Kripa, the son of Sharadvata, he made the Kshatriyas kill each other in the great war that followed.

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The "he" in the para is Vasudeva.

This quote is from summary in the Adi Parva, Section one, Anukramanika Parva, first volume of BORI CE, The war had ended in victory of Pandavas-

Out of affection for his son, the blind king gave him permission to play the game of dice. When Vasudeva heard this, he became very angry. Though he wasn’t pleased, he did nothing to stop the dispute and overlooked the fatal game and other unjust acts, as they increased in importance. In spite of Vidura, Bhishma, Drona and Kripa, the son of Sharadvata, he made the Kshatriyas kill each other in the great war that followed.

‘On hearing the news of the Pandava victory and knowing the vows taken by Duryodhana, Karna and Shakuni, Dhritarashtra thought for a while and then told Sanjaya: “O Sanjaya! Listen to all that I am about to say. You will then find that I am not worthy of contempt. You are learned in the sacred texts, intelligent, wise and respected for being wise. My inclinations were not for war, nor do I find pleasure in the destruction of my lineage. I have no special affinity towards my sons compared to the sons of Pandu. My own sons, following the wrong path, were upset with me because I was old and blind. I bore all that, because of my weak state and because of my love for my sons.

This one is much later after Dhruti’s words (I didnt read) -

Alas! I have heard that only ten people have survived this difficult war, three on our side and seven on the side of the Pandavas. In that

fearful war of Kshatriyas, eighteen armies78 have been slain. I see extended and extreme darkness all around me. Delusion overcomes me. O Suta! Consciousness is leaving me, my mind is delirious.”’

I still think Kshatriya killing bit is about Dhruti as he could have stopped the war, It was his decision of allowing the dice game which led to this and he has the long speech about how he was wrong. Krishna was just angry about Dice hall, he couldn’t stop it or didn’t try to stop it because Yudi had the same goal as Dury

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

In the vein of trolling and as far as jealousy of Krishna's wives goes: there is a story about how they demand to know from him why he hovers around Panchali. The answer is to die for if you're a shippper. Something about her every hair chanting his name.

TBH, I'm surprised and impressed at the self control of Mrs Krishnas in not murdering him after that answer

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Originally posted by: naq5

i agree with this.. there need not be romantic attraction in everything. and it is not that, only romantic involvement makes the relation deep. Platonic bonds can be equally deep like krishna draupadi was.

The person you quoted and "agreed" with was calling panchali "charity" for krishna so much for appreciating respecting for their platonic relationship. The above was nothing but a snide remark for panchali.

Originally posted by: Krishnapanchali

The person you quoted and "agreed" with was calling panchali "charity" for krishna so much for appreciating respecting for their platonic relationship. The above was nothing but a snide remark for panchali.

well there were snide remarks here about the importance or love for arjun also from krishnas side so im getting into none of this. Snide remarks have come from both side. you can quote the person who has called panchali charity . i have not

And i dont believe that krishna panchali relationship was so special only because they had romantic inclinations for each other. It can be special irrespective of that. Platonic soulmates also exist. As others have mentioned here MB had deep relations irrespective of bond of blood or romance. It is we who in this time because of our conditioning perceive it in that way.