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Originally posted by: vaikartana

After reading Jamy's post I too tend to give it a thought.The question Dhivya asked was if not cursed how did he forget his Brahmastra.But in the version I have read it is said that Karna did fire the Brahmastra which made Arjun faint and then he again tried to lift the wheel.So the curse dint seem to work.Is there anything like that in KMG or CE?

Originally posted by: dhivyakrish31

Are u sure that his kavach cover only his chest??? any citation for this?? i have this doubt because..one of our lovely karna hater spoke about this in fb..he said his kavach covers his whole body top to bottom..is that true

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

Karna has to answer Nature's calls right? 😆

Originally posted by: SayaneeH.Lecter

Hii karnalies .. If is creating huge problem to let me come in my Sasuraal .. I am fed up with IF's roz ka drama ufff

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Hai Sayanee. I've read somewhere IF is changing its layout. Don't know how much true it is.

Originally posted by: SayaneeH.Lecter

Well regarding the AT poll I don't have an answer .. Kunti had multiple chances .. she could say anytime if she wanted .. that woman just didn't want it to be revealed .. to her Karna was Only n Only a result of her "Sin" .. nothing else .. she tried to kill him but God saved him to have greater tragedies .. n this woman made sure that this man suffers so that her n her legitimate sons' STATUS remain "PERFECT" .. n saved the secret to have the best deal against it .. the deal of making the strongest oponent of Arjuna making weak .. that's it .. period

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I'd normally agree w/ you on this, being the #1 Kunti hater in all Brahmand, but your theory doesn't explain one thing - why did Kunti bother telling the Pandavas after the funerals about the fact that Karna was her son? There was no reason to - her 5 sons were alive, she had gotten rid of Karna, her secret was safe since Krishna, Vyasa, Narada or Bheeshma weren't gonna expose her. On top of everything, Karna's water rites were being done by his widows, so the Pandavas not doing it didn't mean squat. So where was the need to tell Yudhisthir anything?

If you say guilty conscience, I'd agree w/ you, but that would have to trump her sentiment about him being her sin, rather than her son.

I think a better explanation was that she was a coward, and only approached Karna as a last resort, since she knew that Nakul & Sahadev at least was sure to be killed had they come face to face w/ Karna. She knew that Arjun or Bhima could handle him, not sure about Yudhisthir.

Originally posted by: --MimiGupta--

HI guys..

Winter Is Coming.

I'm not quoting Game of Thrones but really Winter is Coming..

Just wanted to ask did Karna's Varma work as a sweater too???

In the original Vyasa, Karna only told Krishna to withhold his secret from the Pandavas: he said nothing about whether to reveal it or not after his death. So Kunti was under no threats there.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

In the original Vyasa, Karna only told Krishna to withhold his secret from the Pandavas: he said nothing about whether to reveal it or not after his death. So Kunti was under no threats there.

I don't see how she could have washed the sin, had she seen it that way. The only way would be Karna's death, and that was achieved. So she could have stayed shut and just watched everything happen, Yudhi become king and do the Ashwamedha, while she could have settled down finally w/ Draupadi & her other bahus, like Devika, Valandhara, Subhadra, et al.

I do think her conscience tortured her - although she had gotten this favor from Karna, she had to date given him nothing in return. Had she passed up this opportunity as well, that window would have closed. So she had her sons pay homage to him to at least start to atone for what she had done.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Jamy

• Bheeshma was an exception, rather than a rule. Parashurama loathed Kshatriyas, and almost went to war w/ Dasharathaduring Rama's return from Mithila w/ Sita. He made it clear to Karna that he didn't teach Kshatriyas. The only reason for making an exception of Devaratha was that Ganga herself approached him, and he couldn't turn her down, due to her connections to Mahadev
• Kavacha only protected Karna from divine weapons, while Kundalas guaranteed his immortality. But they didn't protect him from other things, like normal arrows, or insect bites, or things like that. He still had to take care of himself in that dept
• Shanti Parva has nothing about Sishupala - it has a reference where Karna defeated Jarasandha, who befriended him and gave him Champa & Malini
• Karna was Parashurama's disciple during the same time that Arjun did advanced training under Drona - following the capture of Drupada. This was b4 even the house of lac, whereas Karna lost his KK in late year 12 or 13 of the exile.

Bheeshma sounds special always.😆Thanks for the info. Here is the reference to Shishu from Shanti Parva, soon after Karna gets Brahmastra from P.Rama
"Narada said, 'Having thus obtained weapons from him of Bhrigu's race, Karna began to pass his days in great joy, in the company of Duryodhana, O bull of Bharata's race! Once on a time, O monarch, many kings repaired to a self-choice at the capital of Chitrangada, the ruler of the country of the Kalingas. The city, O Bharata, full of opulence, was known by the name of Rajapura. Hundreds of rulers repaired thither for obtaining the hand of the maiden. Hearing that diverse kings had assembled there, Duryodhana. also, on his golden car, proceeded thither, accompanied by Karna. When the festivities commenced in that self-choice, diverse rulers, O best of kings, came thither for the hand of the maiden. There were amongst them Sisupala and Jarasandha and Bhishmaka and Vakra, and Kapotaroman and Nila and Rukmi of steady prowess, and Sringa who was ruler of the kingdom females, and Asoka and Satadhanwan and the heroic ruler of the Bhojas.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

We discussed this in some past ATs. The weapon that Karna had approached Parashurama for was the Brahmashira, not the Brahmastra. The Brahmastra seems to have been a pretty common weapon - even Yudhisthir & Drona used it against each other in battle. When his wheel had sunk, Karna tried to invoke that weapon so that he could kill Arjun, and thatwas what he forgot at the moment.

Parashurama's parting blessing was more a result of his hatred of Kshatriyas, since he specifically told Karna that no Kshatriya would equal him in battle. Since in the war, both Drona & Ashwatthama killed a lot more Pandava/Panchala warriors than Karna did. However, it leaves the question - how was Bheeshma then a superior warrior to Karna? Just b'cos he had defeated Parashurama?

That blessing doesn't explain how Bhima subdued Karna during the Rajasuya yagna: that should have been impossible, right, unless Drona, Kripa or Ashwatthama went to war against him?

@bold- I'm also having a doubt there. But the references in Shanti parva only tells Brahmastra, not Brahmashiras. Also in the war, I don't remember Karna tried to use Brahmashiras. Here is the Shanti Parva reference.
Beholding that Dhananjaya was superior to every one in the science of weapons, Karna. one day approached Drona in private and said these words unto him, 'I desire to be acquainted with the Brahma weapon, with all its mantras and the power of withdrawing it, for I desire to fight Arjuna.
vidyaadhikam athaalakshya dhanurvede dhanamjayam| dronam rahasy upaagamya karno vacanam abraveet|| brahmaastram vettum icchaami sa rahasyanivartanam| arjunena samo yuddhe bhaveyam iti me mati:||
I know there is one more narration to this story. But don't know where it comes. So having no idea which weapon is mentioned here.
I was reading an article yesterday on divine weapons. It was written in that Karna had knowledge of all the three highest weapons- Brahmastra, Brahmashiras & Brahmadandam! Sounded unbelievable. Is that true?
P.Rama's blessing seems to be very confusing to me. Based on Shanti Parva narration & Karna Parva narration, I think that the curse part is a later addition. So I think chances exist we are missing original words of P.Rama!😔